Alternatives for VideoReDo TV Suite with Test Results

[Marayong]

If you can reinstall VRD pro on top of your existing install AND KEEP it licenced, that may also be an option in case a VRD file or setting has become corrupted. Don;t uninstall VRD, just re-install it. If that fails, uninstall, reboot and reinstall and then re-register VRD Pro ... this of course is not an option if the pro registration server is offline.

[Bridgy]

Nah, i am not going to do anything like re-installing VRD even over the top of the existing installation, that is just too risky, but i know that the Pro activation server is still operating because if it was not, then i would have lost use of my VRD by now, as VRD dials home to the server to check that it is still running on the same machine (hardware) that it was previously activated on, it works in a similar way to how it works in Windows.

When i bought this Metabox Laptop back in 2020 i had my VRD Pro activated on Dell All in One Desktop computer (like an iMac) and i had to get Dan to send me a new activation code so i could re-activate it on the new Laptop, but i had to uninstall VRD from the Dell machine first.

This issue with the LargeBufferMalloc error is caused by something within VRD triggering off an event that causes this problem, and it just may turn out to be a temporary Memory Leak somewhere, as i do now recall Dan explaining this issue to me a few years ago when we started working with HEVC Files, and i do recall him mention a memory leak of some kind, but after several attempts to fix it, the issue just seemed to go away, so we assumed that it was fixed.

So here we are now, after several years of not getting this Error, a few days ago it decided to return to haunt me again, which i explained in Post 209 on the previous page.

Ironically, last night i was playing around with one of my S21 files that i have been trying to add a simple Title to, so i imported that file into the VRD Joiner without the need to make any Cuts, and the dam thing worked, the file exported perfectly, and it played back without any issues.

I got up this morning and decided to try Adding Titles to a 4k/60p HEVC file from my S24 Ultra (the Bridge video) and now VRD is working again with Adding Titles in 2 out of the 3 scenarios that it was working with prior to getting this stupid LargeBufferMalloc error a few days ago, so this was clearly a case of this intermittent or temporary issue being triggered in VRD again, but has now decided to go away, so as of right now, i am again able to Add Titles again in the following scenarios, which i recorded using my Bandicam screen recorder and uploaded to my Youtube channel.

1: I imported the 4k/60p HEVC File into VRD, no Cuts were made, i add the Title, and it Exports and plays perfectly.

https://youtu.be/CD0qMT3TAow

2: This same File then had 3 Cuts made using VRD, and Smart Rendered without a Title, and it played perfectly, so i imported this back into VRD and a Title was created at the start, but the Smart Render export FAILED a few moments after the export started, the file did not play.

This method of adding a title to any 4k HEVC File has always been an issue for me.

https://youtu.be/EHYto9OWC0w

3: This File was originally Cut and Smart Rendered using LosslessCut, so i imported this File into the VRD Joiner List, i create a Title at the start and Smart Rendered it, and the File exported and plays perfectly.

This method of adding a Title to these 4k HEVC files has always worked ever since i started using LosslessCut to do my File Cutting.

https://youtu.be/drvFQGiM3ss

[Marayong]

If VRD has only given that error message sporadically like you said, then it sounds more like a "binary issue", that is an issue that requires two (or more) things in order to occur. That the error appeared some years ago and then vanished before reappearing a few days ago before vanishing again says that VRD is either not the only culprit or is in deed not the culprit at all. In the former case one would presume there is a bug in VRD but that it requires something else to trigger it, a windows or driver update, something uniquely different with the files you are trying to work on or a clash with other software you happen to be running at the same time. If it's not VRD at all then an intermittent issue like that screams out that you could have a hardware issue, either RAM or GPU. The concern is that if the recent issue is solely due to a bug in VRD, then why didn't it appear over the past few years and why isn't it a problem today? Keep in mind the old computer rule - intermittent issues are usually hardware related.

[Bridgy]

Firstly, i need to point out that when this LargeBufferMalloc error originally started in VRD several years ago it was when i began trying to add titles to my 4k HEVC files recorded with my GoPro Black camera (recorded in 4k/60p HEVC @ 80Mbps) and it was when i had my Dell AIO Desktop computer, so i am ruling out any hardware or driver related issues because this has happened on 2 different machines, and with a break of several years between.

I have had issues adding Titles to my various 4k/60p HEVC files along the way, but i was not getting this particular LargeBufferMalloc: no more memory error when VRD crashed, usually VRD would just close on my screen like it does when i try to add a title to a file that was previously cut with VRD.

I am very confident that this is an issue caused entirely by or within VRD (possibly causing a memory leak as suggested by Dan) and i only say this because it appeared 5 or more years ago and then vanished, and it has raised it's head again for 2 days and gone again, but why it happens god only knows.

Also, i don't run any other software on my laptop when using VRD or editing.

I know that you have not looked at the 3 videos in youtube that i posted in my previous post, but if you had, you will see my Rainmeter tool running at the top of the recorded file, it shows my CPU, Memory, and SWAP Usage during my testing, in each case my SWAP Usage never went past 59%, but when i was getting that LargeBufferMalloc error my SWAP Usage would be at precisely 61% then crash with that error.

I guess that nobody else has had this Error because they have not tried adding a Title to files like mine, so i just have to deal with it, if it re-appears again then i will just have to wait it out and try repeating it until it goes away again.

Case Closed

[Marayong]

No worries .. just trying to rule out all the other possibilities since you might be able to deal with those but if it is a VRD bug you are stuck .. unless you can get an answer on the reddit forum. Still, there’s at least one other common feature between your current and old laptops .. both running Windows. And when you say you have no other software running ... there's always plenty of other software running behind the scenes - even if there're no files/tabs/windows/etc open, you'll still have things like edge, your browser of choice (which may or may not also be edge), your default pdf viewer, 7zip (or whatever dezipper you use) and much more. All of the things they used to call "terminate and stay resident" .. TSRs. I was thinking more of those potentially causing issues than anything open in a window. One of the issues that arose when I got my new pc (which was built on an image of my previous Win7 machine & then upgraded to Win10) was a little file explorer addon which allowed me to see mkv thumbnails in Win7 folders (mkv thumbnails not being supported in Win7). In Win10 that addon caused file explorer to periodically crash. I removed the addon (which wasn't needed since win10 supports mkv thumbnails) and those crashes stopped.

[Bridgy]

Yep it could be any number of things you mention, but i am ruling all of them out right now because i had this issue on 2 completely different machines 4 years apart, the Dell was running Win 7 Pro, my laptop is running Win 10 Pro, latest build.

I am not going to pose this question to anyone in the Reddit forum, i hate that place, and i don't think that there would be anyone over there who uses VRD in the same way that i do, so i just need to hope that this LargeBufferMalloc issue does not appear too often, or appear when i really need to get Titles done.

Also, strange why it has only ever appeared when adding Titles.

[Marayong]

It could be a bug in the titles feature since it only occurs when you do that. I've never done titles, so can't help there.

As for reddit .. yeah, it's not a great place, even worse now that it's been bought. I only use it to post tech queries and because I don't use it like a social media site (which the new owners are pushing) by spending hours and hours browsing the forums and liking heaps and heaps of stuff I apparently have "very low karma", which means whenever I want to create a new thread, it has to be approved by a human "elevated moderator" .. assuming a human ever sees it since all but elevated moderation on reddit is now in the hands of AI. Evidently it rarely gets into the hands of a human moderator. Not that reddit is unique, most forums these days have bots for moderators. The stories I could tell of stupid AI bots ... Gahhh.....

[Bridgy]

I am a member of at least 20 forums of various kinds, most operate exactly the same way that this forum does, where there are real members used as moderators, so i have never seen Bot moderators before.

The only Forum that is completely different than the others that i am on is Trip Advisor, which is owned by a bunch of older thinking fogies who have some rather wierd and strange rules, and one of them allows any member to Report another members Post as being inappropriate, or something else, and that post will be removed automatically, and replaced with an auto generated default message telling the everyone that the post was deemed inappropriate by the Community which is not right, it was only deemed inappropriate by one member, and if you want your post re-instated or checked, you need to send the forum support team a message to ask them to review the post and re-instate it if it did meet their posting guidelines.

I had so many of my Posts reported as inappropriate, and had them re-instated after a review, these were initially reported by another member who didn't seem to like me.

Anyway, i am no longer part of that old and antiquated forum.

[Bridgy]

Hi again, i just recorded 2 identical Sample videos using my new S24 Ultra AND my Wife's new iPhone 16 base model, just to show you how these 2 phones record their video straight out of the box using Auto mode.

S24 Ultra = 4k/60p HEVC MP4 @ 60.0Mbps

https://youtu.be/LQZgQjd4kps

iPhone 16 = 4k/60p HEVC MOV @ 53.0Mbps

https://youtu.be/mMUBQbJIbaM

I had to convert the iPhone file from MOV to MP4 in Handbrake (used CRF17) because VRD Crashed (closed) several times when i tried to add the title, as soon as i changed it to MP4 then VRD worked fine, just as it did adding the Title to my S24 File.

No cuts were made in these Video files before adding the Titles.

Now, i was shocked at how bad the iPhone video looked after i recorded it, but if this is how it is meant to look in Auto mode without altering any of the settings, then it certainly needs to have a few of the video settings changed somewhere, because this video should never look like this, not even straight out of the box.

The S24 Ultra video settings it is preset to Auto mode, i just had to select 4k/60p HEVC in Normal Bitrate (61.0Mbps) for my recording preference, as opposed to High Bitrate which is 144.0Mbps.

EDIT: When i changed the iPhone MOV file to MP4 i set the CRF to 17 and it was fully recoded, but then i realized that i could simply change it by opening the folder where the MOV file was, go to top of Explorer and enable File Name Extensions BUT is that a better option than doing it with Handbrake, or LosslessCut.

The Handbrake recode shows the file in MediaInfo as M-PEG4 (Media Base) but if i just change the MOV extension to MP4 the file shows up in MediaInfo as M-PEG4 (QuickTime)

[codemaster]

I had to convert the iPhone file from MOV to MP4 in Handbrake (used CRF17) because VRD Crashed (closed) several times when i tried to add the title, as soon as i changed it to MP4 then VRD worked fine, just as it did adding the Title to my S24 File.

But why convert MOV to MP4 with Handbrake? Isn't it enough to losslessly remux MOV to MP4 with LosslessCut?

[Bridgy]

]But why convert MOV to MP4 with Handbrake? Isn't it enough to losslessly remux MOV to MP4 with LosslessCut?

You beat me to it, see my EDIT in my previous Post.

I was going to ask later on if there was a way to change from MOV to MP4 in LosslessCut, even if i don't need to Cut bits from the file before exporting it, as i am not yet familiar with any other aspects of LosslessCut.

EDIT: so i imported the iPhone MOV file into LosslessCut, and selected to export to MP4 but it gave me the Error in image 2 below, or am i doing it wrong.


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[jagabo]

MOV and MP4 are the same container. But Apple only allows certain codecs to be used in MP4. MOV allow many others. For example, ProRes is allowed in MOV but not MP4.

[Bridgy]

MOV and MP4 are the same container. But Apple only allows certain codecs to be used in MP4. MOV allow many others. For example, ProRes is allowed in MOV but not MP4.

I had a feeling they were very similar at least, but was not sure how.

So LosslessCut will not change the MOV to MP4 so why would that be.

[jagabo]

So LosslessCut will not change the MOV to MP4 so why would that be.

It told you why.

[codemaster]

So LosslessCut will not change the MOV to MP4 so why would that be.

Probably audio in MOV is not supported by MP4. You can try MKV (matroska) instead of MP4.

[jagabo]

For example, MP4 doesn't support uncompressed PCM audio.

[Bridgy]

Probably audio in MOV is not supported by MP4. You can try MKV (matroska) instead of MP4.

Just tried MKV, i got the same Error as i did with the MP4 Export.

MediaInfo for the iPhone MOV and my S24 Ultra MP4 Files are below.

Seems like the iPhone has 2 Audio streams ? i wonder if there is a way to stop this in the phone video settings.

When i recoded the MOPV to MP4 in Handbrake the 2nd Audio stream was removed.


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[Bridgy]

I just found a reference to the Spacial Audio that might be causing this, i will go into the iPhone video settings and disable it.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255785732?sortBy=rank

Ok so the iPhone has Spacial Sound set by Default, so i changed it to Stereo and recorded another 30 second test video, and the 2nd Audio stream has now gone, and while i was in the camera settings, i noted that they also set HDR mode on by default too, which is stupid, HDR with every phone camera that i have used makes the video look like crap, and that is why the iPhone video that i recorded the other day looked washed out, now it looks normal.

Also, MediaInfo shows the video at 59.940fps not 60fps like it originally showed before changing these settings.



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Also, i just imported the MOV file into LosslessCut and changed it to MP4 and it worked, took a few seconds to complete.


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[jagabo]

hevc and aac are acceptable in MP4. I don't know about apac.

[codemaster]

The apac audio stream can be disabled (removed) in LosslessCut, so that the hevc and aac streams can be muxed to MP4 successfully.

[Bridgy]

hevc and aac are acceptable in MP4. I don't know about apac.

Yes HEVC and AAC is, but i never heard of APAC, so that was definitely the culprit.

I needed to sort this MOV business out because if i end up buying the new GoPro 13 Black camera, it records HEVC in MOV container, and seemingly VRD still has issues adding Titles to MOV files, as i found out yesterday.

I just need to make sure that the GoPro only records 1 audio track (AAC) so if i need to run the MOV files from that thru LosslessCut, at least i know it will work.

Still looking into the new Insta360 Ace Pro II, it records video in MP4.
https://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-ace-pro2

Also, i hate these iPhone 16 phones, and Apple should be shot for making them so difficult to navigate, and also for enabling Spacial Audio and HDR recording mode by default, so i am curious as to what other strange settings they have also set by default, forcing people to have to change them.

Everything works so much better and easier in the S24 Ultra, well that applies to most non Apple phones too.

[Bridgy]

Looks like the MOD has closed the other VRD Alternative Thread, i guess it might be ok for reference material.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/407142-VideoReDo-owner-passed-away-product-ceased-...g-alternatives

Feel free to continue the chat in here i guess.

[Marayong]

It's still showing up as open to me.

[Bridgy]

It's still showing up as open to me.

It is still open because one Mod was going to close it, then Baldrick came in at the top of the last page and said it will be kept open, but moved to the Editing forum instead.

So Alwyn came into that thread, like he has done before, telling (more like demanding) that it be closed because he is sick of me Rabbiting on about VRD and how it supports HEVC or some other crap to that effect, and he clearly doesn't like all the other stuff being posted either because HE thinks it is OFF TOPIC.

I told Alwyn to go and report the thread to the mods and let them deal with it, so far it is till open, personally i am done with it, i no longer want nor need to look any further as i have my own backup plan, but VRD will be my go to tool for everything that i need except for when i need to do several cuts in a file that just takes too long to do in VRD because of the known Lag issue with playback and when seeking for cut points in the timeline, for Cutting multiple parts from my files i will use LosslessCut.

I will start using VRD again for my exports to other formats now that i know that it now uses the x264/x265 encoders, Handbrake will be my backup.

People are free to continue posting whatever they like in this thread, i just won't be doing any more testing or offering any more options because i mostly felt like i was basically wasting my time.

As i mentioned in my last post in the other Thread, if anyone wants any help or advice about VRD then they are free to ask me, and i will help the best way that i can, as i feel that i probably now a lot more about the inner working of VRD and it's features than a lot of other users, those who are looking for user guides or tutorial videos about using VRD i say good luck, because i felt a bit let down about the lack of support and user guides back in the day, so i took the time to learn most of it all by testing VRD to figure it all out, with the help of Dan Rosen from time to time.

[Marayong]

I for one very much appreciate all the effort and time you spent looking at the potential alternatives. The link from the videohelp page on VRD describes (and always has) the other thread as "More information about VideoReDo TVSuite", with a secondary description of "Manual activation for Videoredo here". The former at least would justify any discussion about VRD & using it, no matter the subject .. but I'm not a moderator, so what would I know?

[Bridgy]

As far as i am concerned, i no longer need to look for any alternatives, i have my backup plan in place should i ever lose my VRD Pro, so i won't be adding any more information to this Thread, others can add what they like, however i suspect that there may be other Forums such as Reddit that already have Topocs relating to VRD, but i won't be going to Reddit because it is a dumphole, and the way in which it works is intolerable.

A forum should be set up exactly like this one, it is easy to navigate, it has a variety of Topics and categories to choose from, and compared to many other forums (not eyeballing Whirlpool) the Moderators seem to do a pretty good job, and i always applaud Mods when i feel happy with the way that a Forum is being run.

Might think about creating a dedicated VRD Thread dedicated to helping VRD users with any advice or help that they may need, and i for one am in a very good position to help with this because i have a very good understanding of VRD and it's plethora of built in features, one, or maybe some of which are not available in any other video editing software.

Cheers everyone

[hydra3333]

I for one very much appreciate all the effort and time you spent looking at the potential alternatives.

Me too. I followed the threads with interest.

Of most interest to me, you appeared to confirm my rambling checking that a QSF equivalent is not to be found elsewhere Ffmpeg has something to omit/ignore erroneous sections, but not like QSF's "fixing". TS-doctor says it has it, but no not really not anywhere near QSF. Oh well.
Cheers

[Bridgy]

Me too. I followed the threads with interest.

Of most interest to me, you appeared to confirm my rambling checking that a QSF equivalent is not to be found elsewhere Ffmpeg has something to omit/ignore erroneous sections, but not like QSF's "fixing". TS-doctor says it has it, but no not really not anywhere near QSF. Oh well.
Cheers

Hi m8, if you want to mention anything regarding the QSF feature in VRD please do so as well over in the new VRD thread if you think it might be relevant.

Cheers

[asperi]

Hi! Anyone know of a tool like VRD that we can do simple edits/ transcode with and it will still keep the 608/708 closed captions? Thanks!

[Bridgy]

Hi! Anyone know of a tool like VRD that we can do simple edits/ transcode with and it will still keep the 608/708 closed captions? Thanks!

Hi, i am not aware of this but maybe someone else will see your post and add a reply, things have been pretty quiet lately in these VRD Threads, especially this one as i think we have probably concluded that there is no other tool out there that mirrors everything that VRD can do inside the one program.

Some tools can do some of the features, so it is more a case of having to use 2 different tools to get the same results, however there are some features in VRD that other tools might be able to do, but nowhere near as well as VRD can do it.

You could post this up over in my other General Discussion thread too if you like.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/417438-VideoReDo-TVSuite-Professional-General-Disc...n-Thread/page3