AmarecTv error. Cant get pinnacle usb 710 to work

[Gary34]

Use Hoffman’s installer. https://github.com/hofmand/video-codec-installers Download the original 32 bit version.

It we’ll keep you from downloading the multithread version or the hacked CNESpatch version.

[lollo]

Noise is more retained on a lossless codec; it is badly managed by mpeg2, sometimes creating macroblocks.

HuffYUV is a lossless codec, you can install by yourself or using something like this: https://github.com/hofmand/video-codec-installers.

Once installed, can be used in AmarecTV or VirtualDub.

[Thermaltake]

I get it. Thanks!


So I need to install 32bit 2.1.1 version not x64 one if I get it correctly ?

And can I use latest Amarectv and VirtualDub or version of VirtualDub that LS recommend ?

[Gary34]

You can install them both. Virtualdub 1.19 is a 32 bit so you have to use the 32 bit version for capture. You might edit in Avisynth 64 bit plus and for that you would need the 64 bit version of Huffy. You might use Hybrid instead of that. You could just do the 32 bit version for now.

[Thermaltake]

I installed HuffYUV but there is no HuffYUV on the list under video - compression

[Gary34]

Lossy codecs will throw out noise along with other information that you need for editing. Lossless will be the same amount of information once it is decoded as before it was encoded. Noise doesn’t compress well either in video or audio. Lossy codecs compress using temporal compression and they are looking for redundancies across multiple frames. Noise isn’t redundant. It’s better to go lossless and use hybrid or Avisynth to clean the file up before using a lossy delivery codec.

If you are using Virtualdub 1.9.11 and you installed the 32 bit version of Huffy it should work. You can install the 64 bit version also.

[Thermaltake]

Lossy codecs will throw out noise along with other information that you need for editing. Lossless will be the same amount of information once it is decoded as before it was encoded. Noise doesn’t compress well either in video or audio. Lossy codecs compress temporarily and they are looking for redundancies across multiple frames. Noise isn’t redundant. It’s better to go lossless and use hybrid or Avisynth to clean the file up before using a lossy delivery codec.

If you are using Virtualdub 1.9.11 and you installed the 32 bit version of Huffy it should work. You can install the 64 bit version also.

Thanks for detailed explanation.

Yes I am using 1.9.11 that LS recommend, and I downloaded 32 bit left click install on .inf file right ? And I don't see it under compression in VirtualDub.

[Gary34]

https://github.com/hofmand/video-codec-installers

There’re instructions


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[Alwyn]

My HUFF 101 Install guide here.

[Thermaltake]

Thanks! It's working now. Didn't see text under on that like I just hit download on that green thing, my mistake.

https://i.imgur.com/XTny0ej.jpeg

A questions

1. Do I need to touch deinterlacing in options in amarectv or I leave it to auto and then deinterlace later when I edit video ?

2. I get video stutter in VirtualDub in preview mode and in overlay mode same thing. Any idea ?

https://imgur.com/a/TzqMHGU

[Alwyn]

1. Do I need to touch deinterlacing in options in amarectv or I leave it to auto and then deinterlace later when I edit video ?

Put Deinterlacing on to "Not use" [Graph2(preview) tab], then deinterlace after capture.

[Gary34]

I am having a different experience than the people in this thread. With my TBC in the workflow I have no current error and no vertical jitter no dropped or inserted frames in windows 10 and 7. My tapes are all EP except one. Some tapes from the 70s. A lot of VHS-C. I’ve never used a DVD recorder as a pass through.

Your Vdub lag problem could be from the eBay card, timing settings, or if you are capturing to your OS drive. With the timing settings make sure you click for it not to resync audio.

[Thermaltake]

I am having a different experience than some of the people in this thread. With my TBC in the workflow I have no current error and no vertical jitter no dropped or inserted frames in windows 10 and 7. My tapes are all EP except one. Some tapes from the 70s. A lot of VHS-C. I’ve never used one of those DVD recorders.

Your Vdub lag problem could be from the eBay card, timing settings, or if you are capturing to tour OS drive. With the timing settings make sure you click for it not to resync audio.

But in OBS, amarectv and in it's own software there is no lag, only in vdub.

[lollo]

Is the VirtualDub capture ok? If yes, it could just be a "preview" mode problem.

[Gary34]

The reason that the OP was wanting to switch from Vdub to AmerecTV is most likely in hopes that it will be more forgiving of timebase errors.

[lollo]

No capture software can deal with time base errors. They must be fixed in the signal processing phase, by dedicated hardware.

VirtualDub core has been designed when the audio and the video were captured by two different cards, hence its may different options to manipulate audio and video streams (useless nowdays that modern cards have integrated audio/video capture capabilities).

AmarecTV is not better in presence of errors in the stream, but for clean signals it behaves better than VirtualDub with modern cards and modern OSs in keeping audio and video in synch, because its engine is different.

Some cards may be more resilient in presence of time base errors (is not the case for Pinnacle 710, USB-Live 2 and GV-USB2) , but is always better to feed a clean signal.