Panasonic DMR-ES10 Muffled Sound

[TazDave]

My trusty Panasonic DMR-ES10 would no longer turn on so I purchased another one.

All the connections are the same, I have a Panasonic NV-FJ600 & a USB Live-2

I have turned off NR in the settings but I can't figure out why I'm getting muffled sound as it's connected exactly the same.

Is there a sound setting I should changer or any other ideas would be greatly appreciated.

I have attached a 10 second video

[Sharc]

Bypass the ES10 for audio. Directly connect the audio from the VCR to the USB-live2. You may have to adjust the delay (A/V sync) in post.

[TazDave]

Thank you
I tried that. At the rear of the ES10 left hand side which is (AV4 In) I have the yellow, white and red component cables running to my VCR yellow video and white audio.

At the rear of the ES10 right hand side (Out) I have the yellow, white & red component cables connected to my Hauppage USB Live-2.
I unplugged the red & white cables that run from the right hand side of the ES10 to the VCR & unplugged the red & white from the USB live & connected them to my VCR but that leaves 2 loose red & white cables & I have no sound.
I'm obviously doing something wrong if you could please explain it again
Thank you

[Sharc]

Bypassing the ES10 for audio:
-Connect the RED+WHITE at the rear of the NV-FJ600 (=Audio OUT) to the RED+WHITE of the USB-Live2
and
-Connect the YELLOW at the rear of the NV-FJ600 (=Video OUT) to the YELLOW on the front of the ES10 (Input)
and
-Connect the YELLOW at the rear of the ES10 (output) to the YELLOW of the USB-Live2


Or for including the ES10 for audio (but you got the muffled sound as I understood):
-Connect the RED+WHITE+YELLOW at the rear of the NV-FJ600 to the RED+WHITE+YELLOW on the front of the ES10 (Input),
and
-Connect the RED+WHITE+YELLOW at the rear of the ES10 (output) to the RED+WHITE+YELLOW of the USB-Live2

Note: I suggested to use the front sockets of the ES10 (IN 2) as an alternative to the inputs on the back in the hope that this may solve the sound problem)

[TazDave]

Excellent that worked thank you.
Will I only get mono sound or should I be getting stereo?
If so I can export the audio & edit it & reimport it

[Sharc]

WHITE and RED carry stereo, but your tape may be recorded mono only .....

And just to add:
Its much better quality wise to use the S-video connection (using an S-Video cable) from the ES10 to the Live2 instead of the YELLOW. Then you can enable the Comb Filter in the ES10 which will eliminate - or significantly reduce - the typical composite (YELLOW) quality deficiencies like dotcrawl and rainbows. Highly recommended, especially for the USB-Live2!

[TazDave]

Great. I hate to be a pain but can you tell me which S-Video cable to buy. My VCR does not have a S-Video connection but I'm getting another one next week a Panasonic NV-VP60 which has a S-Video connection.
Also where do you enable the comb filter in the settings?
Thank you

[Sharc]

...can you tell me which S-Video cable to buy. My VCR does not have a S-Video connection .....

something like this, e.g. from amazon

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In your current setup use it for connecting the ES10 (S-video OUT socket on the rear) to the USB-live2, instead of the YELLOW.

...but I'm getting another one next week a Panasonic NV-VP60 which has a S-Video connection.

This S-video of the NV-VP60 is for DVD playback only. For tape playback the RED+WHITE+YELLOW are still to be used (same as your current VHS).
If you want S-video for tape playback you should go for a S-VHS VCR (preferably with TBC which may make the ES10 redundant) .
The VP60 won't have a benefit compared to your current model, I am afraid. Here a list with S-VHS models:
https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?thread/48526-%C3%BCbersicht-%C3%BCber-alle-jvc-pan...r-deutschland/

Also where do you enable the comb filter in the settings?

Menu of the ES10:

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[TazDave]

Thank you form that information, I will try & buy a cable & purchase one of those models.
Unfortunately here in Australia a good VCR is hard to find, most people sell as is & there are only about 3 people who sell decent refurbished models.
As for TBC again they are sold as is or they cost a small fortune from the US or UK. There is one person from the Netherlands also advertising & his cost an arm & a leg as well.
One again thank you very much for your help.

[TazDave]

Hi, I received my S-Video cable today. I plugged it in the S-Video Out Socket & USB Live-2 & I disconnected the yellow cable from the Live-2 but now I don't get any picture until I plug the yellow socket back into the USB-Live-2.
I don't know why I have no picture, I've tried the dmr-es10 on all channels A1 to A4.
Is there a specific setting I'm missing?
Thank you

[Sharc]

You need to set the ES10 to S-Video (Screenshot is from ES15 but it will be same/similar for the ES10)

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And in your capture SW (picture below is for AmarecTV) you have to select S-Video as well for your capture device:

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[TazDave]

Thank you for the quick reply, I tried all that but I only get sound & no picture.
I have attached a screenshot of my connection, maybe you can see something else there I need to change
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[Sharc]

I don't have the ES10, I have the similar ES15 only, but:
a. what menu options do you have for the front AV2 Input of the ES10?
b. I found a confusing Note in the ES10 manual for the AV2 Input:

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So you may have to try again the Input on the rear for the ES10 (?!?). Set it to something like "Video" or "Composite" in the menu of the ES10.

c. You also need to configure the capture device for S-Video rather than Composite (see my 2nd screenshot in the former post).
(I understand you set it to Composite for the sake of your screenshots as this was the only one which worked).

Maybe someone with an ES10 will chime in.

[TazDave]

On the front of the ES10 the 0nly inputs I get are A1 to A4
I have attached a screenshot of the AV2 Input.
I did change video to S Video but still the same.

My currrent cable configuration is -
There are no cables connected left rear side of ES10 which is AV2 in which I thought I had to disconnect.

The right rear hand side of the ES10 which is Video Out I only had the yellow cable from the VCR plugged in because the S Video was only playing sound.

The red & white cable from the VCR is connected to the USB Live-2
As mentioned above I plug the yellow cable from the VCR into the USB-Live 2 to get picture..

Now I've totally messed the cable configuration up from my original setup to accomodate the S Video cable I no longer know where I shuld put them.
I hope all the above makes sense.
Thank you

[Sharc]

We start from scratch then and try step by step.
- Upload 2 photos of your ES10 box: front view and rear view where we can see the connectors (sockets).
In the meantime:
- Connect your VCR to the front red+white+yellow of the ES10 (your VCR has no S-video)
- Connect the S-video cable from the S-video out which is on the rear of the ES10 to the S-video socket of the USB live-2

[lollo]

and set input signal to S-Video in your capture software, as Sharc already told you

[TazDave]

I tried your suggestion, all I got was a bad screen which I attached a screenshot.
I have also attached a screenshot of the front & rear connections & current connection settings.
Thank you

[TazDave]

Forgot to attach the AV settings

[Sharc]

- Fist picture is your VCR, right? Is it the NV FY600?
- Second Picture is the front of your ES10, thst's ok.
- Picture of the rear of the the ES10 is missing, but anyway:

Did you ever configure your USB-Live2 to for S-Video? See the 2nd picture in post#11.
You need to do these settings in AmarecTV (or whatever capture SW you are using).

[Alwyn]

Picture of the rear of the the ES10 is missing, but anyway:

No it's not. It's the middle one, with all the S-Video and Scart ports.

[Sharc]

Picture of the rear of the the ES10 is missing, but anyway:

No it's not. It's the middle one, with all the S-Video and Scart ports.

ok, my bad, sorry.

@TazDave:
So you connect "S-VIDEO OUT" on the rear of the ES10 -> S-Video connector of the USB-Live 2
and
AUDIO OUT WHITE (L) + AUDIO OUT RED (R) on the rear of the ES10 to the white and red connectors of the USB-Live2

But you never answered the question:

Did you ever configure your USB-Live2 to for S-Video? See the 2nd picture in post#11.
You need to do these settings in AmarecTV (or whatever capture SW you are using).

So again: Did you configure your USB-Live2 for S-Video? What capture SW are you using? AmarecTV? VirtualDub? The one which was shipped with the USB-Live2 (AFAIK it is called "Hauppauge Capture")? Something else?
If you don't know how to do it we have to continue from there .....

Edit:
From your earlier screenshots it looks like you are using Hauppauge WinTV as your capture SW. I don't use it, but there should be settings where you can change from "Composite" to "S-Video". So check this out first.
Next would be to use a better capture SW for capturing lossless. But that's for later .....

[TazDave]

Hi. Yes I configured the USB-Live2 for SVideo.
I gave up and contacted a friend who repairs TV's & other electronic components.
He replaced the caps on my original ES10 & It's working great. I have attached a photo of the caps that needed replacing.
I gave him this one & he sent me a photo of the faulty caps on that one & intends to replace them as well. I have attached a photo of those caps as well.
I highly appreciate everyone's help but I don't think it was ever going to work no matter what we did until the caps were replaced.
One again thank you everybody for your help & patience.
I have a question about converting a NTSC DVD to PAL but I'll post it in the correct place.

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[TazDave]

So it turns out it's not a capacitor causing the issue. It's a chip with the part Number LV7105 which I was told was the video/audio signal out interface for the DVD recorder.
I searched for this part with no luck
He also quoted me VEP 9107 which is the mainboard part number.
Does anyone know if this part can actually be replaced & if so what other models besides the dmr-es10 may have it?
There is an ES15 up for auction that ends Sunday afternoon that i might bid on but again I get what I paid for.
Thank you

[timtape]

Your original issue was "muffled audio". I would have called it distorted audio. But regardless, much of the thread has been dealing with issues related to bypassing the ES10 audio stages (which of course doesnt fix the ES10 audio issue) and then to making sure inputs and outputs are set correctly.

If you mean the audio is still not right, being muffled/distorted, that's probably because the ES10 audio issue as such was not discussed. I suspect the problem is electrolytic capacitor and/or chip related, in agreement with what your tech seems to think.


Also only some tapes have flag waving issues. The way to discover this is to preview your tapes without the ES10 etc in circuit. ideally set the gear up so the ES10 or whatever can be easily switched in and out of the workflow.
I had a batch of maybe 12 Video 8 tapes to digitize. Only one of the 12 tapes had the flag waving issue at the top of the picture, and then only at the start of that tape. So 95% of the footage didnt need the correction.