Capturing VHS - different methods

[VHSvideocapture]

Hello all

This is a great forum for helping people capturing videos thanks to everyone for helping people like me I am here to learn I need a lot of learning to do lets see who helps me out.

I have some questions about VHS capture the equipment, the methods the compression, and the final quality to expect.

1- the equipment I have read lots of posts everyone is giving different answers to which is the best capture device
1- diamond vc 500 2- hauppage live usb-2
3- io data gv-usb2

Some suggest DV capture which is lossy it uses 4:2:0 chroma sub-sampling and reduces colour and overall quality and if one was going to work on the file reencoding the file would make it lose quality even more, have I understood this correctly?

The first 2 devices hauppage and diamond are easily available but I have read on these forums that the company has changed production line and uses different parts, only 1 user reports this but from my understanding they use the Conexant Polaris chipset this company went out of business in 2012.


Whatever change happened has happened before then if these hards are being made now something else must be being used many of the other capture cards, like the avermedia ezdvd maker7 is also another USB capture card but it's not mentioned as much as the others the August vg100 and mygica capit are made by the same company that made the diamond vc500 they all come with the shipped with the same written drivers same set up screen same Chinese company name pops up on all of them.


The i-o data gv-usb2 is mentioned very favourably on these fourms it uses the techwell NEC chipset TW9910 I have not heard of any issues with it but recently I have read about people selling fakes on ebay.

This is a very confusing capture card it is marketed at the Japanese population with a Japanese box instructions manual the CD boot up screen is also is Japanese but the drivers are in English, the ones that come on the disc are version 1.1 I think but if you look the bottom of the box it says in very small letters made in Taiwan-

why is it made in io data's Taiwan factory when it is marketed at the Japanese population? This is why people are able to sell fakes but the people that are selling the fakes are using pictures of a generic easyc#aps without any text why don't people see this?


2- the VCR the VCR is one of the most important things when it comes to capture, the ones suggested are JVC 9600 JVC 9800 JVC 7600 Panasonic AG-1980

The JVC 7600 has a 2mb memory TBC and the latter models have a 4mb TBC memory but I have heard talks about the dynamic drum failing, The JVC 9500 is never suggested for some reason I don't know why because it also has a TBC why would it be so different to the others?


Timebase corrector this is a very interesting topic where people fight each other some are of the view a TBC is only needed on bad tapes, others suggest a TBC is always needed from my understanding not many are available to buy so people are using other methods like a Panasonic DVD recorder the common models used are ES10 and ES15 but here we have another fight some people claim it has brightness issues and can introduce compression artifacts the way around this is to use a scart adapter but it does not end at that others claim it can cause cross talk between the scart and s video and scart carries RGB signal not YUY2 this will mean quality loss on an already low quality format.


The timebase correctors talked about are the datavideo and Cypress, if you read some other threads people are suggesting others not to go for cypress because they changed production and use different parts that have known issues it's best to avoid cypress the green ones people go on about are expensive if available but on ebay some people have started to change the internal parts they are putting the faulty averlogic chipsets into a green shell and selling them as the green.

The capturing - most people on these fourms are using VirtualDub 1.9 version with a lossless codec like Huffyuv or Lagrith for smaller files when capturing to record all the details as possible with YUY2 4:2:2 chroma sub-sampling , is this the correct way of doing things?

The tricky thing ProcAmp settings when capturing should the ProcAmp be set at default or should it be adjusted? I'm assuming every tape has it's own levels depending on scenes light dark ect?

Can reencoding be done in virtuldub 2 because virtualdub 2 lets you select output colour format like Rec 601 BT 709 SD video uses Rec 601 HD uses BT 709 what is the difference between the two and why can't RGB be used ? What if a capture has been recorded RGB by mistake using wrong output settings in VD how much is the quality loss converting RGB to YUY2 if the capture is lossless Huffyuv?

Because I want to capture lossless save lossless then work on the video colour correction ect and reencode lossless again and send it to hybird let hybrid de-interlace.

Will saving and rendering 2 or 3 times result in quality loss even if I'm going to use a lossless codec because what I've noticed on my tests is each time a lossless file is saved its size is smaller than the previous lossless file of the same video

Now comes another fighting topic clean up and de interlacing I know de interlacing is only recommended for online video uploading virtuldub has its own Yadif de interlace filter with many settings like interpolate, top field first bottom field first discard top - bottom field, blendfields people which is the best setting and why?

on these forums most people seem to favour QTGMC plug in using avisynth but avisynth involves scripting and manually inputting commands it's not for the faint hearted, a way around that is Selur's Hybrid software it lets you import your video and lets you use avisynth but with an interface unlike avisynth.

Resizing for online this is another topic that starts a fight people who upload to YouTube often resize the original should be captured as is 720x576 pal 25fps 720x480 30fps

What is the best resize filter? Does resizing have any benefits? I know it can have side effects like pixilation the image looking stretched.

Final bitrate what is a good quality bitrate for Youtube? Should I encode 1 pass 2 pass CBR or VBR?

Whenever a lossless file like Huffyuv or lagrith is uploaded to YouTube directly it uploads in 480 It never goes up to 720 when.mp4 always does?

Lots of misleading advice on YouTube lots of morons with a camera who like the sound of their own voice and know very little or nothing about video capture

Here is one such moron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0bRN8EqnCc&t=11s

This moron boasts of being the best using an elgato capture card he deletes comments and blocks people when challenged.
He is pressure selling his service please go through his channel with other videos of him ranting crying for a good laugh 😂😂 😂 he shows video playback on a small Mac screen no TBC just a Panasonic dvd VHS combo he would not know what a TBC is if it came up to him and punched him on the nose.

[Bwaak]

I suggest you to edit your long message, add some punctuation marks, split it into chapters, highlight specific questions.

[Swedaniel]

I suggest you to edit your long message, add some punctuation marks, split it into chapters, highlight specific questions.

Yeah im dropping out,, finding hidden "threat messages" with word like "gauging" and other pornographic "words" and speaking ill of chroma saying it remove colors when from what i seen it give the coolest colors of them all! im out!

Either its done on purpose or someone unknowingly been around some german porn scammers to gather knowledge!

And i dont know what "The Burning Crusade" world of warcraft game have to do with any cameras tbh!

[VHSvideocapture]

I suggest you to edit your long message, add some punctuation marks, split it into chapters, highlight specific questions.

Yeah im dropping out,, finding hidden "threat messages" with word like "gauging" and other pornographic "words" and speaking ill of chroma saying it remove colors when from what i seen it give the coolest colors of them all! im out!

Either its done on purpose or someone unknowingly been around some german porn scammers to gather knowledge!

And i dont know what "The Burning Crusade" world of warcraft game have to do with any cameras tbh!

I'm seriously looking for help in capturing videos

[DB83]

Now this reply may appear flippant but....

There is a famous scene in the film 'Amadeus' where Mozart asks The Emperor what he thinks of his composition. The Emperor responds "Too many notes. Just cut a few and all will be fine"


Which brings me to your post. Simply too many questions for one post so constructive answers could be lost as more peoples join in. And most of what you ask has been covered ad-naseum in endless other topics. No need to 'reinvent the wheel' here. For example what is 'best' will be based on personal use and opinion. And if what you write about certain capture devices is correct then even solid recommendation could fall foul.

[VHSvideocapture]

Now this reply may appear flippant but....

There is a famous scene in the film 'Amadeus' where Mozart asks The Emperor what he thinks of his composition. The Emperor responds "Too many notes. Just cut a few and all will be fine"


Which brings me to your post. Simply too many questions for one post so constructive answers could be lost as more peoples join in. And most of what you ask has been covered ad-naseum in endless other topics. No need to 'reinvent the wheel' here. For example what is 'best' will be based on personal use and opinion. And if what you write about certain capture devices is correct then even solid recommendation could fall foul.

Ok
Is the Io data gv-usb2 good for VHS capture?
Does it have any revisions?
Does it suffer from AGC issues like diamond VC500
Which JVC HR VCR is the best?
What if I only have lower quality model?

[Bogilein]

It is also important to know whether you want to capture PAL or NTSC and which operating system you want to use.

The capture cards mentioned are mainly recommended as they also work under Windows 10 (perhaps also Windows 11).

[VHSvideocapture]

It is also important to know whether you want to capture PAL or NTSC and which operating system you want to use.

The capture cards mentioned are mainly recommended as they also work under Windows 10 (perhaps also Windows 11).

PAL
Windows 10

Windows 11 is not capture friendly old cards don't work.
Even for the diamond vc500 to work you need to disable some security function on it.

[Bogilein]

about the panasonic dvd-recorders you should read:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/403635-Panasonic-DVD-recorder-passthrough-settings...15-DMR-ES25%29

and this (use google translate if you can't read german language):

https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?thread/47744-tipp-digitalisieren-%C3%BCbersteuerte...meras-vidicon/

[VHSvideocapture]

about the panasonic dvd-recorders you should read:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/403635-Panasonic-DVD-recorder-passthrough-settings...15-DMR-ES25%29

and this (use google translate if you can't read german language):

https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?thread/47744-tipp-digitalisieren-%C3%BCbersteuerte...meras-vidicon/

Will do latter on.
Should they be used or not?
TBC is rare and expensive these are used as a TBC replacement.
I'm sure they will have side effects but the side effects must be better than having wiggling VHS?

[Sharc]

Is the Io data gv-usb2 good for VHS capture?

Yes

Does it suffer from AGC issues like diamond VC500

Not in my tests which I have made for various scenarios

Which JVC HR VCR is the best?

The one which gives the best results for your tapes. Generally, a S-VHS model with internal TBC is preferred. A mediocre sub-par model in good working condition may perform better than a worn "top" model in poor working condition though, from the x-th user, x-times shipped .... The question for "best" cannot be answered - what is the "best" car, "best" Ford model?

What if I only have lower quality model?

Well, lower quality probably, what else? In tendency more glitches, wiggling, rollovers, less details, .....The differences may be subtle though, it also depends on your tapes. You have to try and see what you get.

Learning by doing!

[Sharc]

about the panasonic dvd-recorders you should read:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/403635-Panasonic-DVD-recorder-passthrough-settings...15-DMR-ES25%29

and this (use google translate if you can't read german language):

https://gleitz.info/forum/index.php?thread/47744-tipp-digitalisieren-%C3%BCbersteuerte...meras-vidicon/

Will do latter on.
Should they be used or not?

Yes, DVD recorders in passthrough are recommended if you don't have a VHS player with internal TBC, or some other external TBC, or a high end capture card with TBC functionality included.

TBC is rare and expensive these are used as a TBC replacement.
I'm sure they will have side effects but the side effects must be better than having wiggling VHS?

Usually yes if applied correctly. They help to stabilize the picture.

Learning by doing.

[lollo]

The JVC 9500 is never suggested for some reason I don't know why because it also has a TBC why would it be so different to the others?

The JVC-9500 is just as good as later series (i.e. 9600). Is missing picture mode control, which is useless anyhow. Being its chroma noise reduction filter (linked to its TBC) older, is less aggressive than later series and introduces less blurring and less ghosting at scene change; for that is preferred by some, including me, compared to later models. (search here and digitalfaq forums for some posts about it)

Being just 1 or 2 years older than latest series, has the same chances to be found in nice conditions, which is difficult nowdays. The conditions of the machines now are much more important than the specific model, as already told.

[VHSvideocapture]

Yes

So io data usb-2 it is then

Not in my tests which I have made for various scenarios

User lordsmurff says all the time in many posts that diamond changed production and so did the hauppage live USB 2 also popular he seems to hate both of these cards he is a senior member here

The one which gives the best results for your tapes. Generally, a S-VHS model with internal TBC is preferred. A mediocre sub-par model in good working condition may perform better than a worn "top" model in poor working condition though, from the x-th user, x-times shipped .... The question for "best" cannot be answered - what is the "best" car, "best" Ford model?

To put it simply in layman newbie terms any JVC HR model that has a line TBC bulit in?
But that will also activate the bulit in JVC NR right?

How important is a full frame TBC? Can the Panasonic DVD recorder stop dropped frames audio sync issues?

Does sending it to the DVD recorder not mean the DVD recorder prosesss the picture in mpeg2 format then sends it to the pc into virtualdub even if it's set to input YUY2 and output YUY2
Does it not add brightness and mess with the overall picture? In my experience the brightness flashes on scene changes some scenes appear darker than others.

Well, lower quality probably, what else? In tendency more glitches, wiggling, rollovers, less details, .....The differences may be subtle though, it also depends on your tapes. You have to try and see what you get.

Learning by doing!

It's all about how much someone wants to spend quality is a subjective issue if uploading online de-interlacing is a must what yadif de interlace methods are the best? Upper field first for VHS but what other settings? Interpolate yadif interpolate bob blend.

All these options also have the double frame rate to compensate for the loss in motion on fast scenes.

[VHSvideocapture]

Yes, DVD recorders in passthrough are recommended if you don't have a VHS player with internal TBC, or some other external TBC, or a high end capture card with TBC functionality included.

I'll source a quality JVC VCR HR model 7600 is common the others are expensive and hard to source

I'm sure they will have side effects but the side effects must be better than having wiggling VHS?

Usually yes

if applied correctly. They help to stabilize the picture.

Learning by doing.

I think its best to go with the right equipment but from my tests with a JVC 7500 (NO TBC model) the Panasonic ES15 does very little for the clicking sounds on the VHS, the clicking could be jumping on the VHS which the Panasonic ES15 is trying to stop?

[VHSvideocapture]

[QUOTE=lolo2716203]
The JVC-9500 is just as good as later series (i.e. 9600). Is missing picture mode control, which is useless anyhow. Being its chroma noise reduction filter (linked to its TBC) older, is less aggressive than later series and introduces less blurring and less ghosting at scene change; for that is preferred by some, including me, compared to later models. (search here and digitalfaq forums for some posts about it)[\QUOTE]

I know I see the results on your YouTube channel lolol2 and I keep thinking how can the HR9500 and the hauppage live usb-2 give you such good results? Underneath in the description box I see you share avisynth scripts too your clips are very nice and look digital same for Dell sam and his YouTube channel capturing memories he uses a high end brighteye75 with SDI route to HDMI digital no analogue conversation analogue straight to digital preserving more quality and in lossless format.
I can't afford that set up 😞

Being just 1 or 2 years older than latest series, has the same chances to be found in nice conditions, which is difficult nowdays. The conditions of the machines now are much more important than the specific model, as already told.

Will go for HR 7600 more common i have HR 7500 same as HR 7600 model no TBC

[lollo]

User lordsmurff says all the time in many posts that diamond changed production and so did the hauppage live USB 2 also popular he seems to hate both of these cards he is a senior member here

The Hauppauge USB-Live 2 had no production change, period. Do not trust "opinions" not confirmed by facts and evidences; and my friend lordsmurf is not a reference (blu smurf, I wrote you're my friend, ok? )

VC500 has been proven to feature AGC issues in the past from some users, not from other others. Then is prone to have AGC issues.

I know I see the results on your YouTube channel lolol2 and I keep thinking how can the HR9500 and the hauppage live usb-2 give you such good results?

Because the HR9500 is one of the best VCR and the Hauppauge USB-Live 2 is one of the best capture card. But more important of anything else is the condition of the tapes.

Underneath in the description box I see you share avisynth scripts too your clips are very nice and look digital

Looking "digital" is not really a merit figure for an analog SD source. You probably meant clean and detailed
My basic AviSynth scripts simply denoise and sharpen a bit, to make the upscale (required for better YouTube processing) more efficient, and to improve a little bit the overall look of the clips.
But is very easy to over-process and introduce an ugly plastic look most of the times.

same for Dell sam and his YouTube channel capturing memories he uses a high end brighteye75 with SDI route to HDMI digital no analogue conversation analogue straight to digital preserving more quality and in lossless format.

Source for dellsam is a JVC S-VHS, so his signal path is the same as mine: Analog to Digital to Analog inside VCR (because T.B.C/N.R. circuit) -> Y/C signal to BE75 capture card, then Analog to Digital inside it.
The usage of BE75 and its internal capabilities makes the difference when the tapes are in bad conditions: in this case I need to add an external TBC, while him does not in many cases, avoiding a supplementary Analog to Digital Conversion at the output of the VCR.

I can't afford that set up

Reserve most of your budget to the player, it impacts for the 90% of the achievable quality. But, once more, the condition of the tapes is also the key factor.

[Bwaak]

I'm sure they will have side effects but the side effects must be better than having wiggling VHS?

I'm sure they will have side effects but the side effects must be better than having wiggling VHS?

Usually yes

Are you answering your own questions?

To put it simply in layman newbie terms any JVC HR model that has a line TBC bulit in?

Any SVHS model with a built-in TBC. Then again, the built-in TBC may be not strong enough for really out of whack tapes, so you'll have to use something else anyway to fix vertical synchronization and prevent picture roll (this is what some forum users call "frame TBC").

JVC was not the only manufacturer of VHS machines, it was the inventor of VHS, although even this can be disputed

[DB83]

Well good luck with your purchase given the 'confusion'

I am a usb-live2 user and am quite happy with it. This is the one I acquired direct from Amazon back in Sept. 2013


https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Live2-Capture-display-record-Laptop/dp/B003Q2ZA36/ref=sr_...76&sr=1-1&th=1


But to add confusion, the one that Hauppauge now promote is this one


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-610-USB-Live-Digitizer-Capture-Black-White/dp/B0036...mputers&sr=1-3


which does suggest that something is different under the hood although their drivers, which I updated a while back, work for both.


Like I originally said, we all have our opinion. A recent user has had issues but they could be user-error rather than product.


But do come back with user experience and a link of actual purchase source.

[lollo]

DB83, there are 610, 1341 and 1383 numbering, and also light-blue/green boxes and red boxes as well, but the hardware is always the same, I have checked it through not less than 10 cards from different countries in no less than 6 years.

[VHSvideocapture]

The Hauppauge USB-Live 2 had no production change, period. Do not trust "opinions" not confirmed by facts and evidences; and my friend lordsmurf is not a reference (blu smurf, I wrote you're my friend, ok? )

This card is good I did try it but after I read his old posts I put it to one side.

VC500 has been proven to feature AGC issues in the past from some users, not from other others. Then is prone to have AGC issues.

So VC500 is a no then? Only tye never versions will be available from the diamond website or Amazon.

[QUOTE=lolo27162441]
Because the HR9500 is one of the best VCR and the Hauppauge USB-Live 2 is one of the best capture card. But more important of anything else is the condition of the tapes.[\QUOTE]

SO HR-9500 and hauppage USB live2 is the best set up?
No TBC needed if using HR 9500 with Panasonic ES15?]

Looking "digital" is not really a merit figure for an analog SD source. You probably meant clean and detailed
My basic AviSynth scripts simply denoise and sharpen a bit, to make the upscale (required for better YouTube processing) more efficient, and to improve a little bit the overall look of the clips.
But is very easy to over-process and introduce an ugly plastic look most of the times.

Yes it looks good

[QUOTE=lolo27162441] Source for dellsam is a JVC S-VHS, so his signal path is the same as mine: Analog to Digital to Analog inside VCR (because T.B.C/N.R. circuit) -> Y/C signal to BE75 capture card, then Analog to Digital inside it.
The usage of BE75 and
its internal capabilities makes the difference when the tapes are in bad conditions: in this case I need to add an external TBC, while him does not in many cases, avoiding a supplementary Analog to Digital Conversion at the output of the VCR. [\QUOTE]

But the BR75 has a bulit in TBC I don't know if its line TBC or a full frame 10bit TBC like the much mentioned datavideo or Cypress

Reserve most of your budget to the player, it impacts for the 90% of the achievable quality. But, once more, the condition of the tapes is also the key factor.

Condition of the tapes is good but some do jump at places not perfect as a brand new one?

[VHSvideocapture]

Any SVHS model with a built-in TBC. Then again, the built-in TBC may be not strong enough for really out of whack tapes, so you'll have to use something else anyway to fix vertical synchronization and prevent picture roll (this is what some forum users call "frame TBC").

JVC was not the only manufacturer of VHS machines, it was the inventor of VHS, although even this can be disputed

But JVC and some Panasonic are recommended I'm sure I can find one of them at least
I have the HR-7500 already

[lollo]

SO HR-9500 and hauppage USB live2 is the best set up?

No, because there is no "best". And it is not a "high-end" workflow anyhow, meaning able to deal with large range of tapes in many different shape (where, in addition to high-end devices, you also need a range of different VCRs and different capture cards)

No TBC needed if using HR 9500 with Panasonic ES15?

A high end S-VHS JVC has an internal TBC. Only for bad tapes showing specific defects (flagging, wiggling) disable its TBC and use a specific DVD-Recorder in pass-through mode like Panasonic ES-10/ES-15 or similar. Other or additional defects can only be "fixed" by an external TBC

But the BR75 has a bulit in TBC I don't know if its line TBC or a full frame 10bit TBC like the much mentioned datavideo or Cypress

Closer to the second. User dellsam34 will be more specific

edit:

This card is good I did try it but after I read his old posts I put it to one side.

So you trusted more bad "opinions" than your own eyes??? The power of internet bullshit

So VC500 is a no then? Only tye never versions will be available from the diamond website or Amazon.

I'd prefer a safer GV-USB2 or a USB-Live 2 (needed TBC correction and Y/C output on your player for the second)

I have the HR-7500 already

Then just put a DVD-R recorder between your 7500 and your USB-Live 2 before any additional purchase in term of VCRs and Cards

[VHSvideocapture]

Well good luck with your purchase given the 'confusion'

I am a usb-live2 user and am quite happy with it. This is the one I acquired direct from Amazon back in Sept. 2013


https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Live2-Capture-display-record-Laptop/dp/B003Q2ZA36/ref=sr_...76&sr=1-1&th=1


But to add confusion, the one that Hauppauge now promote is this one


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-610-USB-Live-Digitizer-Capture-Black-White/dp/B0036...mputers&sr=1-3


which does suggest that something is different under the hood although their drivers, which I updated a while back, work for both.


Like I originally said, we all have our opinion. A recent user has had issues but they could be user-error rather than product.


But do come back with user experience and a link of actual purchase source.

I have this one already
See picture am sending you.

When you say happy are you getting perfect results or are you getting some minor issues like jumping?
Are you using any kind of TBC or Panasonic ES15 as pass through?
I bought it from Amazon
[Attachment 75586 - Click to enlarge]

[VHSvideocapture]

No, because there is no "best".

So JVC HR9500 with Panasonic ES15 which I have
and hauppage live usb-2 which I also have picture posted

No TBC needed if using HR 9500 with Panasonic ES15?

That's good to know

A high end S-VHS JVC has an internal TBC. Only for bad tapes showing specific defects (flagging, wiggling) disable its TBC and use a specific DVD-Recorder in pass-through mode like Panasonic ES-10/ES-15 or similar. Other or additional defects can only be "fixed" by an external TBC

If JVC svhs VCR is sufficient then do people run after non existent timebase correctors?

Closer to the second. User dellsam34 will be more specific

Ok let's wait for Sam to chip in👍

[lollo]

If JVC svhs VCR is sufficient then do people run after non existent timebase correctors?

A TBC inside a VCR is what we call a lineTBC, acting at frame level, to clean the image. An external TBC is what we call a frameTBC, acting to insure "perfect" timing between frames and so on, correcting then different defects. Sometimes you can live with lineTBC only (or with the correction provided by a specific DVD-Recorder), sometimes you need both, depending on your tapes.

Now, just wait for our friend Bwaak to argue about the terms and the functions

[VHSvideocapture]

No, because there is no "best".

No TBC needed if using HR 9500 with Panasonic ES15?
[\QUOTE]

I'm sure someone will disagree 😂 someone with a marketplace selling them?

A high end S-VHS JVC has an internal TBC. Only for bad tapes showing specific defects (flagging, wiggling) disable its TBC and use a specific DVD-Recorder in pass-through mode like Panasonic ES-10/ES-15 or similar. Other or additional defects can only be "fixed" by an external TBC

I have the VCR I have the card I have the DVD recorder


Closer to the second. User dellsam34 will be more specific

edit:

This card is good I did try it but after I read his old posts I put it to one side.

So you trusted more bad "opinions" than your own eyes??? The power of internet bullshit

I thought it was advice based on experience or a long time converting VHS?

I'd prefer a safer GV-USB2 or a USB-Live 2 (needed TBC correction and Y/C output on your player for the second)

I can get gv-usb2 in a few weeks if its better than luve USB -2 i have live USB-2

Then just put a DVD-R recorder between your 7500 and your USB-Live 2 before any additional purchase in term of VCRs and Cards

So I have everything needed? That is unbelievable 😲

[DB83]

I have this one already
See picture am sending you.

When you say happy are you getting perfect results or are you getting some minor issues like jumping?
Are you using any kind of TBC or Panasonic ES15 as pass through?
I bought it from Amazon
[Attachment 75586 - Click to enlarge]

I'll turn the question around. Did you have issues with your usb-live2 or simply abandoned it due to comments by others ?


No. I do not use a 'formal' pass-through TBC but I do filter captures though a Canopus ADVC 300 (lots of bad press about that as well but it has always improved my work - and I have posted with and without samples in various topics here)

[VHSvideocapture]

If JVC svhs VCR is sufficient then do people run after non existent timebase correctors?

A TBC inside a VCR is what we call a lineTBC, acting at frame level, to clean the image. An external TBC is what we call a frameTBC, acting to insure "perfect" timing between frames and so on, correcting then different defects. Sometimes you can live with lineTBC only (or with the correction provided by a specific DVD-Recorder), sometimes you need both, depending on your tapes.

Now, just wait for our friend Bwaak to argue about the terms and the functions

Line TBC is for cleaning the image frame TBC is for cleaning the signal, having both in the chain removes most errors on a tape flagging is the most common on old tapes.

With the ES10 or ES15 it sometimes it can still drop frames with the hauppage live USB-2 virtuldub tends to go out of sync after 10 mins this must be because of a lack of full frame TBC?

[VHSvideocapture]

I'll turn the question around. Did you have issues with your usb-live2 or simply abandoned it due to comments by others ?


No. I do not use a 'formal' pass-through TBC but I do filter captures though a Canopus ADVC 300 (lots of bad press about that as well but it has always improved my work - and I have posted with and without samples in various topics here)

I had issues with clicking on the tapes no other real issues.

The constant bashing put me off using it I was thinking I was wasting my capturing on this card.

The ADVC300 is a DV capture box I think? Everyone devices against it because of quality loss and lossy dv compression