Why is Neat video the best video denoiser?

[sophisticles]

[Off-Topic Post, but necessary]

OK.

I am going to say this clearly, succinctly and professionally.

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Well, I suspect flattery wasn't the intention here. This happened on this site before (and perhaps this is a repeat from a long-gone troll under another guise). Regardless,

@ Truthler, you are in violation of using my personal copyrighted work (my avatar), or a derivative of it, without permission.*

I do not give permission, nor do I intend to anytime for the foreseeable future. I want the avatar taken down or changed to something that is clearly not it nor a derivative.
If you do not, I will be reporting you to the mods for copyright infringement.


Scott

*Image GIF animated by me in early 2000s, based on abstracted image hand-drawn on computer by me in mid-90's, based on image hand-drawn on paper by me in the '70s when I was a teen, based off my romantic memory of a Groucho book. I have files & papers to prove all their provenance and authenticity.

I just have to say this as "clearly, succinctly and professionally" as I can, it takes a giant set of steel balls to claim copyright to a copy of an image that is in the public domain:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Groucho_Marx.jpg

[Cornucopia]

That is NOT the image. Your file is a PD photograph. My image is in reverence of him, but it is a completely original abstracted design by me. If his estate would like to argue that, or they ask me to not use it, I certainly would remove it out of respect. But my work should be respected as well.

Scott

[sophisticles]

That is NOT the image. Your file is a PD photograph. My image is in reverence of him, but it is a completely original abstracted design by me. If his estate would like to argue that, or they ask me to not use it, I certainly would remove it out of respect. But my work should be respected as well.

Scott

Are you for real? You copied an image of a celebrity that's in the public domain. Any derivative work by definition is also in the public domain.

You know what you remind me of? I was staying in a hotel and decided to check out the copy of the Gideon Bible that seems to be in every hotel room and I was shocked to see that the book actually had a copyright notice.

So i checked, and sure enough, every bible printed in the U.S., every Koran printed in the U.S., my copy of Principia Mathematica, my copies of the reproductions in the original Greek of the works of Archimedes, Euclid and others and they actually have a copyright notice.

Imagine claiming copyright to Genesis, Archimedes Principle of Exhaustion or The Law of Universal Gravitation!

Yet there are people that try.

Your claims are just as absurd.

[lordsmurf]

You copied an image of a celebrity that's in the public domain.

No.

[Truthler]

That photo? Dr. Hackenbush ?



No he can not make copyrights on that (and it is a fact), however I like the figure of Cornucopia itself enough on this forum, to remove the "derivative" avatar.

[rrats]

Truthler paid too much for his camcorder and is now trying to prove its actually better than a mirror less/DSLR


He also won't send a good looking source video, denoised video and step by step process of doing it


Imo This convo would probably end when it reaches 1000 messages

[Truthler]

Truthler paid too much for his camcorder and is now trying to prove its actually better than a mirror less/DSLR


He also won't send a good looking source video, denoised video and step by step process of doing it


Imo This convo would probably end when it reaches 1000 messages

I sent the source video too. Of course the uploaded files were deleted by the file sharing service after 2 days.

[Anonymous5394]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

[rrats]

Truthler, can you send us high quality h265 file that doesn't weight 9GB, screen recording of the denoising process and the high quality h265 output?

[Truthler]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

[Anonymous5394]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

Years since I last saw a Groucho film!😃
I see Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up? Pristine by all accounts!

[Truthler]

Truthler paid too much for his camcorder and is now trying to prove its actually better than a mirror less/DSLR


He also won't send a good looking source video, denoised video and step by step process of doing it


Imo This convo would probably end when it reaches 1000 messages

I already said, the sensor of DSLRs and mirrorless are not fit for video. That's why their sensor are not able to fulfill the 4K IMA tests in sufficent degree. IMA tests tell everything.

I won't buy still camera just to take some nice photos, and their sensor suck in 4K video (loss of details due tothe stressed denoising attempts of the still camera. Videocameras rulez.

[rrats]

Truthler paid too much for his camcorder and is now trying to prove its actually better than a mirror less/DSLR


He also won't send a good looking source video, denoised video and step by step process of doing it


Imo This convo would probably end when it reaches 1000 messages

I already said, the sensor of DSLRs and mirrorless are not fit for video. That's why their sensor are not able to fulfill the 4K IMA tests in sufficent degree. IMA tests tell everything.

I won't by camera just to take some nice photos, and their sensor suck in 4K video (loss of details due tothe stressed denoising attempts of the still camera. Videocameras rulez.

1. Its not 2013 anymore

2. Truthler, can you send us high quality h265 file that doesn't weight 9GB, screen recording of the denoising process and the high quality h265 output?

[Truthler]

Truthler paid too much for his camcorder and is now trying to prove its actually better than a mirror less/DSLR


He also won't send a good looking source video, denoised video and step by step process of doing it


Imo This convo would probably end when it reaches 1000 messages

I already said, the sensor of DSLRs and mirrorless are not fit for video. That's why their sensor are not able to fulfill the 4K IMA tests in sufficent degree. IMA tests tell everything.

I won't by camera just to take some nice photos, and their sensor suck in 4K video (loss of details due tothe stressed denoising attempts of the still camera. Videocameras rulez.

1. Its not 2013 anymore

2. Truthler, can you send us high quality h265 file that doesn't weight 9GB, screen recording of the denoising process and the high quality h265 output?

So it is not 2013 anymore? Aren't the individual pixels of a still camera too small to provide low noise signal?

Why should I making video about how I made video?

[rrats]

Why should I making video about how I made video?

Because you refuse to send us the denoiser values

[Truthler]

Why should I making video about how I made video?

Because you refuse to send us the denoiser values

Everything was posted by screenshots.There was no other operations in A.P.Pro, just NEAT video.

[DB83]

^^ Do you have a life beyond these trolling-inspired posts ?


I must ask this since you appear on-line in this forum 24/7 whereas others (even myself who has little to do during the day but to read the nonsense that you typically spew out) have more normal things to do.


You were asked some on-topic posts ago to provide the actual settings and not some screen-grabs that others may not be able to read - the ones supplied are hardly clear (well for me they are not)


And these setting are critical to prove your al-ready determined assertation.


Subtley, your whole topic is a mess. You made an original statement disguised as a question. Whereas you had already determined the answer.


And while I am at it.....


I guess your camera can not natively record at UT lossless. So that initself is a reencode.


And there is no point in uploading your result as lossless. If you do not understand this I suggest to read. it has been explained here more tan once.


And allow me to add another level. Whereas Scott may have over-reacted to your image you somewhat had a purpose in creating that which has no validity in either the past or present time. What, indeed, was your purpose in adding color to the head of Groucho ?


You had already made a baseless assertion that Scott, amongst others, views with glasses. But to confound your tirade with your image speaks highly of your opinion of other, more qualified, members than you.

[Truthler]

^^ Do you have a life beyond these trolling-inspired posts ?


I must ask this since you appear on-line in this forum 24/7 whereas others (even myself who has little to do during the day but to read the nonsense that you typically spew out) have more normal things to do.


You were asked some on-topic posts ago to provide the actual settings and not some screen-grabs that others may not be able to read - the ones supplied are hardly clear (well for me they are not)


And these setting are critical to prove your al-ready determined assertation.


Subtley, your whole topic is a mess. You made an original statement disguised as a question. Whereas you had already determined the answer.


And while I am at it.....


I guess your camera can not natively record at UT lossless. So that initself is a reencode.


And there is no point in uploading your result as lossless. If you do not understand this I suggest to read. it has been explained here more tan once.


And allow me to add another level. Whereas Scott may have over-reacted to your image you somewhat had a purpose in creating that which has no validity in either the past or present time. What, indeed, was your purpose in adding color to the head of Groucho ?


You had already made a baseless assertion that Scott, amongst others, views with glasses. But to confound your tirade with your image speaks highly of your opinion of other, more qualified, members than you.

At least 10-15 webpages are open in OPERA mobile browser on my Telephone, So I always seem "online".

Every camera with HDMI output can record lossless video, and with lossless compressors with this simple trick:



You must also have a good SSD in your laptop, which does not lose its performance during the recording. Many SSD-s works really fast until some minutes....
I use WD SSDs, they don't drope their performance.

[rrats]

And allow me to add another level. Whereas Scott may have over-reacted to your image you somewhat had a purpose in creating that which has no validity in either the past or present time. What, indeed, was your purpose in adding color to the head of Groucho ?

@truthler

[sophisticles]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

Years since I last saw a Groucho film!😃
I see Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up? Pristine by all accounts!

I can assure you it wasn't Neat Video.

[sophisticles]

You copied an image of a celebrity that's in the public domain.

No.

Yes.

[Truthler]

And allow me to add another level. Whereas Scott may have over-reacted to your image you somewhat had a purpose in creating that which has no validity in either the past or present time. What, indeed, was your purpose in adding color to the head of Groucho ?

@truthler

MAybe because my version was enough different, I didn't want to simply copy his avatar (if it is so important for him for unknown/ indistinctive reasons)

I even found the exact photo, what he used as model. Maybe that photo was in his book.

[Truthler]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

Years since I last saw a Groucho film!😃
I see Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up? Pristine by all accounts!

I can assure you it wasn't Neat Video.

Yes, it was.

[rrats]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

Years since I last saw a Groucho film!😃
I see Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up? Pristine by all accounts!

I can assure you it wasn't Neat Video.

Yes, it was.

I bet they also used VEAI to upscale it from VHS

[[ss]vegeta]

My God, this guy is almost a perfect troll.
I should read this forum more often besides Video Streaming Downloading.

[rrats]

My God, this guy is almost a perfect troll.
I should read this forum more often besides Video Streaming Downloading.

If Truthler is ALMOST perfect, then what makes for a perfect troll?

[[ss]vegeta]

If Truthler is ALMOST perfect, then what makes for a perfect troll?

The perfect troll is unrecognizable and it won't make people say "okay, I'm out".
Almost perfect because he has a lot of people still going.

[rrats]

Is that even possible

[lordsmurf]

I already said, the sensor of DSLRs and mirrorless are not fit for video. .

See also: "Digital will never replace film! (or tape)". How'd that work out?

That's why their sensor are not able to fulfill the 4K IMA tests in sufficent degree. IMA tests tell everything.

You're a measurebater. You'll gladly spend all day shooting test patterns, walls, etc. But not content. Some of us are busy actually using gear, not testing it 24/7. Nor having orgasms when it passes "tests" (nevermind that the test may be skewed, seeking a certain result with limited objectivity, or sometimes complete objectivity without the necessary artistic subjectivity).

Aren't the individual pixels of a still camera too small to provide low noise signal?

If you think that, you're not very informed.
Look at the still ISO performance here: https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z6-ii/4
Video is comparable.
It's amazing how high ISOs have come. I still remember having to push 800 film to reach grainy 3200. Now we have 3200 that looks like low ISO slide film. Something shot at a whopping ISO 12800 would only need minimal denoise.

Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up?

I can assure you it wasn't Neat Video.

Yes, it was.

... and we're back to batshit crazy again.

their sensor suck in 4K video ... Videocameras rulez.

It's ironic (to me) how we have audiences that nitpick amazing video shooting tech, and in the same breathe will capture VHS with an Easycap and no TBC (and make unviewable crap). Or instead of Easycap, butcher it with HDMI adapters. Complete lack of video perspective these days. You can't have it both ways. The real issue is that some people just like to complain (or defend their purchases, especially cheapskates), and cannot simply value these as tools for tasks. So emotional, I didn't realize the world had so many teenage girls.

Some tools are good, some not:
Avisynth = excellent, NeatVideo = mediocre to bad.
Mirrorless vs. camcorder is model specific, hard to draw generalities.
Easycaps, HDMI adapters = bad; lack of TBC = bad.

Why is this so hard?
Rhetorical. It's not. You just want to make it hard, for whatever ulterior (and trollish) motive.

[Anonymous5394]

I mistakenly thought Cornucopia's and now Truthler's photos were all part of some Robert Downey Jr Fan Club, but then realized he did that Charlie Chaplin film. Maybe it's an Einstein Fan Club trending next?

Groucho Marx - A Day at the Races - Dr. Hackenbush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixNUpUnwZpY

Years since I last saw a Groucho film!😃
I see Universal Classic Monsters are now out on 4K remastered beautifully. I wonder which denoiser/cleaning tools they used to clean these classics up? Pristine by all accounts!

I can assure you it wasn't Neat Video.

Industry likes to use its own proprietary tools.
Maybe they use something much, much better. 🤣