Use Auto GK or DGIndex to Demux to MP3 or WAV

[loninappleton]

This was the thing that sounded confusing:

... from page two in this thread

If you want to work with the wave file AutoGK creates manually, you'd need to copy it from the AutoGK temp folder to another location while AutoGK is converting it to MP3, as once the MP3 encoding has completed, it'll be deleted.

[manono]

There are designations for wide by two and for letterbox by two

The wides are for display on widescreen TV sets and the letterbox ones for old-style 4:3 TV sets. So, of the 4 subs you had, only two sets were different from each other in content. Sometimes DVDs will use the same subs for both TVs, sometimes a different one for each. But the content for the matching wide and letterbox is identical. The differences are in the font styles.

You're spinning your wheels here here. I suggested a week ago that when having trouble identifying subs to demux them yourself and check them out.

Another thing you can do is to extract the SUP files using PGCDemux and then open them in Subtitle Creator to see what they are. When you find the one you want, save it as VobSubs (IDX/SUP) and use them in AutoGK with the CTRL/F8 trick.

[hello_hello]

For preparation you described using AnyDVD in the background while decrypting. Is there any instruction on doing that procedure? Or is it load AnyDVD into the tray (as I have seen) and just running the decrypter program of choice such as DVD Shrink or DVDFab Decrypter?

Yeah just run AnyDVD in the background (running in the tray) and rip the disc with DVDShrink or DVD Decrypter etc. I'm not sure I'd use AnyDVD and DVDFab together. Well you shouldn't need to anyway. DVDFab should be capable of ripping all DVDs. DVDShrink and DVD Decrypter are out of date though, so they won't rip DVDs with newer copy protections correctly. For those discs I run AnyDVD in the background.
You can rip the DVD with AnyDVD (there's a menu from the tray icon) but I think it'll only rip the entire DVD, so I open the disc with DVDShrink instead and use it's reauthor function to rip just the movie or just the individual episodes etc. Very ocassionally that doesn't work (probably because AnyDVD needs updating) so then I rip with AnyDVD and open/re-author the ripped files with DVDShrink when it's done.

I know very little about DVDFab. It does have a free DVD ripper but I can't remember whether it'll only rip the whole disc or whether you can rip just the movie with it etc. I hadn't used DVDFab for years but I did download it to try a few months ago. All the different DVDFab "versions" seem to be included in a single "suite" these days and I didn't like it at all (most begin as trial versions, then eventually expire). It just seemed like an unnecessarily confusing mess to me.

This was the thing that sounded confusing:

... from page two in this thread

If you want to work with the wave file AutoGK creates manually, you'd need to copy it from the AutoGK temp folder to another location while AutoGK is converting it to MP3, as once the MP3 encoding has completed, it'll be deleted.

You probably realise now I was just referring to AutoGK deleting the intermediate wave file it creates after the wave file is converted to MP3.

[loninappleton]

I meant to respond here earlier. Yes, grab the WAV before reuse of the AGK routine which empties the temp folder. If you rename the target folder with something besides Video TS (default) I think that gets around the problem of things disappearing.

I've had good success using the preparation routine and AVI make routine in AGK.

And I've since done another hard subtitle job using the instruction in this thread. Guide making is slow though. And I don't know what is acceptable as a "style". I know I want to concentrate on Steps 1, 2 3, etc. for each process. It's still like the old saw about trying to tell somehone how to tie their shoes over the phone.

I did note that an effective normalization took place in one vid I did for practice in AGK. At this point I would say check all your volume controls in players to make sure your job is not trying to compensate for a too-low setting someplace.

[loninappleton]

This thread has gone in different directions and I'm going to contribute to that. It is however related to making a guide. I was reading the notes on style and I see that screen shots should be used. Sizing those things etc is a mystery since I have never used paint progs for anything but doodling as a salesman in the mid 1980's demonstrating home computer equipment.

A DVDShrink ReAuthor How-to should have at least two if not three screen shots.

I am going to include the Doom9 DVDShrink first time setup guide as a link as well.

For screen capture I have used Gadwin.
http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/

But there is likely something better which defaults to a small size jpg. I'll see if I can put a Gadwin Sample in the message that follows.

[hello_hello]

For screen capture you don't need a third party program, although if it works well it can't hurt. I've never used Gadwin myself.

Alternatively, just hit the PrintScreen button on your keyboard. That copies the entire contents of the screen to the clipboard. Or Alt+PrintScreen only copies the active window rather than the whole screen. From there you can paste it into an image viewing/editing program. Even Microsoft Paint.

I use Irfanview myself. It also has it's own screen capture function built in (under the Options menu) although I tend to do it the way I described. Once I've pasted the screenshot I just draw a rectangle around the part of the image I want to keep and use the Edit/Crop Selection menu to keep that while removing everything else. Irfanview will save images in all the common formats.

If you like using Gadwin, you can open the images it saves with Irfanview and resave them in another format.

[hello_hello]

PS. If you decide to try Irfanview, you might as well download and install the "all plugins" file too. That'll allow Irfanview to open just about every image format under the sun, as well as adding a few other functions.

[loninappleton]

Once again thanks for the response. I cross posted the sample I made to the other recent thread on DVD. It displayed as a link but not an image.

An email chum mentioned irfanview at the same time as yours in my mail alert from videohelp.

Good recommendations all around.

[loninappleton]

Still continuing to prepare a small guide (which may be obsolete by the time completed as thing progress) and I did install IRfanview.

Found the capture setup screen and the cntl+F11 key combination to capture the image.

I haven't captured anything yet. What setup complies with videohelp 50kb requirement for the screen shot? Default is 640x380. Any other setup/preference advice for this?

[hello_hello]

Where did you get the 50kb limit from? I've posted images larger than that. If they're large in dimension I think the forum automatically shows them as thumbnails in the post and clicking on them will open the full image in a new page. Or something like that.....

The three main formats supported by browsers are GIF, JPG and PNG.

As a general rule GIF is good for images with lots of straight lines and/or text but it's limited to 256 colours so you might see the colours change a little if you save to GIF.
JPG is good for pictures but can sometimes blur text or lines a bit.
PNG is lossless but can produce large file sizes.

If in doubt, save an image as a bitmap and then use Irfanview to resave it in other formats to compare the result/file size.

640x380 is just the default rectangle size Irfanview uses if you choose option 7. Personally I find it easier not to use the screen capture function and just create them the way I described earlier.

Hit the PrintScreen button on the keyboard to capture a screen shot to the clipboard (or ALT+PrintScreen to capture just the foreground window).
Open Irfanview and use "Edit/Paste" (or CTRL+V) to paste the clipboard image.
Click on the image and drag the cursor to draw a rectangle around the part of the image you want to keep. Use "Edit/Crop Selection" (or CTRL+Y) to remove everything else.
Save the image to whichever format you like.

[loninappleton]

The 50 kb limit came in the instructions for making guides at video help. I think written by baldrick.

I have uploaded the thumbnail style which is just a link to the image but the image should display as part of my guide.

What was my error if size wasn't the issue if I wanted the image to display rather than thumbnail? Does the image have to load from an image site in that case?

[hello_hello]

The forum's been a bit odd when it comes to inserting images lately. Sometimes they display as images, and sometimes only as attachment links. I don't know why. A couple of times when the images have only been added to a post as links, I've edited the post and deleted them. Then I've then edited the post a second time, inserted the images again and they've displayed as expected.

If that's the sort of thing you're referring to I think it's a forum oddness and nothing you're doing wrong.

[loninappleton]

The chief example I've used in the past is here:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/347485-How-to-reapir-audio-in-AVI/page2

On this page 2 of the thread post # 47 shows two images which came from
to the best of my recollection, afterdawn. I could not retrace my steps as to where the images came from or why they displayed so nicely. For any new guides that describe the use of Virtual Dub to replace audio streams (which I now understand better) these two images should be reused (unfortunately without attribution) and trimmed in the Irfan program to display just the program frame (crop it) and not the media image. I do not know how to freehand circles and arrows which highlight
the image from Virtual dub.

Is the link at #47 embedded in the website? I recall asking about this but then not following up on it til now-- right click or something. At least I could give attribution that way.

Using Irfan may be slow going.

[loninappleton]

Shazam,

I did right click in the image and there are a bunch of options, one of which is
" View Image Info" which took me to a thread I had on the same subject at afterdawn:

http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-4/use_virtual_dub_mod_to_merge_avi_with_a_new_audi..._track-936619/

The attribution could be given to that individual who replied.

But I don't know how I got the images to display correctly here at videohelp.

[loninappleton]

Continuing with fine tuning this process-- specifically of using DVD Shrink to prepare a DVD, I have noted the size-- usually pretty large in the analysis of the dvd to be 'shrunk.' Advice by hello_hello was given to select preference of output size way up to 50000. I ran into problems of disk space and so I lowered that default setting to what I felt was a good headroom above that shown on screen. Will this cause difficulties with the unused for this operation shrinking process of DVD Shrink?

Alternatively I can set up a 'work disk' to keep that 50000 setting.

[hello_hello]

Ideally, you don't want DVDShrink to shrink the DVD (re-encode the video) when you re-author it so you want to make sure the target DVD size is larger than the total size of the files you're opening. That's after you've also deselected any streams you don't want to keep etc. Setting the target DVD size to something large just means you don't need to think about it, but if it's larger than the files you're re-authoring it won't make any difference to the size of the "backup" whether it's set to 10000MB or 100000MB.

The main reason I set it to 50000MB is sometimes I add two or three DVDs to a single re-authoring job and save them as a single backup for encoding, and the large target DVD size means I still don't need to worry about DVD Shrink wanting to re-encode the video when I do.

[loninappleton]

Ok. One other question on these processes. I have one to add.

But before that I wondered why all the versions of Virtual Dub-- one which gets updated and the other does not. And they are different. The streams option cannot be set up or found in the newer version. What do updates mean for that program and is there any transportability to the newer updated version? This all seems complex and hard to keep straight.

The additional thing I wanted to add to these reauthoring procedures is splitting an AVI-- for instance at an act break where none was on an original. I have a guide again from afterdawn with some screen shots and showing a button to press, but it can't be that easy.

Curiously I have never gotten the hang of nor seen any actual video in the windows of Virtual Dub (I am using VDmod 1.5.10. 2 -- the beta 2542 shown in these threads and available at videohelp.com.)

I do not need any effects such as fade in's and so on but a slight screen pause would be good coming into the second part. In the meantime I'll peruse the afterdawn guide.

As to the size issue, I think setting up a work disk is needed to get around my current space problems.

[hello_hello]

There's been several variations of VirtualDub such as VirtualDubMod but none of them are maintained any more. The official VirtualDub is, but nothing seems to happen at a particularly fast pace. VirtualDub will do the same thing as VirtualDubMod with audio streams (from the audio menu) but it will only work with one at a time and it needs a plugin to open AC3 audio. It'll also extract audio from AVIs but it's done from the File/Export menu. I find VirtualDubMod easier to use so I mainly use it myself.

Editing AVIs without re-encoding is pretty easy but the edits can only be on keyframes so it's not always possible to edit exactly where you want to. If you hold down the shift button while using the navigation slider VirtualDub(Mod) will always stop on keyframes, or you can use the buttons on the navigation bar with keys on them to jump from one keyframe to the next. Once you set your start and end points you can delete that section of video, then use DirectStreamCopy as the video compression method to save it as a new AVI without re-encoding. There's no way to add effects such as fade-outs/ins without re-encoding.

You might want to also try Video To Video Converter. It has an ad remover under the tools menu. It'll open lots of file types, edit out parts of the video with a preview, then it'll resave what's left as a new file. The same rule applies..... it'll only cut the video on keyfrrames.

To actually see the video when you open an AVI, VirtualDub(Mod) requires the appropriate VFW (video for windows) codec to be installed. If you have AutoGK installed you should have Xvid, which I thought would also decode the video it encodes... at least. Under the VirtualDubMod Options menu, are Display Input Video and Display Output Video both checked? Other than that if you have ffdshow installed it should do the decoding for you. Does VirtualDubMod complain about not being able to find the required codec when you open an AVI with it? If it doesn't, it's probably just a setting rather than not having the right codec installed.

Ideally, if you want to edit the video, it's better to do it before it before you encode rather than after, but AutoGK doesn't have an editing function. There's ways around that if you want to encode with AutoGK, but it's a whole other story.....

[loninappleton]

Thanks for the reply. Another long chew for me to digest but progress continues.

If editing takes place after the DVD Shrink prep steps, then there will be two pieces on which the AGK, sound fixes if any and Virtual Dub steps are done separately? The extra steps are not a problem for me if the result is superior, and the end of file markers and so on place properly.

I will check the settings in VDubMod on your suggestion and practice with the slider.

[hello_hello]

If I wanted to edit video while encoding it (which I do regularly), I'd generally do it with MeGUI. I'd open the vob files (or other file types) in the usual way and let MeGUI index it and extract the audio. Then I'd use the script creator to add the usual cropping, de-interlacing and resizing etc as required, and save the AVISynth script. Once that's done, I'd open the script with MeGUI's AVS cutter. It'll display the video with a preview which you can use to specify multiple start and end frames for encoding. Using it is much like editing with VirtualDub. Once you've specified all the "cuts" it saves them to the script. You then load it for encoding and encode just the bits you want. AutoGK can't open AVISynth scripts directly and/or edit video, so if I wanted to use it for editing/encoding....... well there's workarounds involving AVISynth but it's a long story.

Another option would be to edit the vob files and resave the edited version for AutoGK to encode in the usual way. I can't say I've ever done it myself. I don't think DVDShrink would do the job, but a program like Video To Video Converter might. It can join files together, so you could probably join vob files with it. If it can't save the joined version as vob it'd probably save them as an mpeg or ts file (AutoGK can open those), then you could use it to edit the mpeg2 or ts file, resave it and open the edited version with AutoGK. Or hopefully someone else can suggest another method. I've never tired to edit/join vob files directly myself.

[loninappleton]

It seems like a big job.
MeGUI seems the way to go for many things. That 10 bit encoding for small file size uses MeGUI according to P2PDL.com.

The chapters of a standard video are based on a fixed size, yes? So I could not just carve out the last three of six vobs and expect the act break to be at that point.

If on the other hand I can mark the frame which is at 1 hr 34 mins and several seconds, then delete the front part and save as act 2-- something is missing. A second operation would have to save Act one.

I don't follow what happens in Virtual Dub Mod after marking the frame at the desired
part to separate.

[hello_hello]

If you want to split an AVI in half (for example) with VirtualDubMod, set the first edit point at frame 0, the end point in the middle somewhere, then use the File/Save menu (DirectStreamCopy). That'll save just the selected part as a new AVI. Change the end point in the middle to the start point, make the last frame the end point, and save that as a second AVI.
Or you can set the start and end edit points and delete the selected section instead, or use a combination of the two methods.

Chapters can be anywhere in the video. You can create a file and use it when encoding with the x264 encoder that'll ensure the encoder inserts keyframes at the chapter points. Then you'd know you can split the encoded video there. I haven't played with doing so much, but MeGUI can extract chapters from a DVD and convert them to a qpf file for you. http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings#qpfile

I'm still doubtful if 10 bit h264 will ever hit mainstream use. No hardware players support it. On the other hand if it's supported by h265 then for h265 players it might be a standard feature. Just my theory....

[loninappleton]

Here is an image of what the buttons look like:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/249731-Tutorial-Using-VirtualDub-Mod-to-Split-or-Sa...of-an-avi-File

Yes, your description makes more sense. There is the original work file and then two separate file pieces A and B. Twiddling a bit you could get some trailing black screen space by moving the end point further on the A part and back a bit on the B part to avoid the very sudden appearance of 'time up' as so often happens when the VLC cone appears.

I'll experiment with it today.

[loninappleton]

Might as well continue here as start new. I'm going to use some terms you probably aren't familiar with regarding use of VDubMod. The first is flippy skippy stuff. I think I loaded one of the comptest files of about 8 minutes and thought the prog was skipping and flipping through two hours and half worth of material. I have relocated the avi not in agk temp but the TS folder which shows the right length. With that accomplished I expect to be able to use the buttons as a conventional player and be able to go through this slowly.

The time index I noted on my viewing of the original for act break is 1:34:35 but I have to recheck that.

Is there a way I can step through frames or better yet enter the time index to avoid mousing around and getting eye twitches from screen jumps? The buttons, so far, have not been behaving for me.

[hello_hello]

If you've only been playing with the AVI AutoGK creates after the compression test then a short AVI which skips through small sections of the whole video is how it would look. The compression test is run by encoding a few frames every so often (ie 10 frames, then it skips the next 90, then encodes the next 10 and so on), usually totalling 5% to 10% of the whole video, and that's used as an average to calculate the expected quality for encoding the whole thing. The most accurate compression test would be to actually encode the whole video, but obviously that takes longer, so a percentage is used.

If you open an AVI containing the final encode, do you still have the same navigation problem?

[loninappleton]

Didn't mean to stall on this and having late reply. Yes the 'comp test or whatevs was the file loaded because it was the wrong size. I was operating new things too quickly and always afraid of screwing up in VDubMod and what little I've done with AVI synth way back when. It should smooth out at my next practice.

As to the question from above then there is no to go-to-timestamp or go-to-frame as a numeric input (?)

I have also found some addtional materials to help with Irfan view (which everyone seems to know about already but me.)

Will return soon with any progress.

[hello_hello]

As to the question from above then there is no to go-to-timestamp or go-to-frame as a numeric input (?)

If you're referring to navigating to a specific frame using VirtualDubMod, try Ctrl-G, or it's "Go to..." under the Edit Menu.
VirtualDub (at least the current version) has a Go menu and the option is Go/Go To Frame. It also uses the same Ctrl-G keyboard shortcut.

[loninappleton]

test

An attachment of a dvdshrink image

[loninappleton]

No good. This is what I hate about all this-- the image says it loaded then nothing. Also MY files-- what is it there for and what does it do? I tried that and it apparently does nothing.

Also if you had to do all that waiting for one image, you'd never get your guide done. Maybe that's why few do it.

By bmp straight out of the box for Irfanview is 804 kb.

Just tried it again. Well that's that. My intentions were good but I'm ready to bail.

[loninappleton]

Well it uploads the link (doesn't show until it posts). But still does not open. Which leaves the My Files option , or does it?