problems when converting and resizing

[shaktiIIIgta]

Hi, i ended up with a 720x304 .avi (xvid) SAR 2.368, PAR 1.00, as stated by gspot 2.70a

i used cinema craft encoder with this settings



ended up with this 4:3 video, but image is distorted



any help would be much appreciated, i used those settings because the following method has quality and is useful to me, any advise would be appreciated as well: i usually end up with a 4:3, 25 fps video which i put into DGPulldown and chose 25->29.97 to "cheat" to TMPGEnc Authoring works 4, this authoring program kindly identifies this video as NTSC and let just add my ac3 without any problems in sync

thanks
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[shaktiIIIgta]

eh.. bump... sorry but does anyone have a clue ? thanks

[guns1inger]

Your problem is that you are putting a square pixel image into a non-square pixel video without adjusting for the change in PAR.

You have an older post that you started a couple of years ago that answers your question : https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/297456-resizing-help?p=1815740#post1815740 : short answer - avisynth and fitcd

[shaktiIIIgta]

im so sorry for this, i think i didnt search enough in this site or the tools i intend to use now are newer/different and didnt land there, thanks for the old thread link

by the way i hope im doing it ok now, opened the .avs with cce sp2, it opens ok, but cce sp2 reads the file as 720x576, i resized its output frame to 720x480 and i ended with pillarboxing


script is

start script------

# -= AviSynth v2.5.8.5 script by FitCD v1.2.8 =-
AVISource("I:\FILE.avi")
BicubicResize(688,320,0,0.6,2,0,716,304)
AddBorders(16,128,16,128)
#Trim(0,171295).FadeOut(150)

script end----

[Alex_ander]

but cce sp2 reads the file as 720x576

That's from your script: 320+128+128=576

I'd recommend to encode it as 16:9 (in case of 4:3 you'd need to reduce image height to ~270).
Here are 2 versions of resizing.

#original 720x304 to 720x480 (16:9)
AVISource("I:\FILE.avi")
LanczosResize(704,360).AddBorders(8,60,8,60)
#LanczosResize(720,368).AddBorders(0,56,0,56)
ConvertToYUY2()
#encode with 16/9 setting


Set 720x480 (zero borders) for both input/output in encoder.

[lordsmurf]

Translation: "I have an expensive piece of pro software that I downloaded without paying for, and in addition to that, I have no idea how to use it."

Tools like CCE were never developed with the downloader/pirate workflow in mind -- it was made for a professional video workflow.

[shaktiIIIgta]

thanks, tried both of them and noticed the border in the first option, encoded as 16:9 as you said. If would choose to encode to 4:3 though, which would be the script ?

if i got it right options were:

1st:
#original 720x304 to 720x480 (16:9)
AVISource("I:\FILE.avi")
LanczosResize(704,360).AddBorders(8,60,8,60)
ConvertToYUY2()


2nd
#original 720x304 to 720x480 (16:9)
AVISource("I:\FILE.avi")
LanczosResize(720,368).AddBorders(0,56,0,56)
ConvertToYUY2()




and is there any calculator or handy software i can use to get to know those ind of resizing sizes ? i used fitcd but as you saw, borders were added


thanks

[shaktiIIIgta]

Translation: "I have an expensive piece of pro software that I downloaded without paying for, and in addition to that, I have no idea how to use it."

Tools like CCE were never developed with the downloader/pirate workflow in mind -- it was made for a professional video workflow.

because workflows vary person to person, i chose to aquire that soft because of the speed, not that i have to be billgates or torvalds to use an OS ...key concept was square pixel video, so if you get me a guide for conversions, resizing, including what kind of pixels (squared or whatever), suggesting tools, or suggesting a fast workflow for converting/resizing a movie/video, workflows would change

[guns1inger]

FitCD did what you told it to do. Obviously you told FitCD your target output was PAL, not NTSC, hence the frame size and borders. FitCD is still the right tool for this job - you just have to take the time to configure it correctly.

[shaktiIIIgta]

thats much more useful, thanks so much guns1linger, unchecked PAL option in fitcd program, used this script

# -= AviSynth v2.5.8.5 script by FitCD v1.2.8 =-
AVISource("I:\FILE.avi")
BicubicResize(720,288,0,0.6,14,0,692,304)
AddBorders(0,96,0,96) // i opted for 0 blocks overscan in fitcd to give me 0 borders
AssumeFPS(23.976, true) // i had doubts here, but didnt erase this line and video was resized fine, 0 borders, 4:3, 25fps in mgpg2 encoder
#Trim(0,171295).FadeOut(150) // dont know what this lines mean


thanks so much, movie converted right

[manono]

dont know what this lines mean

It doesn't mean anything since it's commented out (has a '#' in front of it). You can just delete the line.

Did you really set the encoder to 25fps? Then I guess you know you apply DGPulldown afterwards set for 25->29.97fps. And you remove the 'AssumeFPS(23.976)' line from the script. And like Alex_ander, I think I'd also encode for 16:9.

[shaktiIIIgta]

thanks manono, true, i saved the .avs with that last line commented and used it like that, and yeap, i applied DGpulldown aftwerwards, that really nice sotware is very useful and let me input the video in the dvd authoring app without the need to slowdown the ac3 audio

thanks, yes i think i'll re-encode, this time i'll chose 16:9 instead of 4:3, i've never encoded this source aspect (2.35:1 anamorphic i think) to 16:9 and seen it in my old crt 4:3 tv lol

[guns1inger]

Encoding it 16:9 won't make it any larger on your 4:3 TV unless you also crop off the ends of the image. 2.35 inside a 4:3 frame has the same size black bars on playback as 2.35 inside a 16:9 frame. However you do get better value for your encoding, and therefore (usually) better quality.

[shaktiIIIgta]

thanks for the info guns1inger, i really didnt know that, ive always encoded as 4:3, and now ive seen that looks the same, ive just finished burning the disc

thanks for helping you all, guns1inger Alex_ander and manono