DVDs and Labels put on them???

[mdunakin]

I have heard one of these what could be a myth, what sounds like a myth, but I want to be sure, that if you make a label for a DVD that somehow this can ruin it or do something bad or whatever, is any of this really true?
And if so, why and how exactly would putting a simple label on a DVD/CD be a bad thing?
And if they are sooo bad, then why are there so many labeling kits and what nots available out there?

I have heard of this urban legend type of thing in the past but never paid much attention to it, because I never put labels on anything, until now I want to start doing that for some of my home made DVDs.

thanx very much for any and all REAL info on this subject............md

[mr_tinka]

I've been putting labels on my CDs and DVDs since I got my first burner. They have never caused me any problems. I would recommend labelling the disks after they've been burned.

[mdunakin]

Thanx for that really fast reply!

I plan on doing just that, but still am kinda curious as to "why" this myth was ever even around in the first place?
I kept thinking, maybe older labels were thicker or something?
Or maybe people blamed problems from unballanced placed labels?
Or maybe the clamp that clamps the DVD into place, wouldn't clamp it right or something when there was a label in place?

Anyway, thanx, I can't wait to start making my very first DVD labels and all!

I got that little spindal thingy and my labels and my label software and all that, so i hope I do it all right? LOL

thanx..................md
P.S. I LOVE this web site! and the forums!

[LSchafroth]

I've always labeled my DVD's and never had a problem with them.

LS

[jameshgross]

I have been using the Memorex labeling system for many years. Never had a problem with the dvd. Two things to remember 1. make sure the label is COMPLETELY dry. 2. Always use the applicator to mount the label.

[laspis59]

It definitely dont help to put sticky labels on DVD media.Some people have no problems but there are many that do.I would say its a fact.Labelling tools are available to make more money they dont care if you cant playback your DVD.

It is safest to just use a CD/DVD marker pen,even though it dont look so pretty.

[j1d10t]

You might want to check this out: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=430829#430829

I have never had a problem with labels, and I've been using them for about 5 years. Some people I know have had problems, others haven't.

[Dr. DOS]

Some players do experience problems with labels. I burned a DVD for Dear ole Dad and it failed with a label and worked fine without. Same disk type, same files, same burner. To test the theory we then applied a label to the disk that was working and it then failed.

Litescribe, Sharpie and inkjet printables is really the safest way to go.... but if it works on your player, use 'em

[overloaded_ide]

OH NO, Not this debat AGIAN!!
It is NOT a MYTH!

Maybe there are some better thin labels now adays than what people were using in the older days, but depending on the labels, the user, and the disks, even the players the disks are used in, labels can/did/ and have messed up DVD R disks for people, it is NO MYTH!

I have burned disks, know they were great disks and working perfect. I gave them to a freind who played them and they worked perfect in his player. They were his Camcorder tapes of his kids I put on DVD for him. Well he loved the DVD's and wanted them to look nice. I gave him working disks that played perfect, a week later I was giving him another set of disks! He put fancy pretty labels on the first set and for some reason they stopped working! I think that was about a year ago or so.

Athough I never used lables on DVDs myself I know people that have and many of their disks were trashed afterwords. Like the guy I mentioned above.

The reasons for not using Labels on DVDs is as long as my arm! Although they may work for some people and some disks, far more people have had problems in the past than success. Maybe some of the newer labels are better, or maybe players alough more errors , who knows I never looked at them that close, maybe some people are just luckier than others also?
I preffer printing mine. Faster easier and cheaper, less room for error! I have a stack of old labels for CD's and I don't even mess with labling those now, I just buy printable disks intead.
I gave the kid the labels and kit, I buy the free after rebate cheapo house brand CD-Rs still sometimes for her to burn music too, the stuff that won't last long (couple months) before a disk is trashed goes on the free disks. Good stuff goes on printables.

HUB Printable CD's just cost me $19/100
Hub Printable Ty Yuden DVD-R cost me $32/100.
Non-printable disks plus labels would cost me more for a decent brands and more time and trouble to apply labels, with room for errors also.
You use the same amount of ink rather a label or a disk is being printed so no reason to figure it as any extra cost. But I paid $15 for all 6 after market cartriges for the Epson R200 printer.

Why not use labels other than extra cost and time?

CD-R's are made different than a DVD R. The label can ruin a DVD top surface and destroy it, a CD does not rely on that top surface for reading like a DVD R does. Some glue chemicals can eat that top area basicaly.

You can't really peel a label back off, most the time it probably will mess up the top. So an error can trash the disk. Make sure they go on perfect the first time, you probably won't get a second chance.

CD-R you can get the label a little off center and it still works fine, the same thing ruins a DVD R!
Think about it, a CD and DVD are the same size, A CD only holds 800MB a DVD holds 4.7gig! Although there are other reasons also for the size difference you can imagine how big a Data path is for a 800MB CD and how TINY the data path for a 4.7GIG DVD when you compare the two!
I have had a CD out of balance that shook a computer and buzzed like a BEE, I still made a new copy of it just fine! I have got a few used ones with chips at times. Anyway the point is a DVD R would have never read like that at all, but I did backup the broke CD just fine. A label a bit off center can have the same effect as a little chip. Also beware of chips CD's, they can and will explode in a drive sometimes!

Hey I used to make my own labels for CD's also. I don't mean print on store bought labels, I mean I printed on good paper then used a spray adhesive on the back side to mount the "LABEL" onto the disk after cutting it out. THAT is making a label! All of those CD's still work. I would never do that with a DVD though!

Heat was another issue about labeling a DVD R disk. If you use those paper type labels many people said the disk is warmer after playing it than a disk with no label. The label seams to hold heat in the disk, recordable disks can die from heat. Basically they are Recorded using heat right!
Over a period of time you might just burn out the DVD R disk. Some players will heat a disk more than others also. I have takin disks out of some players that were almost hot, not just warm, after normall playing. With a label holding in heat maybe a DVD R would have fried or maybe not? Or that heat might have softened glue holding a label? You wont know untill it happens.

If a label comes loose in the drive while playing, I geuss you could kiss that drive goodbye maybe. Heat softens most adhesives and over time you might loose a label.

Lots of other things.

The high cost of labels and the low cost of printable DVD R media I would just spend a few dollars on a printer and print disks. Hey, that's right I have 3 disk printers here, 5 if you count the 2 lexmark mods I made before buying an Epson R200

The Epson R200 Does great disks, I paid a little over $100 for it years ago, the ink costs a fortune if you buy new Espon Carts, but after market work well for most people, I just bought all 6 carts for $15 but not installed them yet. I only used this printer for disks and still on the original tanks though they are now showing empty. It works great on other stuff but I preffer Canon Printers to refill easy. The Espon tanks do not refill, but after market types might, and for sure I can buy refillable ones but I don't use alot of ink on this printer just doing disks.

Canon IP models like the IP4200 print well on disks. If in USA you have to make a minor mod pressing buttons and pop off a little black slot cover, buy the tray seperate or make your own. I have 2 of the IP4200 printers, bought them brand new and under $100 for both including the shipping, so less than $50 for a disk printer itself and the trays cost about $15-$20 on Ebay.
I made my own trays which work very well. Being I have 2 printers and need more than one tray I have ordered 2 trays. It's easy to make the trays, but getting both trays centered exactly the same is not easy. Not a problem for one tray since you can print a test disk and adjust the settings to center it, but 2 trays not the exact same do not use the same settings to center.


Printed disks look far better than most labels I have seen, like on CD-Rs and you do not have the problems with them that you "MIGHT" have with labels on DVDs.

If you do label DVD R disks I would just do a couple, play them ALOT and in various players for testing before doing a bunch of them. You might not have any problems but you easily could have. Best to find out on 2 or 3 disks before doing 50 disks!

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[rdivincenzo]

I also had a problem with labels but I found this site that has very thin labels almost like cellophane and when I use these I don't have any player issues. The label are a little more expensive but they work great. Also they're clear so your disk has to be non-logo on the top and the labels I print look like a hologram on top of the disk, kind of cool looking. Good luck
Here's a link to where I bought the labels it's the best price I could find. Let me know if you find them any cheaper. Thanks
http://www.data-labels.com/crclnemefocd.html

[TBoneit]

And I avoid labels.

I have 2 Sony changers in the house and the manual has specific note not to label and discs that will be put into the changer. Read your player(s) manual(s).

So I sharpie or use printable media.

OTOH if you have a cheapo $20 player you don't care about damaging if the label peels feel free. And yes I have seen labels come off. Those DVDs get hot playing and a label is insulation on top of the disc. Hopefully the label maker used high quality adhesive.

I have also seen CDs come apart in the drives. Sometimes We can open the drive and remove all the pieces and the customers drive is still good, more likely not tho.

Cheers

[Dr. DOS]

OTOH if you have a cheapo $20 player you don't care about damaging if the label peels feel free. And yes I have seen labels come off. Those DVDs get hot playing and a label is insulation on top of the disc. Hopefully the label maker used high quality adhesive.

Good point ... my DVD player in the VAN is a automatic player ... if a label came off I'd be screwed.

[mdunakin]

Hmmm... well, thanx all!
I really didn't expect to get anywhere near this many replies on the subject and also, sorry if this topic has already been brought up trillions of times in the past, i did a search and found siltch!
So, I asked

As for the laser and heat, this part is wrong.
CDs and DVDs all work the same.
They work from "light" just like film does.
But not from heat.
Now of course, letting a CD/DVD get too hot isn't a good thing, as it's plastic and will get warped, but that is a given.
I actually seen some idiot on the road driving and they had this flap thingy on their visor and the sun was at an angle so they had to use the visor.
Of course, this meant that their little CD holder flap thingy was now right in the sun getting directly cooked from the sun! LOL
Oh well.
I wanted to flag them down just to inform them, but of course I didn't.
They'll just have to find out the hard way LOL

Umm... and of course, the whole reason I am hear asking about this stuff, is because I DO NOT like the crappy, crummy, cheapo look of just writing on the disk with a stupid pen.
Looks totally cheezy!
That's why I wanted to start putting labels on the disk that matter to me, the rest taht are just data backups and all, I could care less about those, but my nice DVDs and especially ones that have my animations I have created on them, I want nice clean decent looking DVDs.
Labeling will do this.
Now of course, if I do start to run into problems, then I will probably have to start thinking about buying a CD printer, but sheesh, that's another flippin item I have to find a place for in my office where I already have no space on desk/work areas.

Anyway, I really appreciate all the great info from all of you and it gives me some bearings on what to expect.

Oh, and the labels that I just got in yesterday, seem to be really, really thin.
So thin, that I had to double check to make sure that there were really labels on there, because I couldn't even feel them! LOL

......................md

[AlanHK]

A a sticky label is asking for trouble.
If I take a disc out of a drive after playing it, it's hot. Glues can be heat resistant, but how sure are you that that's what is on your label? After a while it must lose adhesion. DVDs and CDs are supposedly good for centuries. I doubt many labels are similarly rated. Read the small print on the box. Do you see a guarantee, or a disclaimer?

And note that disc drives are faster every year. That means the discs spin faster, and if the label is a millimetre off centre, it will make the disc wobble, stressing the disc and the drive.

If you want professional looking discs, get printable ones and a printer.

Personally, the only time I look at the actual disc is which I'm fishing it out of a box. All I need to see is the title. I spend some time making a nice menu screen as that's what I'll actually be looking at, not the disc inside the player.

[FulciLives]

Don't be a dumb ass trying to be kewl.

Sticky labels cause problems and can ruin discs.

Known fact. Not bullshit. Putting a sticky labels on your discs will cause issues ... if not today ... then someday soon.

You will regret ever doing this if you do decide to do it.

Just don't do it.

Damn this is like an anti-drug message, huh? LOL

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[overloaded_ide]

As for the laser and heat, this part is wrong.
CDs and DVDs all work the same.
They work from "light" just like film does.
But not from heat.

Yes and No.
You only see in the room at night because your eyes work by the light you have turned on, not by heat, now go grab that 100watt bulb with your hand after it has been on for an hour! Feel the heat?

Light is heat, makes heat, is absorbed as heat, or however you would like to say it.
So no, you don't hold a candle under a disk to make it work by heat, but yes the laser is light and the disk does get hot!

Why do we call it burning a disk? We don't hold it over a candle or other open flame :P
Because the Dye in the disk is heated with a laser and basically burned to a point. This is the same laser that is used to read the disk, but at a lower level of power and thus lower heat is produced. But the heat is still there. Basically the same laser in a player as in a burner, it just never runs at a power high enough to burn a disk.

Personally, the only time I look at the actual disc is which I'm fishing it out of a box. All I need to see is the title. I spend some time making a nice menu screen as that's what I'll actually be looking at, not the disc inside the player.

Lot's of people say that, but not everyone is so neat as to never have a disk laying around loose.
Funny just how many disks I see out of cases in people houses. And some of those people also say the same thing about never seeing the disk anyway, YA right! I seen 15-20 scattered around their TV area and coffee table, are they blind??? They live there, I was there 20 minutes, I saw them!!
I really don't care about their disks not being printed of course, I just think it's odd they never see the disks laying around loose all over the house like that. Maybe if they were printed nicely they would see them laying out and put them away???

If I want to travel and take disks with me I do not mess with 100 cases, I have a 160 disk holder like a 3 ring notebook. So nice to just flip through the disks fast and find the one I want by the picture on it, not have to sit there reading every single disk title one by one till I find it.

Just for kicks it's nice when someone says " Wow nice stuff" instead of "Hey man those look like Sh..", but then I don't have the neatest writing either.

[mdunakin]

Who's trying to be "kewl"?
Not me LOL
And you don't need to make me out a dumb ass.

I just happen to like things to look nice, especially when I'm handing a disk with something nice I've created on it to a friend or who ever.

Nothing to do with being "kewl" (and gag, I hate that lame way of spelling cool, so teenager-ish LOL).

Here's some facts too, my friend who got me wanting to do this in the first place, because all the disks she has ever sent me, always looks nice with her neat labels on them and she told me tonight that she's been putting labels on her disks for over 5 years now and has never once had anything bad happen yet.
Disks usually get scratched long before most people have a disk for 5 years LOL

Anyway, I was asking a ligitimate question, cuz I'm new to the whole DVD bit, not computers or data DVDs/CDs.

And yes, I am aware of the heat that comes on the DVDs when I pull them out of the player, never seems all that hot to me, sort of pretty warm, but not hot.
I have bumper stickers on my truck, the longer the HOT sun has baked on them, the "better" they tend to stick, not the other way around. But yes, I DO understand the difference and what you are talking about, just making an example is all.

I'll do some tests on some disk and see what happens?
If things seem like they will be fine, like I'll leave the same disk in the HOT DVD player none stop for several days and see what, if anything, happens to the sticky and the plastic DVD?

One thing I have gathered from this little poll here, is that either people totally have never had any problems and support the label idea, or it's on the other end of the spectram and people say never to do it.

Anyway, "again" thanx all for your opinions on the subject, even with the unnessisary language LOL

..............md
P.S. Yeah, I knew that yes, the light does make heat, I just didn't want to get into a whole technical thing on that subject was all LOL
I just was meaning that the heat alone is not really what burns them.
It's a foto type material on them.
I kinda figured someone might point that part out to me, but like I say, I didn't want to get all into the actual details about such things, as the main thing that was being pointed out was that somehow the slight amount of warmth that comes from inside the player was going to melt the glue on the stickers (labels) and all the rest that was being said about the heat.

[mdunakin]

Just for kicks it's nice when someone says " Wow nice stuff" instead of "Hey man those look like Sh..", but then I don't have the neatest writing either.

Yeah and also, I am an animator and I would never hand any client a disk with my crummy so called hand writing on it LOL
I'd look like a total joke!
But I'm not some company bigshot person who has money to go out and buy some fancy special printer that can only do one thing, print DVDs just for the sometimes printing a few DVDs.

Anyway, for those who don't agree with labels, at least wish me luck!
Or you can still call me a dumb ass LOL
Which ever floats your boat

Gonna try makin my first one tonight, fingures crossed X X

..........md
P.S. I'll let ya all know how my first attempt turns out.

[VegasBud]

Everyone will (and should) do as they please, but if someone is going to use adhesive labels, then they should at least consider the advice given by OSTA on the matter:

...be careful as any adhesive label can potentially upset the balance of a disc when playing back. This is especially true at high speeds, resulting in excessive noise, vibration and data retrieval problems. Heat, humidity, sunlight, handling and the passage of time can also compromise the stability of adhesive labels resulting in separation from the disc surface and even interference with the drive. Sticky labels may not be the best choice when archiving important data as some types of label adhesives can react with and undermine the disc over time. Remember too that, once applied, labels should never be removed or repositioned. Even smoothing air bubbles can concentrate physical stresses in a small area and potentially damage the disc.

This advice only applies to adhesive labels, not hand written, inkjet, or thermal transfer labeling. Since OSTA members account for "more than 85 percent of worldwide writable optical product shipments", I would think their advice is worth listening to.

[mdunakin]

If you do label DVD R disks I would just do a couple, play them ALOT and in various players for testing before doing a bunch of them. You might not have any problems but you easily could have. Best to find out on 2 or 3 disks before doing 50 disks!

Yeah, this is what I plan on doing.
But then I would do that with any new thing I haven't tried before, just because that's how I do things, I like to make sure things really are going to work right before I ruin a ton of stuff... and that comes from ruining a ton of stuff in the past of course LOL

And thanx too for your thorough explinations and all.

I do have some more questions for you on the printers, if you don't mind, as I am still open to other ideas besides what I am currently getting set up for.
Which BTW, I did just make my very first label and it fits perfectly on the DVD and you can barely tell that I have a label on the thing!
Really turned out nice, I must say I am a happy camper so far
But, I still am researching into other things, as I always like to be sure of what I want to settle on?

Which brand do you like best?
Which brand that is also best but won't cost a poor soul like myself who's on a fixed income a fortune?
Which printer will allow me to print a test print on something othr then just a blank disk, if any?
Cuz that is something I noticed got left out of the whole printer method, was, you don't seem to have the luxury of testing out the print FIRST before you go and print up a disk!?
Or do you just have to hope like heck that your disk turns out right on the first try?
Now THAT would be a scary thought! LOL
And how many millions does refill ink cartridges cost, and I mean compared to a typical home 3-in-one printer like I have right now that works like a little charm?
It's one of them HP 3-in-one printers

thanx some more............md

[mdunakin]

Here's my very first label, yay!

Using the Spindal made it all easy too.

Anyway, here's the link:
http://www.md-arts.com/u/Terri_Erwin_Disk_01.jpg

And I still look forward to more info on the disk printers

............md

[AlanHK]

Personally, the only time I look at the actual disc is which I'm fishing it out of a box. All I need to see is the title. I spend some time making a nice menu screen as that's what I'll actually be looking at, not the disc inside the player.

Lot's of people say that, but not everyone is so neat as to never have a disk laying around loose.

If I want to travel and take disks with me I do not mess with 100 cases, I have a 160 disk holder like a 3 ring notebook. So nice to just flip through the disks fast and find the one I want by the picture on it, not have to sit there reading every single disk title one by one till I find it.

You were quoting me. I was talking about me (indicated by the "personally" introducing it).
If you find it faster to decipher pictures rather than your own handwriting, maybe you could work on your penmanship. Or put them in alphabetical order.

Leaving loose discs around is a bad idea regardless of whether they have a label or not. If you want to decorate your house with coasters, that's your choice. If you want to be able to use the disc in the future, don't handle them more than absolutely necessary and keep them in a box out of the light.

To repeat myself, if you want a pretty disc, get printable ones and an inkjet capable of printing on them.

[fritzi93]

No myth. Dunno about newer (non-paper) labels, but full-face paper labels are a bad idea. My own conclusions are :

1) Disc temperature is raised in the player, it's unavoidable. The polycarbonate expands, however slightly.
2) The label does not expand, if anything it puts the disc under tension. The tension is not counter-balanced, the label being on one side only. This leads to "dishing". Paper, unless totally encapsulated, WILL have a moisture content, heat will make it tend towards contraction. "Dishing" may distort the disc beyond the capability of the lens to focus properly.
3) At any rate, empirically, the prime symptom is difficulty reading the outside of the disc, which agrees well with the above.
4) There is also the question of centering the label exactly, so the disc is not unbalanced radially.

The above applies to full-face paper labels, hub labels do not have the same problems. Or rather I've seen no reports that they do. I use hub labels myself, but agree that printables are a better solution. Again, all this may not apply to newer labels.

[Richard_G]

There is no need to buy a printer specifically for printing discs. You no doubt already have a printer and, if it is more than a year or so old, is probably obsolete. So, treat yourself to a new printer but get one that can print on discs as well as paper. Most of the Epson range will do it and so will the Canons (but as you are in the US, you can't buy a Canon that can out of the box, it has to be modified).

I supply discs to hundreds of different people who will be playing them on any number of different players. Every disc has to have the best possible chance of playing perfectly every time. For that reason I bought a printer that can print on the discs, the fact that it can also print letters and pretty impressive looking photos too, means I only have to have the one printer.

[dcsos]

Ok I admit some DVD's are designed to die

No, I'm not talking about those SELF-DESTRUCTING ones, either

I mean the kind you mail out hundreds of for BUSINESS REASONS
these may deserve to die after serving there usefullness in a blitz campaign or p/r effort
So go ahead..use a paper label on these goners!

OTHERWISE..do as the archivists do
1. Use INJET Optical Discs
2. Use Thermal Printing
3. SANFORD MARKERS-eg SHARPIE

[creakndale]

mdunakin,
Nice looking adhesive label. Although, you might want to double-check the spelling of "Irwin".

I've been studying the disc labeling debate for the past 6 months reading everything I could find. Up until recently, I used a Sharpie but wanted something more professional looking. I didn't want to go the paper label route due to warping, releasing, unbalanced disc, etc. which leaves thermal printers, inkjet printers, or Lightscribe.

Living in the low humidity Southwest, I have had terrible problems with clogged ink cartridges. My first bubblejet was virtually impossible to clean because the heads were part of the transport mechanism and couldn't be removed. The next inkjet printer had the printhead built into the cartridge which was removable but still required manual cleaning if I didn't use the printer for over a week. Thus, I vowed to never buy another inkjet printer as long as I live in an arid climate.

So for me, that left either a thermal printer or Lightscribe drive. Last month I finally bit the bullet and purchased a Lightscribe drive with the 20 pack Verbatim media. I installed the Extended Label Contrast Utility as I'm looking for the best quality and can sacrifice the extra labeling time. The results? Very impressive. I was worried about potential blurriness or lack of contrast that others have experienced. My experience thus far has been acceptable contrast with very crisp images and text. The shades of gray on gold look fantastic. No regrets whatsoever. Some people say Lightscribing fades over time so I will be monitoring this possible negative effect.

[mdunakin]

creakndale, finally, a little sound advice that doesn't seem to be sooo one sided, like practically every other reply I've seen here!
Thanx!

"You" came off far more reasonable then pretty much anyone else here, I appreciate that.

I too live in the dry type climate of San Diego CA and in fact have a dry sore throat right now LOL
But seriously, I have had many issue with my ink jet HP with what always seemed to me as the stupid crtridges drying up on the heads or even for that matter drying up altogether inside, if that is even possible?
But I buy new ink carts and barely get to use them and they are already no good soon enough.
Now this mostly happens during the usual times that I don't use the printer, which is most of the time.
I do use the printer, but it tends to be in big sprts and THATS always when I descover the "fun" LOL

And BTW, aahrg!, I think you're right!, I think I spelt that wrong!? LOL
No biggie, that was an experimental disk anyway
I recorded that great interview with Terri on TV and I took a frame from out of the video that I really liked and felt said it all and put that on the cover.

BTW, to all those here who seem to be sooo anti paper labels and totally FOR the Sharpie, I have news for you all, those friggin Sharpies can ruin a disk just as fast as anything else!
So you need to beware of using those things just as much as if you used a paper label you all seem to be so much against.
The chemicals of what ever is in those pens, eats into some disk and later on you'll find fun problems with parts of those areas on the disk that you wrote on, being NONE READABLE anymore LOL
In fact, I ended up writing only in the center on disk if they don't have painted sides on them, which BTW, is the only kind I buy now for writing on.
If you buy the ones that used to be more prevelant that were blank and basically just chrome looking, and wrote on those, then I can bet loads of you found yourself a year later trying your darnedest to read those disk with no way to do it LOL
And THAT is not a myth either.

Anyway, back to the point here.
All this heat everyone keeps talking about that supposed warps the labels, has it dawned on anyone here that these disk are just stupid plastic and that it's just the crummy plastic that is being warped from the heat, NOT the paper on them?
And this whole bit about the paper off ballancing the disk and so forth, come on, they aren't even hardly spinning fast enough to cause any kind of centrifical force on the things LOL
It's not like they're spinning zillions on miles per hour like some high speed hard drive would, they're not anywhere even remotely close to spinning those kinds of speeds.
making out like they're somehow gonna become all wacked out from spinning around at slow rates of speed with a lable that is microns off center is really a joke.
Now if you are some dumb cluts who can't even figure out how to get a label centered, then you shouldn't be messin with things like that.
And again, the disk warping bit, that can happen on it's own whether you have a label on it or not.

But to creakndale, how long have you had that newest printer and how is it holding up for you and all?
And can you give me an exact model number so I can look it up on the net and do some of my own research?
I would really appreciate it, cuz there might still be some amount of truth the the label theories, though most of what I hear here so far just comes off as the typical exagerations of what supposedly "might or could" happen with no decent scientific proof or links to Tom's Hardward type of sites with erifutable, tested out by the pros, proof?
I get this same sort of mass hysteria in the 3D world in those forums from people who claim all sorts of nonsense that is nowhere on earth close to being true.
And I wouldn't mind so much of the anti labels speeches, if they didn't come off so much as just one sided and complete anti label and "seem" more like if they "did" have problems with their disk, that it could have just as easily been caused by something else that would have nothing to do with the labels.

Let me know what setup you use and which setups you tried in the past, so I can check into those areas too.

Thanx.....................md :

[schematic2]

http://www.memorex.com/html/support_search_faq_step3.php?qid=401

[mdunakin]

BTW, this whole subject has got me wanting to write in to the Myth Busters and let THEM test this subject out, both with paper labels and non-paper labels and no labels at all and the whole heat from within a player topic LOL

My DVDs always come out a bit warm and NEVER hot.
And deffinately not hot enough to melt any glues or anything and if they were hot enough to do that sort of thing, they would of bent the disk anyway with or without a label on them LOL

...........md

[mdunakin]

schematic2, thanx for that link

I'll check it out.

.....................................md