Putting a copyright on your dvds with Sony Vegas Pro 8.1?

[ingeborgdot]

I will be making some highlight dvds and want to know if there is a way to copyright them. I am using Sony Vegas Pro 8.1.

[gadgetguy]

Highlights of what? Assuming you are using all original material, you have copyrights as soon as you create your production. You can go the extra step and register your copyright with the copyright office, but it isn't necessary. Although registration may offer a measure of protection if someone steals your content and tries to claim it as their own, it's not a guarantee. But I believe it places the burden on the other party to prove that they created it first. (I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong on that point).

[ingeborgdot]

Of our football season. I don't really mean copyright either. I mean so they can't just go out and copy it and give it to others. I put in 48 hours of work on this and don't want it getting copied.

[gadgetguy]

Oh that's simple, don't hand it out to anybody.

[filmboss80]

You don't mean copyright, you mean copy protect. It can only be done if you take your master to a DVD replication factory (much $$$). For home burned DVD-Rs, there is no practical means of copy protection.

[gadgetguy]

There's a whole sticky on this subject in the DVD Authoring forum.
https://forum.videohelp.com/topic223640.html

[MOVIEGEEK]

Oh that's simple, don't hand it out to anybody.

Yep that's the only foolproof way.
Since you are the author you automatically have copyrights and the only recourse is sueing someone in civil court for copyright infringement.
If this is a non profit school activity then it probably falls under public domain.
(I am not a lawyer buy I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night)

[ingeborgdot]

Yeah, I didn't think there would be but I just thought I would ask.

[deadrats]

Of our football season. I don't really mean copyright either. I mean so they can't just go out and copy it and give it to others. I put in 48 hours of work on this and don't want it getting copied.

you know i wasn't going to say anything, but i just can't help myself: your attitude really sickens me. why? because you recorded an event participated by numerous people, who put in a lot of time, energy and practice, without which you wouldn't have the material with which to create a dvd, and then you want to try and prevent others from sharing a video memory of what they themselves were a part of. does that just about sum up what you want?

i don't care if you are the coach, a player on the team, a parent or just a spectator, the thought that you would actually try and claim a copyright to a recording of a public event and then actively try to prevent others from obtaining a copy of the dvd you created because "you put in 48 hours of work" is appalling. i guess the weeks of work the players put in actually playing the games doesn't amount to a hill of beans as far as you're concerned, it just sucks to be them, right?

it's too bad that it's against this forums rules to advise you to stick the dvd where the sun don't shine as a fool proof way of making sure no one else gets a copy of it, because that's just what i feel like telling you.

but as i said, it's against the rules, so i will refrain, what a bummer.

[Nelson37]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with a desire to be paid for work that has been done. I realize many think that everything should be free, I put it down to "young and stupid".

While there is no foolproof way to do this, there ARE several practical, feasible methods which can keep those who are both cheap and lazy from doing so.

[usually_quiet]

IMHO copy protecting your DVD won't get you much. As an adult, if another unrelated adult asked me for copies, my inclination would be to tell them that I had to pay for mine, and they should go buy their own if they want one. I think that would be the usual response to such requests.

If someone decides to make copies of the disk they bought so Grandma and uncle Fred can see junior's big play, accept it. Even if you did manage to successfully copy protect them, chances are that neither that someone, Grandma, or Uncle Fred would buy additional copies from you. Class pictures, which are not easy or cheap for the average person to copy in any way that is satisfactory, seem to work that way.

Kids would be more likely to copy them and pass them around, but they aren't usually the ones buying such things. Assuming they do buy them, judging by some things I see in these forums daily, at least one of them (or his brother, or his nerdy buddy) won't have any trouble at all defeating any copy protection you can employ, and will put it up on the Internet to boot.

Take orders, to be delivered on a specified date. Anything you get beyond the first group of orders should be considered a bonus.

[aedipuss]

this is all assuming you have purchased the video rights from the league to begin with. without the legal right to distribute in the first place you are the one who may get in legal trouble. just because you shot the video doesn't mean you have any rights to sell it.

[Supreme2k]

I don't begrudge the guy for trying to protect his work. I just find it funny that after three years here, he doesn't know the answer to this basic of all basic questions.

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[ingeborgdot]

This is from our high school football team. What freaking high school has a league that has rights as to what I can do. I have all these people want me to make a highlight video for them so I said ok. I get the films from the coaching staff and then spend many hours editing and making a highlight video for these people. I spent over 24 total hours making last years video and that was just an amateurish one. This years will probably take over 48 hours of work because I wanted to do something special. Is it bad to want to make a couple of dollars for my time. I charged $6 for each DVD. That included the DVD which was a printable one that I printed a neat cover for. It also included a DVD booklet which had a printed insert in. I figure I made $2 a DVD after all that and ink used. Why should I have to lose money because someone wants this done. I should say NO, take your DVD's to a professional. He will only charge $19 a DVD and it won't be any better than mine was.
I don't come on here very often, as I don't have the time is all that's why I did not know the answer to this basic of all basic questions. I really did know but was just checking to see if there was an alternative.

And for those of you that don't like me making a couple dollars an hour, fine. If this does not work out this year, I probably won't do it again. They asked me, I did not ask them. They can go somewhere else to get it done. I know for a fact that it will not get done.

[Nitemare]

Heed usually_quiet's advice. Take pre-orders and earn all that you can before delivering anything. Once the initial order is filled, you're done.

The only other way to make money doing this job would be to hire your professional (or amature) services out on a per-job basis.

I've been in a situation where my kid's coach finds out that I shoot/edit video and make DVDs and he wants a favor.... umm... let me think...NO! He even tried the old "maybe you could sell copies..." NO! You can hire me to do this work, or you can hire someone else... preferrably someone else. Once you do it, they expect it all the time.

You probably know this already since you did it last year... Next year tell him that you can make him a season highlight DVD for $348. That's 48 hours of work at minimum wage. (assuming the scheduled bump to $7.25 comes this year... that IS this year, right?)

If you're doing it because you love it, then share the love ... by offering pre-orders at $6 each. Nothing wrong with getting paid, sir. I've done dozens of favors but I'm done with all that. Now I don't lift a finger until the check clears. There's no shame in it. If it was "so easy" they'd do it themselves.

[deadrats]

This is from our high school football team. What freaking high school has a league that has rights as to what I can do. I have all these people want me to make a highlight video for them so I said ok. I get the films from the coaching staff and then spend many hours editing and making a highlight video for these people. I spent over 24 total hours making last years video and that was just an amateurish one. This years will probably take over 48 hours of work because I wanted to do something special. Is it bad to want to make a couple of dollars for my time. I charged $6 for each DVD. That included the DVD which was a printable one that I printed a neat cover for. It also included a DVD booklet which had a printed insert in. I figure I made $2 a DVD after all that and ink used. Why should I have to lose money because someone wants this done. I should say NO, take your DVD's to a professional. He will only charge $19 a DVD and it won't be any better than mine was.
I don't come on here very often, as I don't have the time is all that's why I did not know the answer to this basic of all basic questions. I really did know but was just checking to see if there was an alternative.

And for those of you that don't like me making a couple dollars an hour, fine. If this does not work out this year, I probably won't do it again. They asked me, I did not ask them. They can go somewhere else to get it done. I know for a fact that it will not get done.

you really have a brass set, don't you?

by your own admission you didn't even shoot the film, the coaching staff did, and they asked you to make a highlight film for them. furthermore, by your own admission, you are an amateur and the results, especially last year, show it.

on top of that, by your own admission, you did make a profit of $2 a DVD after all is said and done, so you have been paid for the amateurish work you did, right?

but in a display of disgusting greed, you want to try and prevent anyone from making a copy of the DVD they bought from you, so that you can make an extra 2 bucks for every extra DVD you can sell.

the funny thing is that the source film isn't yours, it's owned by whoever shot it and even he doesn't really own the rights to it since it's a recording of a public event, but that still doesn't stop you from squeezing every penny out of this that you can, how incredibly petty of you.

it's like i told a someone not so long ago, the fundamental flaw with capitalism is that it assumes the decency of man, when in reality most people will screw each other blind over the chance to make a few bucks.

thank you for proving my point better than i ever could.

[usually_quiet]

Even when I was in high school decades ago, I had to pay for a ticket to attend my school's football games. If tickets are needed, how is this a public event?

[minidv2dvd]

yes and lots of h.s. football games are broadcast on local tv. someone owns the rights, and most likely it's the h.s. state football association.

[AlanHK]

I will be making some highlight dvds and want to know if there is a way to copyright them. I am using Sony Vegas Pro 8.1.

Paste this onto the opening menu screen, the face of the DVD itself and the cover:

© 2008 ingeborgdot. All rights reserved.

Your DVD is now legally copyrighted.

[MJA]

just charge the school for 48 hours of work + material

[deadrats]

Even when I was in high school decades ago, I had to pay for a ticket to attend my school's football games. If tickets are needed, how is this a public event?

what high school did you go to? when i was in high school the games were open to the public and even today the stadium is in a county park and i every once in a while if i happen to be riding my bike and i see a game being played i stop and watch.

tickets to a high school football game? really?!?

[jman98]

deadrats - What high school did YOU go to, or more importantly, WHEN did you go? 40 years ago? 50 years? Geez man, I went in the late 70s and early 80s and we had to buy tickets to see the game. Well, I guess if you were really really cheap you might could have stood across the street and watched for free, but I don't know anyone who did. This is not unusual to have to buy tickets for a high school football game.

But I digress...

ingeborgdot - High school football is a REALLY big deal in some parts of the country like the southeastern US. They may claim ownership of the video you used and while I guess you could try to copy protect it (good luck with that, but we have old posts on the subject if you care to look) with some non-CSS methods yourself, ultimately you will learn that copy protection is really self-defeating. It just makes some people actually more inclined to steal your work and it doesn't work anyway.

[Dv8ted2]

Like so many others have eloquently said......it is not possible. End of discussion.

[ingeborgdot]

That's what I said earlier I did not think there was but was just curious. This deadcats is a real idiot. No wonder his name is deadcats. I just won't make a dvd for them if I don't make any money. Can he not read. They asked me to do it. So I should say yeah, I will spend 48 hours of my time doing this for you because you are just great. You are so full of .... deadcats it is coming out of your ...
I don't remember saying it was a bad video I just said amateurish. I mean I wish I would have done more cool things but it was still stand up and clap good when they got done watching. Actually it was very good you jerk. That's why they asked me to do it again and because it was going to cost them 19.99 a DVD to get it done. I have decided to not do it. I should not let the jerk deadcats get to me but right now I am steaming. Why don't you spend 48 hours of your freaking life doing this for free you idiot. Oh, you probably suck at it so they wouldn't ask you.
By the way I guess having a brass set is better than having none at all you girly boy. I will tell them tomorrow that I have decided against doing this and they will now have to pay $19.99 instead of $6. They know they won't get a better one than I did so that is why they asked. This way I won't make a penny and I will make deadcats happy. I guess he just cost them $14 bucks each.

[Nelson37]

As far as rights, the source video came from the coaching staff, rights is their issue.

As for tickets, every HS football game I ever went to or heard of sells tickets.

As for the quality of the work, takes something to make such an extreme judgment on something you have never seen.

I have found that those who are most scared by capitalism are those with no useful or marketable skills or abilities who must depend on a government to give them their value by stealing it from those who produce useful work. Stinking vermin is a good name for such people.

Now, as for the video, if the school wants it done, let them market it and pre-sell it. They know the market and have regular contact with it, they should be able to determine potential sales figures. That should not be the job of the one who edits and creates the DVD. Either take a percentage with a floor amount, or a commission with a guaranteed sale number, basically the same thing.

[ingeborgdot]

No, the school has no part in it. It is the parents that have asked and asked and asked until finally last year I did it. It just seems too much of a problem so they can, like I said, go to the only other outlet they said they had. I know it will cost them 19.99 but that is not my problem.

[Nelson37]

Ah, so his rant is actually Helping "big business"? Fascinating.

I would think even at $19.99, there must be a significant and known number of sales to pay for the labor involved. $15 or so of profit doesn't cover much.

[deadrats]

That's what I said earlier I did not think there was but was just curious. This deadcats is a real idiot. No wonder his name is deadcats. I just won't make a dvd for them if I don't make any money. Can he not read. They asked me to do it. So I should say yeah, I will spend 48 hours of my time doing this for you because you are just great. You are so full of .... deadcats it is coming out of your ...
I don't remember saying it was a bad video I just said amateurish. I mean I wish I would have done more cool things but it was still stand up and clap good when they got done watching. Actually it was very good you jerk. That's why they asked me to do it again and because it was going to cost them 19.99 a DVD to get it done. I have decided to not do it. I should not let the jerk deadcats get to me but right now I am steaming. Why don't you spend 48 hours of your freaking life doing this for free you idiot. Oh, you probably suck at it so they wouldn't ask you.
By the way I guess having a brass set is better than having none at all you girly boy. I will tell them tomorrow that I have decided against doing this and they will now have to pay $19.99 instead of $6. They know they won't get a better one than I did so that is why they asked. This way I won't make a penny and I will make deadcats happy. I guess he just cost them $14 bucks each.

you really are an *******, you do realize that, don't you?

since you seem to be reading challenged, allow me to point out it's "deadrats" not "deadcats".

but that's not what makes you an *******, what makes you a giant douche is that you would actually try and claim ownership (which is what claiming copyright is) to material (the films of the games) that you don't rightfully own, and on top of that, you actually want to try and protect what you don't even own.

the games are played by students, minors i'm guessing, mostly for the love of the game, perhaps some as a way of maybe getting a college scholarship, the students are the ones that are doing all the hard work, with the training, the practices and actual game playing, they are the ones risking injury, the school is the one that shot the film, paid the coaches, they asked you to do them a favor, for which you are already getting a small compensation, and you want to claim the rights to the final product and then enforce a mechanism by which you can ensure that you can screw them, the students, out of every dollar you can. that makes you a steaming pile of shit in my book, seriously.

there was a time i used to study martial arts and compete; it would be like me having someone record my competitions, hire you to create a dvd and then you claiming ownership rights to my footage!!! i'm the one that trained, i'm the one that risked my health, i'm the one that had the footage shot but you would be the one to claim copyright to the work!!!

or even better, in nyc's bryant park and central park, various artists routinely put on free, open to the public concerts. it would be like my using a HD camcorder to record the concert, giving you the footage to author a dvd and then you having the balls to claim ownership to the footage and try and prevent me from making a copy of the dvd, so that you could make an extra $2 in profit off me.

now seriously, you don't think you deserve a giant "**** you in the ass"?

you don't think that makes you a load that should have been swallowed?

i'm the idiot? you are a classless douche bag, i swear if i was the coach of the football team and you told me shit like that i would punch you right in the balls, as a thank you for the whole "48 hours worth of work" you put in.

what a total loser you are!!!

[deadrats]

I have found that those who are most scared by capitalism are those with no useful or marketable skills or abilities who must depend on a government to give them their value by stealing it from those who produce useful work. Stinking vermin is a good name for such people.

i am in no way, shape or form "scared of capitalism", i ran a very successful pest control business for years (hence the handle). what i despise are those that would screw their fellow man in an effort to try and squeeze every last penny by claiming rights to something they don't own. i have the same problem with cyber-squatters, people that register numerous variations of a domain name, hoping that someday they can bend someone over a barrel by holding the domain name hostage until said company of individual pays up.

as for having any "useful or marketable skills or abilities", i majored in physics and computer science in college, i earned certification as a unix system administrator from pace university, i hold 2 exterminators licenses, one in ny and one in nj, i hold a nj real estate license, i spent 3 years working as a welder, 5 years working as a mechanic and i'm currently training to get my CDL A with doubles and tanker endorsement.

so what do you think? do you think i have any "useful or marketable skills or abilities"?

you don't have to be on some sort of government hand out program to think that pure capitalism is a corrupting ideal, i'm all for someone making a buck, i just hate when people try and make a dishonest buck, it really, really sickens me.

and for the record, i'm so "anti-capitalism" that i voted for mccain...

[guns1inger]

As much as I agree with your comments regarding claiming copyright for filming school sports events without permission, there is a certain irony with it coming from someone who doesn't believe in copyright when it comes to the work of the studios.