VideoReDo TVSuite & Professional - General Discussion Thread

[Bridgy]

I switched to TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6 from VRD. Works great for my needs.

https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr6.html

Nothing wrong with Smart Renderer 6, but Video Mastering Works 8 exports to other formats, frame rates, and resolutions, and it is the one that matches VRD with the same, or similar features, but if you don't need those other features then Smart Renderer 6 will be fine, and cheaper.

I have no idea if either of them handles TV broadcast/recorded files like VRD and SMC can.

[MozartMan]

Nothing wrong with Smart Renderer 6, but Video Mastering Works 8 exports to other formats, frame rates, and resolutions, and it is the one that matches VRD with the same, or similar features, but if you don't need those other features then Smart Renderer 6 will be fine, and cheaper.

I bought Video Mastering Works 8 too. Both are very, very stable programs.

I have no idea if either of them handles TV broadcast/recorded files like VRD and SMC can.

They do. Both programs can open and export video formats that VRD cannot.

[MozartMan]

The big problem is I can't find anything nearly as good as videoredo for my purposes.

Try TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 6.

https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr6.html

I bought it and very happy with it.

[Bridgy]

I bought Video Mastering Works 8 too. Both are very, very stable programs.

TMPGEnc are ripping people off by forcing them to buy both programs if they want all features that VRD has in just one program.

Smart Renderer 6 cannot export to other formats, or resize to other resolutions like Mastering Works and VRD can do.

They do. Both programs can open and export video formats that VRD cannot.

This is correct, but this is due to VRD not being developed now for over 3.5 years because the VRD creator Dan Rosen passed away in late 2022.

That is why i keep saying that for most VRD users who only work with TV broadcast files, all they need is VRD.

The only reason why i refuse to buy TMPGEnc is because i would need to buy both Mastering Works 8 and Smart Renderer 6 to do what i need with my 4k HEVC camera recorded files, that is around US$200 and i would not even need all of the features in both.

VRD, which i paid US$60 for in 2013, and Smart Media Cutter which i just paid US$40 for is all i need right now heading into the future.

[MozartMan]

TMPGEnc are ripping people off by forcing them to buy both programs if they want all features that VRD has in just one program.

The only reason why i refuse to buy TMPGEnc is because i would need to buy both Mastering Works 8 and Smart Renderer 6 to do what i need with my 4k HEVC camera recorded files, that is around US$200 and i would not even need all of the features in both.

VRD, which i paid US$60 for in 2013, and Smart Media Cutter which i just paid US$40 for is all i need right now heading into the future

I am just curious, how much did you pay for VRD PRO?

Smart Renderer 6 cannot export to other formats, or resize to other resolutions like Mastering Works and VRD can do.

Smart Renderer 6 CAN export to other formats. See attached image.

And if you change resolution you would not be able to use smart render feature, would you?

[Diamant]

Diamant,

Try here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videoredo/new/

You want the "How to use the manual activation site" & also "Workaround to activation issue" links pinned at the top.

Thanks you a lot, this helped to solve my reg issue.

[Alwyn]

They're not formats, they're containers.

[Bridgy]

I am just curious, how much did you pay for VRD PRO?

I wrote it in my previous post, US$60 back in 2013.

Smart Renderer 6 CAN export to other formats. See attached image.

No it cannot export nor recode to other formats nor resize resolution, your screenshot shows only switching containers, as mentioned by Alwyn.

Mastering Works 8 does the same export to other formats and resolutions the same as VRD can do.

You need both TMPGEnc programs to do what VRD does with one tool, i already tested both TMPGEnc programs extensively late last year and posted my results in one of the threads in this forum.

And if you change resolution you would not be able to use smart render feature, would you?

Changing to other formats (other than container) or changing resolutions requires a full recode.

TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 is primarily designed to export back to the same format as your source file and just recode a few frames around your cuts.

I believe that VRD was the very first software to do Frame Accurate cutting and Smart Rendering before any other software.

I still don't believe that TMPGEnc Smart Render is as good as the one used in VRD, others may disagree.

VRD uses a feature known as Intelligent Recode which has a built in export quality preset for each export format that you wish to recode to, so there is no need to manually set an export Video Bitrate for the recode to whatever format you want, just select your export preset and VRD does the rest, and this is probably the best feature about VRD.

I was using TMPGEnc Express 6.0 many years ago in the DVD days, then i found VRD Pro and i never used any other editing tool until around 1 year ago when i started recording my camera videos in 4k/60p HEVC (i used 4k/60p AVC before that) and VRD had full support for AVC in 4k, but Dan had not completed his full implementation of 4k HEVC when he passed away in 2022, so i have issues cutting and joining them, so i now use Smart Media Cutter as it uses the same Frame Accurate Smart Render feature as VRD and handles 4k HEVC file perfectly.

I use VRD for my Titles and exporting (intelligent recode) to other formats and resolutions when required.

Both of the TMPGEnc edit tools are pretty good packages, but as i said before, neither of them alone can do what VRD can do on it's own.

[Bridgy]

I just downloaded Smart Renderer 6 again and tried to import a 4k HEVC file to try exporting to AVC, but i forgot that the trial version will not allow import/export of 4k HEVC files, which i stated in my posts last year was another dumb thing about Pegasys not to allow potential buyers to test these files.

I imported a 4k AVC file and all i can do is export it back to 4k AVC (i can change containers only) and no export to other resolutions.


[Attachment 91891 - Click to enlarge]

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This software will add titles and transitions, but the titles can only be done as an overlay onto the actual video frames, which i hate.

VRD does not to transitions, but with it's Title creation tool you can't overlay it onto the video frames, you can only do it using an Image file to overlay the text on, or use a solid color background with your text (i use black background on all titles)

I create my own custom Titles and credits because i have more options and control, and i sometimes use a graphics image in my title which i can't do with VRD.

[MozartMan]

I just downloaded Smart Renderer 6 again and tried to import a 4k HEVC file to try exporting to AVC, but i forgot that the trial version will not allow import/export of 4k HEVC files, which i stated in my posts last year was another dumb thing about Pegasys not to allow potential buyers to test these files.

I imported a 4k AVC file and all i can do is export it back to 4k AVC (i can change containers only) and no export to other resolutions.

Everything you said is correct.

BUT, if you change resolution and choose different output format you will have to do FULL re-encode of the video and not smart render. And this defeats the purpose of smart render, doesn't it?

And the same with VRD - if you change resolution and choose different output format you will have to do FULL re-encode of the video and not smart render, won't you?

So, I don't understand the point of your arguments.

[Bridgy]

Everything you said is correct.

BUT, if you change resolution and choose different output format you will have to do FULL re-encode of the video and not smart render. And this defeats the purpose of smart render, doesn't it?

And the same with VRD - if you change resolution and choose different output format you will have to do FULL re-encode of the video and not smart render, won't you?

So, I don't understand the point of your arguments.

You was the one who said that TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 can export to other formats, i just said that it can't, with screenshots to show this, your screenshot showed changing Container only.

I always said a long time ago that Smart Renderer 6 does Smart Rendering, just like VRD does, and does it very well too.

My reference to Recoding to other formats or resizing has nothing to do with Smart Render in TMPGEnc, i was just adding that if you want to recode to other formats or resolution you will need Mastering Works 8, or use VRD, which does Smart Cut, Smart Rendering, and intelligent Recode to other containers and formats, and resizes too.

I am just trying to explain it the best way i can, i am not trying to create any arguments.

To give you an idea of my work flow, so i record in 4k/60p HEVC, i now use SMC to Cut my files and Smart Render back to original format, i then import into VRD Pro to add my custom Titles if needed, and i export to other formats if needed, using the Intelligent Recode function in VRD.

Sometimes i only need to do frame accurate Cutting and Smart Render back to original format, so i don't use VRD at all.

There is no way that i will pay nearly US$200 for both TMPGEnc tools to do all of those things when i already have VRD Pro and SMC.

I wish that VRD was able to cut and save my 4k HEVC files properly, sadly it can't so i need SMC for this.

Most of my Recoding is done to 1080/60p AVC because some people who i give files to do not have a TV able to play 4k files, or cannot play them in the HEVC container, so giving them the 1080p recode is the easiest option.

[MozartMan]

You was the one who said that TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 can export to other formats, i just said that it can't, with screenshots to show this, your screenshot showed changing Container only.

My fault. I stand corrected.

[Bridgy]

Both TMPGEnc are great tools, and if they suit your needs then that is great, and if you don't need to recode/export to other Formats or resize, then Smart Render 6 is the one to use, but it is just a shame that Pegasys will not just combine Smart Renderer 6 into Mastering Works so they have just 1 tool, just like VRD does it, and in the future it seems like Smart Media Cutter will be the true equal and possible replacement for VRD for some people like me.

All good.

BTW i noted you had VRD in your Screenshot in one of your previous post, have you actually got a license for it.

[MozartMan]

BTW i noted you had VRD in your Screenshot in one of your previous post, have you actually got a license for it.

Of course. See attachments.

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@Bridgy

I hope you had time to see screenshot images of emails that I got from VRD that prove that I have license.

If you didn't see them PM me and I will reply and provide you screenshot images.

Cheers

[Bridgy]

Sorry i didn't mean to suggest that you didn't have a license, i was just asking if you did as i saw a name in the screenshot, maybe my question was asked the wrong way, so i apologize for any confusion.

I was also going to ask why you bought both TMPGEnc versions when you already had VRD, does TMPGEnc offer you features that VRD doesn't.

[MozartMan]

Sorry i didn't mean to suggest that you didn't have a license, i was just asking if you did as i saw a name in the screenshot, maybe my question was asked the wrong way, so i apologize for any confusion.

No problem, all good. On the other hand thanks to your "offensive" post I realized that I exposed myself on public forum when I posted TMSR6 screenshot that included About VRD pop-up. So now KGB is gonna knock on my door (just joking). So I had to remove screenshot.

I was also going to ask why you bought both TMPGEnc versions when you already had VRD, does TMPGEnc offer you features that VRD doesn't.

I bought Sony FX30 last September and trying to learn HDR/HLG things since then, and shooting test videos in 4K HLG with XAVC-HS (HEVC/x.265) codec in 10-bit. TMSR6 can input and smart render that format. VRD cannot smart render HLG 10-bit videos, only 8-bit.

Regarding why I bought TVMW8 - it basically replaced my Sony Vegas Pro 12 (which I still have installed) for video editing.

I hope I answered your question.

[Bridgy]

No problem, all good. On the other hand thanks to your "offensive" post I realized that I exposed myself on public forum when I posted TMSR6 screenshot that included About VRD pop-up. So now KGB is gonna knock on my door (just joking). So I had to remove screenshot.

Yes i was surprised that you left your "true identity" in the screenshot, that's why i referenced your name in my post.

I bought Sony FX30 last September and trying to learn HDR/HLG things since then, and shooting test videos in 4K HLG with XAVC-HS (HEVC/x.265) codec in 10-bit. TMSR6 can input and smart render that format. VRD cannot smart render HLG 10-bit videos, only 8-bit.

Interesting camera choice, and nice to see another VRD user who is attempting to use VRD for editing there Camera recorded videos and not working with TV recorded files as most VRD users seem to be doing.

TMPGEnc edit tools are more designed for editing of camera files, and eventually for people like us, VRD will gradually fall away as newer recording formats evolve because it is no longer developed, which is sad, and always good to find alternatives that can do what VRD does.

TMPGEnc needs to add support for creating graphical based Titles like the way i do them rather than have the Titles overlaid onto the actual video frames, and for me this is a big deal breaker on it's own, and they also need to release a full blown editing suite that incorporates the features of Smart Renderer 6 and Video Mastering Works 8 for those who need all of those features without having to buy 2 stand alone tools.

While ever i am working with 4k/60p HEVC recorded files i will continue to use VRD Pro for my exports to other formats, and adding my custom titles, and use SMC for cutting my files.

Regarding why I bought TVMW8 - it basically replaced my Sony Vegas Pro 12 (which I still have installed) for video editing.

Is there an issue with Vegas, or it just can't do what you need it to do any more.

I hope I answered your question.

Yep, great.

[MozartMan]

Yes i was surprised that you left your "true identity" in the screenshot, that's why i referenced your name in my post.

Thank you again for that.

Interesting camera choice

I had Sony a6500 for five years. It records great 4K videos and our home videos were not very long. But in August of last year I signed up for a season as volunteer videographer to record performances of a local symphony orchestra. Some classical music pieces go for 30-40 minutes. So I decided to test my a6500 because I heard about overheating issue when doing long video recordings. First, I hacked the camera to be able to record more than 30 minutes because Sony put limitation in the camera, then started video recording. Thirty minutes later I got warning about overheating. Went on Internet to search for dedicated video camcorder and FX30 was a winner. It even has two built-in fans to cool the camera body.

TMPGEnc edit tools are more designed for editing of camera files, and eventually for people like us, VRD will gradually fall away as newer recording formats evolve because it is no longer developed, which is sad, and always good to find alternatives that can do what VRD does.

Agree.

TMPGEnc needs to add support for creating graphical based Titles like the way i do them rather than have the Titles overlaid onto the actual video frames

Are you referring to PGS titles/subtitles? If not, can you elaborate, please?

Is there an issue with Vegas, or it just can't do what you need it to do any more.

It is old. It cannot load HDR10 videos from my Galaxy S23 Ultra phone and HLG videos from my FX30 camera and Galaxy Z Fold7 phone. I only keep it because it is (I think) the last version of Vegas Pro that has Dolby Digital AC-3 Pro encoder for audio.

[Bridgy]

Hi m8, i will try to respond the best way that i can, however i am trying to be very mindful that we don't take this Thread too far OFF TOPIC (by posting content not related to VRD) as we have a resident Member here in the forum who will come into this thread and tell us to stop with the Off Topic rants, and i don't wish to peeve anyone off, especially the forum moderator who i have a lot of respect for.

I kind of believe that what we are discussing is in line with the topic of this thread, there has always been references made to VRD in most posts, so in that respect i believe that our discussion should be allowed in this Thread, however if not, then i am ok for the Moderator to delete whatever content that he feels does not meet the guidelines.

I created the following Thread some time ago that was dedicated to VRD Alternatives with various Test results that i got from alternatives, including my Test Results from using the 2 TMPGEnc editing tools as well, but then i decided to create this Thread instead, thinking that it might be a better option.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/416487-Alternatives-for-VideoReDo-TV-Suite-with-Test-Results

There is another Thread that was created for VRD Alternatives back in 2022 as well.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/407142-VideoReDo-alternatives

I had Sony a6500 for five years. It records great 4K videos and our home videos were not very long. But in August of last year I signed up for a season as volunteer videographer to record performances of a local symphony orchestra. Some classical music pieces go for 30-40 minutes. So I decided to test my a6500 because I heard about overheating issue when doing long video recordings. First, I hacked the camera to be able to record more than 30 minutes because Sony put limitation in the camera, then started video recording. Thirty minutes later I got warning about overheating. Went on Internet to search for dedicated video camcorder and FX30 was a winner. It even has two built-in fans to cool the camera body.

I prefer Camcorder style cameras with fixed lens, as long as they have a very good Auto Focus and Stabilization systems in them, and a decent sensor, it is just a far easier camera to use because most of my videos recorded in hand held Run-n-Gun mode, and these features are essential.

Are you referring to PGS titles/subtitles? If not, can you elaborate, please?

The following videos will give you an idea of what i might do with Titles, these are Promo videos for 2 hotels in the Philippines from last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsp2EhOhzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmRoTHlp-wk

I create a black 4k resolution image and i add my Text, save it as title 1, i then create another Text image file with contact details, save it as my Title 2, i then use a few photos with Text added and save each one as Title 3, Title 4 etc, sometimes i might add a small photo or image to a black Title file as well.

I then import my 4k/60p HEVC file into the VRD Joiner list, i then load my graphic images into the Joiner list and place them at the start of my video file in order.

I then edit each of the Title graphics files to add the required duration and fades for each one, i then export the file to "Same As Source" and the Title is created at the start of the video, the only part that is re-encoded is the Title segment at the start.

I can do the same with a Credit at the end of the video too.

[MozartMan]

The following videos will give you an idea of what i might do with Titles, these are Promo videos for 2 hotels in the Philippines from last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGsp2EhOhzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmRoTHlp-wk

I create a black 4k resolution image and i add my Text, save it as title 1, i then create another Text image file with contact details, save it as my Title 2, i then use a few photos with Text added and save each one as Title 3, Title 4 etc, sometimes i might add a small photo or image to a black Title file as well.

I then import my 4k/60p HEVC file into the VRD Joiner list, i then load my graphic images into the Joiner list and place them at the start of my video file in order.

I then edit each of the Title graphics files to add the required duration and fades for each one, i then export the file to "Same As Source" and the Title is created at the start of the video, the only part that is re-encoded is the Title segment at the start.

I can do the same with a Credit at the end of the video too.

I was able to re-create your VRD workflow process in TMSR6 100%.

TMPGEnc needs to add support for creating graphical based Titles like the way i do them rather than have the Titles overlaid onto the actual video frames

I am not sure why you think that, but it is not the case. See the video in the link above.

So, for me TMSR6 is the perfect $70 replacement for VRD.


Also, you posted this in SMC thread:

Hi, how do i create chapter markers at each of my cuts, this is crucial to my work.

In VRD there is a setting that lets me create chapters if i want them.

Apperantly TMSR6 can create chapters from keyframes. See attached screenshot.

[Bridgy]

I was able to re-create your VRD workflow process in TMSR6 100%. Below is the link to the video created with TMSR6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bqbtR-aah4

Can you replicate my Title exactly as it is in my 2 videos above, or the one in the image below, where i use a 4k resolution static Black canvas or image, then i use Microsoft Paint to add Text and sometimes i might add a small image onto the black canvas, this is how i do mine because i hate overlaying Text or an image onto a video frame or photo as you have done because it makes it more difficult to read the text because of all the background colors, and if i was to inlay a small graphics image or photo onto my Title using your method, it would be impossible to see it, especially my Title image below.

This is an example of adding a small image to the Title.


[Attachment 91961 - Click to enlarge]

In my testing of TMPGEnc Smart Renerer 6 last year i could not do this, i had to overlay the Text onto the video frame itself and select the duration and fades, this would then display the Text over the video frames as the video plays, until the title fades away.

Your 2 sets of Text is overlaid onto 2 images from the video, so can you actually create or import a blank colored image or canvas like i do and add your text to that, and also add a small photo as well like i have done, last year it could not do this, so that is why i am asking you if you can replicate this now, as i can't be bothered re-installing Smart Renderer 6 now to try it again.

VRD can create Text onto a blank colored background of your choosing, you can set fades, or you can import a photo and add the Text to that, but it cannot add overlay images like i show in my Title above.

Also, VRD did not complete support for adding Titles to a 4k HEVC video file using their own Title creation tool from within the Joiner list, Dan Rosen passed away before he got this feature completed, but it still never made any difference for me as i have always created my own Custom Titles for using with VRD.

Unfortunately it seems like i can't use them with with Smart Renderer 6.

I am not sure why you think that, but it is not the case. See the video in the link above.

Refer to my comments at the top, i think that about sums this point up pretty much.

Also, you posted this in SMC thread:

Hi, how do i create chapter markers at each of my cuts, this is crucial to my work.
In VRD there is a setting that lets me create chapters if i want them.

Apperantly TMSR6 can create chapters from keyframes. See attached screenshot.

The feature to add Chapter marks at cut points has now been added to Smart Media Cutter as from version 2.3.0 and it works perfectly, just as the Frame Accurate cutting tool does, so these 2 features in SMC equally match the same 2 features in VRD.

The Developer of SMC has just informed us that his Export to other formats (HEVC, AVC, VP9, AV1) should also be fixed by today and will be set to go in build 2.3.3, this feature cannot do any form of Resizing down or up, this will be added at some other time apparently, and i can't wait.

So, for me TMSR6 is the perfect $70 replacement for VRD.

Yep seems like it, and if it suits you then it is well worth the investment, but it doesn't do Titles like the way that i like to do them so this is one reason why it is not suitable for me.

[MozartMan]

Can you replicate my Title exactly as it is in my 2 videos above, or the one in the image below, where i use a 4k resolution static Black canvas or image, then i use Microsoft Paint to add Text and sometimes i might add a small image onto the black canvas, this is how i do mine because i hate overlaying Text or an image onto a video frame or photo as you have done because it makes it more difficult to read the text because of all the background colors, and if i was to inlay a small graphics image or photo onto my Title using your method, it would be impossible to see it, especially my Title image below.

Yes, I can.

I used PaintShop Pro 2023 Ultimate to create Title per you process. Original PSP image format has multiple layers and and can have both raster layer (JPG image) and vector layer (text). Then I saved PSP format image as JPG file. See attached images 1 and 2.

Image 3 is screenshot of TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 program window.

In my testing of TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 last year i could not do this

You probably use previous version that didn't support it.

Unfortunately it seems like i can't use them with with Smart Renderer 6.

At least you can try the trial of the latest version with 4K AVC/H.264 video file.

[Bridgy]

Yes, I can.

I used PaintShop Pro 2023 Ultimate to create Title per you process. Original PSP image format has multiple layers and and can have both raster layer (JPG image) and vector layer (text). Then I saved PSP format image as JPG file. See attached screenshots 1 and 2.

Screenshot 3 is screenshot of TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 6 program windows.

Here is video test #2. as you requested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGsvM0PTbAI

You probably use previous version that didn't support it.

Seems like it, and this is very good news, i do have the current Trial version so i will try it if it has not expired already.

I am still happy to create my custom titles as per before and throw it into the VRD joiner list to add to my edited video file, given i have VRD already, but should the day arise where i am using a newer video format (codec) that is not supported by VRD and if SMC has not implemented a Title creation tool, then i might need to look at Smart Renderer 6.

BTW, does Video Mastering Works 8 do titles like this as well, i know that there are features available in one of them that are not available in the other, hence why i have always said that for someone to get all of the features of VRD you need to use both of these TMPGEnc edit tools.

Cheers m8

[Bridgy]

I have just asked Bladrick (moderator) if he can move all Posts from 448 onwards in this thread over to my other VRD Alternatives Thread so that we don't clutter this one up and have complaints made by other members, even when these members do not participate in this thread.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/416487-Alternatives-for-VideoReDo-TV-Suite-with-Test-Results

[MozartMan]

BTW, does Video Mastering Works 8 do titles like this as well?

Yes, it does and much more.

[Bridgy]

Yes, it does and much more.

Great, it's nice to have another member in here who is doing their editing very similar to myself (editing camera recorded video files) and doing stuff in a way that is very similar to what i do.

A lot of my videos are travel related and lots of family related stuff too.

Out of Curiosity, I know that Smart Renderer 6 does not Export to other formats or resolution because you need the Video Mastering Works 8 to do that, but what other feature is in Video Mastering Works 8 that you also don't have in Smart Renderer 6, i just can't recall everything off hand.

[MozartMan]

Great, it's nice to have another member in here who is doing their editing very similar to myself (editing camera recorded video files) and doing stuff in a way that is very similar to what i do.

Out of Curiosity, I know that Smart Renderer 6 does not Export to other formats or resolution because you need the Video Mastering Works 8 to do that, but what other feature is in Video Mastering Works 8 that you also don't have in Smart Renderer 6

Color correction would be one of the features because when you correct the color you need to do the full re-encode of video.

https://help.pegasys-inc.com/en/tvmw8/04615.html


Here are the pages for TMSR6 and TVMW8 that list features for each program.

https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tmsr6.html

https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw8.html

[Bridgy]

Color correction would be one of the features because when you correct the color you need to do the full re-encode of video.

Sorry i meant to ask what features in VMW8 do you use yourself that is not in SR6.

Color Correction/Color Grading i have never had a need to use myself, my work is not so professional that anyone would ever notice anything odd with my videos, and most cameras that i ever used never needed any correction anyway, particularly videos recorded outdoors.

I have used Color Grading in Da Vince Resolve back a few years ago but that was never my own videos, these were videos recorded on a variety of Black Magic cinema cameras in CinemaDNG RAW from memory.

[MozartMan]

Sorry i meant to ask what features in VMW8 do you use yourself that is not in SR6.

I was playing with features that are not in TMSR6:

1. Color Correction (Filters feature)
2. Title Animation (Text Animation feature)
3. Picture-in-Picture effect (Transform feature)

There is a bunch of other features that I still need to learn.

Color Correction/Color Grading i have never had a need to use myself, my work is not so professional

I am not pro either, but I still want to learn Color Correction/Color Grading because it is necessary if you shoot in S-Log, and sometimes even in HLG.

I bought TMSR6 first for $70 in August 2025, then decided to buy TVMW7 and they gave me $25 discount, so price was $97. Total prices was $167 for both. Then in September 2025 Pegasys released TVMW78. They gave free upgrade because it was only one month since I bought TVMW7.

Both programs are very very stable. Didn't have any single crash since I installed them. Encoding quality of TVMW78 is awesome.

[Bridgy]

Here is another test video with Title animations and Picture-in-Picture effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET_b078hLx4

Very nice work, great features for sure, but not a feature i would use myself for Titles, but there are those who would love this for sure.

I bought TMSR6 first for $70 in August 2025, then decided to buy TVMW7 and they gave me $25 discount, so price was $97. Total prices was $167 for both. Then in September 2025 Pegasys released TVMW78. They gave free upgrade because it was only one month since I bought TVMW7.

This is my biggest bug with Pegasys Software company, you buy a given tool and you pay a fee that gives you a lifetime license to use that version only, if you want to upgrade to their next Build, you have to pay for the upgrade, and you get a small discount for your valued continual use of their software.

They release a brand new Build (TSR6 to TSE7 as an example) you have to pay for that upgrade, yes you get a discount, but it really isn't very much in the overall scheme of things.

They also sell bundles like Smart Renderer 6 + Authoring Works 7 + Video Mastering Works 8 for a discount of only US$68 over buying all 3, but why not offer a bundle of just Smart Renderer 6 + Video Mastering Works 8 for those who don't need Authoring Works, but they don't do it, which to me is a bit odd, is it because they deliberately leave out features in one of those and add them to the other, forcing the user to buy both if they need all the features combined.

For the cost of US$122 that they charge for Video Mastering Works 8 they should be including all of the features that are in Smart Renderer 6 as well, to justify the price they are charging for that particular build/version, and then charge you again if you want to upgrade to a newer version.

Pegasys also offers a Subscription Based License for US$78.30 per year for their bundle of Smart Renderer 6 + Authoring Works 7 + Video Mastering Works 8 which is paid annually and you get all new versions or builds when they are released, so if Pegasys offered me a Subscription for Smart Renderer 6 + Video Mastering Works 8 only, for a price like US$60 per year then i reckon i would buy that one instead.

VRD as an example had a completely different licensing model where Dan Rosen was always working on VRD and adding improvements along the way, and was often releasing a new Build to his VRD users, but he never charged anyone a fee for upgrading to a new build, you only paid an upgrade fee if you wanted to go from the TV Suite version to the Professional version, and their software was very cheap to buy at the time, especially given it was a true lifetime license for their software with nothing more to pay.

Don't get me wrong, TMPGEnc software is very good, i know this already from using it way back in the days before i moved to VRD in 2013, and also from testing out their new versions recently, i just think that their Business Model is all screwed up, and they are not really looking after their real valued customers very well.

If they offered what i call a real lifetime license you pay a one off fee for one of their products and you get free upgrades to newer versions for life.


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