Capture analog tapes with s-video to a DMR ES10 the output using component

[Joscraft_05]

I'm looking to do that for avoid the brightness problems from all the analog outputs in PAL Panasonic DMR ES10 dvd recorders.

I use my Sony HDR FX1E to go from analog to DV, since it have component i was considering that, is there any problem with using component or you guys don't recommend using component?

I'm also looking in a s-video to SCART adapter.

[dellsam34]

There are mixed opinions about this, But the honest answer is, depends on the design of the machine, If it takes the digital signal from the TBC stage and converts it to analog directly into YPbPr (component) and YC (S-Video) independently, which is the common sense of any engineering design, then in this case component should give you better results than YC. If component is produced from YC as was suggested here in some threads, then it adds an extra processing board or at least extra components then in this case YC should give you better picture.

Now given the fact that YC is darker and component is closer to the original values suggests that the first scenario is likely to be true, But don't take the internet's word for it, make two captures from each workflow in the exact same conditions, scene and hardware and post them here for the members to analyse to have an informative decision rather than rely on opinion.

[Joscraft_05]

There are mixed opinions about this, But the honest answer is, depends on the design of the machine, If it takes the digital signal from the TBC stage and converts it to analog directly into YPbPr (component) and YC (S-Video) independently, which is the common sense of any engineering design, then in this case component should give you better results than YC. If component is produced from YC as was suggested here in some threads, then it adds an extra processing board or at least extra components then in this case YC should give you better picture.

Now given the fact that YC is darker and component is closer to the original values suggests that the first scenario is likely to be true, But don't take the internet's word for it, make two captures from each workflow in the exact same conditions, scene and hardware and post them here for the members to analyse to have an informative decision rather than rely on opinion.

I'm waiting for my Panasonic DMR ES10 PAL to arrive at my house, another thing is to buy a universal remote for it.

And for the component cable i'm talking with the guy who sold me his Sony HDR FX1E to see if he have the right component cable for connect the DMR ES10 to my camera.

All of this because i'm trying to find options for avoid the issue of the defective analog outputs of the dvd recorder since my unit is PAL.

I'm not limiting myself to the component route, i'm also looking a s-video to SCART adapter.

[aramkolt]

I think the issue is that the ES10 does not output component upon passthrough (I think it's only used for DVD playback output), so you probably won't find many discussions about it. I could be wrong, but should be easy enough to check if you have all the items already.

There are several broadcast TBCs like the FA-300 or 310 that have composite, S-Video, and component output and I do prefer to use component assuming the capture card supports it. Also helps if you have a way to make sure the levels coming off of the component output are correct though, usually requires a waveform/vectorscope monitor plus a pattern generator to test, or you can just watch to make sure you aren't going into illegal levels with whatever you are transferring in realtime just looking at the brightest and darkest scenes. There aren't a whole lot of component scopes, but Videotek made a few that are relatively inexpensive (sub $100, they don't have a built in video monitor, you connect them to a display). Makes for an interesting combo with various Blackmagic Hyperdeck or AJA products that have component video as their only analog input. AJA KiPro is one such device.

Generally, order of preference from worst to best for transferring (if the device will output it) while preserving interlacing is: Composite, S-Video, Component, SDI/HDMI (as long as it is 480i).

[Joscraft_05]

I think the issue is that the ES10 does not output component upon passthrough (I think it's only used for DVD playback output), so you probably won't find many discussions about it. I could be wrong, but should be easy enough to check if you have all the items already.

There are several broadcast TBCs like the FA-300 or 310 that have composite, S-Video, and component output and I do prefer to use component assuming the capture card supports it. Also helps if you have a way to make sure the levels coming off of the component output are correct though, usually requires a waveform/vectorscope monitor plus a pattern generator to test, or you can just watch to make sure you aren't going into illegal levels with whatever you are transferring in realtime just looking at the brightest and darkest scenes. There aren't a whole lot of component scopes, but Videotek made a few that are relatively inexpensive (sub $100, they don't have a built in video monitor, you connect them to a display). Makes for an interesting combo with various Blackmagic Hyperdeck or AJA products that have component video as their only analog input. AJA KiPro is one such device.

Generally, order of preference from worst to best for transferring (if the device will output it) while preserving interlacing is: Composite, S-Video, Component, SDI/HDMI (as long as it is 480i).

I don’t know actually how severe the damage of the brightness issue is with PAL Panasonic DMRs dvd recorders but I’m amazed about the performance with the DMR ES10 especially in this video which I think is a good stress test:

https://youtu.be/Z8ICf7429rM?si=PTDOyqlWKTBDuPeB

I will definitely buy a s-video to SCART cable since is way more easy than trying to find the right component cable for my camera.

This is the type of cable I’m going to buy:


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