Problems with Sony vegas and my HD PVR. Reposted from another forum.

[Nycozi]

if you wouldn't mind posting your settings on both vegas and the HD PVR i might have done something wrong?

[poisondeathray]

See if you can open this ok in vegas. It's working ok here

It's 5 seconds, video stream copied into a MOV container (so video is identical, but audio is uncompressed). This is a fast procedure, because all it's doing is copying the video so quality is the same (not re-encoding it which requires more CPU cycles)

If this works ok for you , the you I can help you make a batch ffmpeg file to do the conversions



Cineform offers more benefit than just better stability. Upsampling to 4:2:2 first is better (vegas' upsampling from 4:2:0 is lower quality), it's also 10-bit which allows for less banding during grading, and it provides a smoother for editing experience



EDIT: just a sec, still uploading

[poisondeathray]

if you wouldn't mind posting your settings on both vegas and the HD PVR i might have done something wrong?

I no longer have the HDPVR, but you said vegas crashed as soon as you opened it ? I can place your clip on the timeline and scrub around without crashing. But it's still the wrong FPS. Not ideal. Maybe going back to the shipping firmware would help ?

[poisondeathray]

...there is something peculiar about these streams that is causing vegas to "barf" . The old HD PVR streams work fine in vegas

My HD-PVR recordings work fine. I wonder if the OP has unwittingly introduced an anomaly via custom settings.

Then maybe you should compare notes on firmware revisions or settings used for the HD-PVR ?

Did you try downloading his test clip ?

[Nycozi]

that 5 second clip loaded fine poison and played like any clip i make using fraps. so its something to do with the M2TS file for sure

[poisondeathray]

that 5 second clip loaded fine poison and played like any clip i make using fraps. so its something to do with the M2TS file for sure

Well it's the same original h.264 video stream (just cut) , and the audio decompressed. The only other difference is the wrapper (mov instead of transport stream). Normally transport streams (.m2ts, .ts) are the preferred container for editing... In fact you often mux into a transport stream when you have problems with other videos

If you and budwzr can't figure out how to set the thing , or get the proper firmware , then this is what you do to re-wrap the video:


1) download a ffmbc binary for windows . You can find some here. Place ffmbc.exe in the same folder of .m2ts files
https://www.videohelp.com/download/FFmbc-0.5-win32.7z

2) open a file in notepad in the same folder, copy & paste the following, save it, rename the extension from .txt to .bat

for %%a in ("*.m2ts") do ffmbc -i %%a -vcodec copy -acodec pcm_s16le %%~na.mov
pause

3) double click the .bat file ,and it will convert all the .m2ts files to .mov files in that directory by copying the video, and uncompressing the audio into MOV container


Try it out on a few small clips to make sure it works before you go crazy converting huge files

[Nycozi]

How badly will this affect quality?

[poisondeathray]

How badly will this affect quality?

It doesn't affect quality per se, because video is stream copied, not re-encoded using a lossy format

"Stream copy" means same as original. Think of taking the video out of a box, and putting it into a different box. The video is the same.

When you re-encode using a lossy format, you throw away bits of information - then quality is lost. How much quality you lose is dependent on the codec, and especially the bitrate. At very high bitrates you cannot tell the difference. If you're familiar with audio, an analogy would be 320kbps MP3 sounds good, but 64kbps MP3 sound horrible. By the same token, you have FLAC, which is lossless compression (the decoded sound is identical to the original). Lossless vs. Lossy compression.

That was the distinction I was trying to make earlier when you said you used format factory on the first page

However, vegas may handle the colors slighly differently when video is in a different container (there might be a gamma shift from quicktime, or it might use Rec709 vs. Rec601 color matrix) . That is, the underlying video stream is identical, but how vegas "perceives" it may change when decoding YUV=>RGB for display . You won't incur any compression losses.




But it would be more ideal if you could get the original working... I would see if you can get more info from budwzr


EDIT: sorry you should use FFMBC, not FFMPEG. FFMPEG reads the FPS incorrect as well (I used FFMBC for the conversion for that test file), I made the changes above

[Nycozi]

Ok so it did its thing using a cmd window then when i put the file into Vegas the thumbnail was a green screen and there is no video in the time line only the sound

[poisondeathray]

did the "5sec.mov" load ok in vegas for you ?

did you see the changes I made above? I meant to say ffmbc, not ffmpeg. The 5sec.mov used ffmbc (the metadata when you use mediainfo even says so)

[Nycozi]

ah i see you put the wrong info fair enough

ill try with new edits

[budwzr]

Here's The Screenshots Of Mine.

There's no settings in Vegas to post. It doesn't matter.

[Nycozi]

Oh wonderful it seems to have worked imported just as quick as normal fraps files and sound is working fine . So just so i know I film in M2TS then convert using that .bat then i can just edit like normal? correct?

[poisondeathray]

hey budz can you list the firmware version also

then you guys can can go on a date

So just so i know I film in M2TS then convert using that .bat then i can just edit like normal? correct?

Yes you can .... but I would still go on that date with budwzr and see if you can get the original files working in vegas . Rewrapping the files is fast, but not having to do that is even faster

[Nycozi]

Tbh if the rewrapping is working which it is Im fine with it now I just want them to work but yes having everything working top notch would be better

[budwzr]

hey budz can you list the firmware version also

then you guys can can go on a date

I don't know where the firmware version is. Go on a date? WTF?

[Nycozi]

lol I hope thats a typo

[poisondeathray]

"date" as in "appointment" to discuss out what settings to use

LOL you don't have to bring flowers, I don't think he's into that

[Nycozi]

haha fair enough >.>

[budwzr]

I don't get it. If you have something to say, just say it.

Take it easy on the bukkake, you're not making sense

[Nycozi]

Rendered perfectly with my commentary uploading now ill put a link here to show all the work you help me with guys

[damonj_3]

I've encountered the same problem. When I place my video recorded from Hauppauge HD PVR in Sony Vegas timeline. It shows mostly the upper left portion of the screen. My weapon crosshairs are in the bottom right. I've found no answers and would appreciate any help/advice GREATLY! Thank you very much!

[budwzr]

You need to match the project settings to the media <OR> match the media to the project settings via pan/crop or track motion.

The default "Project Settings" are whatever you set them to be, that is, whatever you render to most of the time. It's there as a convenience, not set in stone.

Vegas is unique in that anything can be changed at any time, and it's dynamic (realtime). There's no "Start Here", and then you're locked into a path.

[damonj_3]

You need to match the project settings to the media <OR> match the media to the project settings via pan/crop or track motion.

The default "Project Settings" are whatever you set them to be, that is, whatever you render to most of the time. It's there as a convenience, not set in stone.

Vegas is unique in that anything can be changed at any time, and it's dynamic (realtime). There's no "Start Here", and then you're locked into a path.

I clicked Project, then Properties. On Video Tab, it displays:
Template: NTSC DV (720x480, 29.970 fps)
Width: 720 Field Order: Lower Field First
Height: 480 Pixel Aspect Ratio: 0.09091 (NTSC DV) Full Resolution rend qual: Good; Deinterlace Method: Blend Fields; Checked Adjust source media to better match project or render settings & uncheck Start all new projects with these settings. Frame Rate: 29.970(NTSC) I don't know if that are the project media settings you're speaking of or not. If so, does something look wrong to you? I'm also so new, that I don't know where to find the media settings to even try to match them. If you could let me know I'd appreciate it. If you could let me know what settings are good to just have a centered video walkthrough I'd greatly appreciate it. I know how to access the pan/crop, but I couldn't get anything to move when I altered the box, circle. It just seemed to stay the exact same way. Offset the bottom right, I'm clueless. Not an editing expert, less than a novice at best. Thanks for your help & would appr any info on how to access the media settings to compare them. Thank you so much again, and sorry I'm dumb when it comes to this.

[damonj_3]

I clicked on pan/crop and changed width to 720 & height to 480. I don't know anything about X & Y though. I couldn't find a place to save those settings or if that's even what I needed to do, but after I changed it the preview photo in pan/crop didn't change at all? I don't know!!!! I'm usually really good at PC use, just never used an editing program, sorry.

[budwzr]

Click the "Match Media" button:


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[damonj_3]

I really appreciate you taking your time to help out someone that is clueless about editing. It means a lot, thank you!! I'm gonna fire it up & see if I can get it centered. THANK YOU!!

[damonj_3]

Well I know you're tired of hearing from me by now, I'm sorry. I opened Vegas, first I had the video in the timeline, but when I clicked on match media it opened where my videos were saved, so I deleted the project from the timeline. Then with nothing in the timeline, went to Project Properties and clicked Match Media, I then selected my video and clicked open. That's where I'm not sure how to match it up. I right clicked on the video image in the timeline and saw the settings, but it seems the only thing that I can change that's the same as what's in Project Properties, is the frame rate. Everything else, like alpha channel, etc.. I don't know about. And still can't seem exactly where to go, or really how to match them up.

[budwzr]

Sure, and thanks for appreciating.

OK, give me a better idea of what you see. Can you post a screenshot?

[damonj_3]

Also, can I use the same template you are using with my Hauppauge HD PVR? 1280x720? It would probably just confuse me more. I should probably just stick to trying to figure out how to match the project with the media. It just won't center man, I don't get it!!