DVD-Rebuilder w/ CCE Help error

[strongbad]

I keep getting this error every time I'm doing the final 3rd step of "Rebuilding".

[budz]

try posting your question at the dvd rebuilder forum at doom9. http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=91fc2665e264297030b3721359f1c784&f=75

[manono]

Or you could update your DVD-RB Pro version to the most recent one:

- Implemented a change that can reduce the likelihood of "Error #0003, buffer overflow" on oddly formatted source streams.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=821888#post821888

[strongbad]

I updated and it fixed the problem. Now my other problem. How do I set the bitrate I want? If I record something that is 3 hours long and I decide to grab 1.3hrs of that to put on DVD, how would I set the bitrate or will it maximize the bitrate for that timeframe automatically? The source file is 15MBit/sec CBR. I made a small 3 minute clip at 15MBit/sec and re-encoded with CCE SP and the playback was still 15MBit/sec. When I try to prepare it it says "DVD-RB Advisory: The input directory is already small enough to fit on a DVD-5. No compression necessary. Continue anyway?" Since it's a 2 minute clip at even 15MBit, it won't be nowhere near DVD-5 capacity. So is that why it won't re-encode to a lower bitrate?

[strongbad]

Since I updated to the latest version now it seems my CCE isn't working. Before the upgrade, I could see CCE pop up window showing each passes progress but since upgraded DVD-RB, that pop up doesn't show up anymore. I did a 9 pass vbr and a 2 pass vbr and they both completed in like 2 minutes. Here's the log

[17:09:40] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE UNKNOWN encoder selected.
- VTS_01: 457,714 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 17,880 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 100.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 11,250/9,000Kbs
- Space for Video : 4,424,342KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 0/9,000/9,000 Kbs
-- FEATURE does not require reencoding.
[17:11:07] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 2 minutes.
[17:11:12] Phase II ENCODING started
- Extracting Video for VTS_01 segment 0
- Extracting Video for VTS_01 segment 1
- Extracting Video for VTS_01 segment 2
- Extracting Video for VTS_01 segment 3
[17:13:07] Phase II ENCODING completed in 2 minutes.
[17:13:13] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.

[guns1inger]

A) 9 passes is insane, but each to their own.

B) According to the log, the movie doesn't need to be re-encoded.

I suspect you have found a hole in DVD Rebuilders process, because you are trying to use it for something it was not designed to do.

15mb/s is not DVD compliant, so obviously this disc does not come from a commercial DVD. DBD RB is designed to make a DVD fit into a smaller space, not re-encode a disc whose bitrate is too high. From a file size perspective, your sfits, regardless of the bitrate being used. If you just want to reduce the bitrate, demux the video, re-encode manually with CCE, then re-author.

[strongbad]

A) 9 passes is insane, but each to their own.

B) According to the log, the movie doesn't need to be re-encoded.

I suspect you have found a hole in DVD Rebuilders process, because you are trying to use it for something it was not designed to do.

15mb/s is not DVD compliant, so obviously this disc does not come from a commercial DVD. DBD RB is designed to make a DVD fit into a smaller space, not re-encode a disc whose bitrate is too high. From a file size perspective, your sfits, regardless of the bitrate being used. If you just want to reduce the bitrate, demux the video, re-encode manually with CCE, then re-author.

9 passes is just a test to see if the program does what I commanded it.

I know 15mb isn't DVD compliant, thats why I'm trying to get it in compliance. I don't know how to demux. All I'm trying to do is re-encode my source 15mb mpeg2 cap to a compliant DVD. I'm having trouble getting DVD-RB to do this. I tried to use CCE alone but it doesn't accept any mpeg2. It only takes avi, mov and things like that. This shit is difficult.

The process I'm doing now is, I record using my PVR USB2 hauppauge at 15mb, since DVD-RB won't accept mpeg2 (I don't know anything else) I have to author it in TMPGENC DVD and ignore the warnings of non compliant DVD's. It's strange, if I do a small 15mb capture and run it through TMPGENC then it will accept it but if I cap a long 15mb file and run it through TMPGENC, then it will say no decoder detected or something like that preventing me from going further. Then at that point I run that mpeg2 that TMPGENC rejected in MPEG-VCR and save it w/o editing which takes a while, and then re-run that saved copy in TMPGENC then it authors it. I then have to use DVD-RB to re-encode that to a smaller size trying to preserve as much with CCE. To me that seems like a stupid process for the ignorant like myself. I am trying to do this the simplest way but I have no idea how to do this. Help (shakes head) I am a user of Pioneer 633 standalone DVD recorder (oh how simple that is). I just bought a cap card recently just so I can record games that air simultaneously with what my DVD-R is recording.

[guns1inger]

Not if you use the right tools. try using DGindex and avisynth to frameserve to CCE.

[manono]

I tried to use CCE alone but it doesn't accept any mpeg2.

Who told you that? Feed it an AviSynth script set up properly, and it'll encode just fine. No, it won't encode if you just drop the MPEG into CCE, but doing that with your AVIs is also a very bad way to go about it. I believe you can also frameserve it with VDubMod, but I'm not positive, as I don't do it that way.

If you insist on using DVD-RB for the job (a waste of time, if you ask me), you'll have to set an output size lower than the input size, to force it to use CCE for encoding. To do that you'll have to edit the Rebuilder.ini file by adding a proper CCETargetSectors line.

[strongbad]

Quick response, thanks! I'll try that dgindex.

[strongbad]

Ok I just tried DGIndex. I went to OPEN and located the mpeg2 that I want. I don't know what to do from this point on. I don't know how to get it to work in conjunction with CCE?

[guns1inger]

Open the file and save a project. This will give you a small(ish) fie with the extension .d2v.

Download the vfapi tool. Extract the folder to it's final resting place, and run the .bat file included in the archive. This will install the program. Run VFAPIConvEN.exe, and load the .d2v file. When you save it, VFAPI will create a small(ish) .avi file. Load this into CCE and encode.

You are basically setting up a (slightly) convoluted frameserver to feed your mpeg file to CCE.

I know it seems complicated - many of these things do the first time - however after a couple of goes it will be second nature.

There is a simpler approach you might consider, just for quality comparison again CCE. There is a tool called Rejig. Amongst it's many talents is the ability to transcode mpeg files in much the same way that DVD Shrink transcodes VOBs. It will be much simpler than DGIndex (just load and go), however depending o the headroom in the original, transcoding may produce lower quality than a full re-encode, albeit at a greater time saving.

Try both, see which one works best for you.

[strongbad]

That procedure sounded easy enough but when I got vfapi and made the small avi, I loaded that in CCE and hit encode and it just stopped working and the cce screen disappeared. I tried using CCE SP 2.67 and SP Trial 2.70 with the same problem. I'm losing my mind

[strongbad]

I'm having no success with all the above programs. So I went ahead and installed my old copy of TMPGENC Plus. It's ok I guess but I'm limited to 2-pass only and max of 8Mb/sec. It doesn't give you much control like CCE does. I think it's old technology too so I really need to understand how to use AVsynth or DGindex with CCE. I just don't understand it.

[manono]

Hi-

The DGMPGDec package comes with 3 excellent help files, particularly the QuickStart guide. Read them about half a dozen times until you've memorized them. They will get you started with AviSynth. Next, read everything on the AviSynth site:

www.avisynth.org.

There's also a page on beginning script writing. And, as guns1inger suggested earlier, you can use FitCD to generate the basic script for you. A basic script goes like this:

LoadPlugin("C:\Path\To\DGDecode.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\To\Movie.d2v")

Adjust for your paths, and test it out by opening it in VDub(Mod). Do that always before sending the script to CCE, as VDubMod will give you an error message, whereas CCE either won't, or just give you something that is no help in diagnosing the problem, Scroll around, Have a look at your movie.

I'm sure guns1inger was recommending the VFAPI method because it's easy, but it's obsolete, slow, and produces inferior results. Go AviSynth all the way. May as well learn to do it right, if this is going to become a hobby of yours.

Ok I just tried DGIndex. I went to OPEN and located the mpeg2 that I want. I don't know what to do from this point on. I don't know how to get it to work in conjunction with CCE?

After opening it, go File->Save Project. It creates a D2V file for use in the script above. AviSynth is a frameserver, delivering the frames to the encoder as needed. In addition, it allows for filtering, cropping, resizing, IVTC, smoothing and denoising and a million other things. It 's thoroughly explained in the DGMPGDec help files, if you'd only bother to read them. All of us are happy to help if you'll only meet us half way by doing some reading and studying on your own.

More reading. DVD2AVI is an earlier version of what today has evolved into DGIndex. Old but still useful:

http://www.doom9.org/ivtc-tut.htm

[guns1inger]

I'm sure guns1inger was recommending the VFAPI method because it's easy

Exactly. Many people shy away from avisynth the first time out.

[strongbad]

Everything you guys said is Chinese to me. I'm not an advanced video editing user. I'm just trying to do one simple thing. All these other steps and programs is just confusing me more and more. I don't even know how to open avisynth. It has no executable. This definitely isn't a hobby of mine. I just want to make a DVD in good quality that is all. Seems the capture card business is not for me. I'll just return this tomorrow. Too many headaches.

[guns1inger]

Before you give up in disgust, this entire post started because you captured at 15mb/s. If, on the otherhand, you had captured at a compliant bitrate to begin with, none of this would have been necessary.

Obviously the running time is short enough to fit comfortably on a single layer DVD, or rebuilder would have done something about it. So try capturing again at around 8 - 8.5mb/s. You will then have a compliant mpeg that you can author without the need to re-encode for bitrate.

[mastersmurfie]

Before you give up in disgust, this entire post started because you captured at 15mb/s. If, on the otherhand, you had captured at a compliant bitrate to begin with, none of this would have been necessary.

Obviously the running time is short enough to fit comfortably on a single layer DVD, or rebuilder would have done something about it. So try capturing again at around 8 - 8.5mb/s. You will then have a compliant mpeg that you can author without the need to re-encode for bitrate.

I was going to essentially ask/say the same thing. Wondering...why is your original capture at such a high bitrate? You seem to be capturing from broadcast TV

I just bought a cap card recently just so I can record games that air simultaneously with what my DVD-R is recording.

I capture daily using an old ATI card, with a Variable BitRate, the max is set at 6mb/s...

As gunsl1inger suggested, try first capturing your original at a lower bit rate.

[strongbad]

The short clips that I made were just some quick tests I wanted to run before I started to test a really big file that would take a few hours. Yes, I could make a cap at DVD specs but I record basketball, NFL and other sports and the runtime is unpredictable and it varies. So I like to record everything at the highest possible and just edit out unwanted stuff and put a certain amount onto 1 single layer. For example, if I had a 3 hour game and after editing commercials out it turns out to be 2.5 hours, I'd split those up into 2 discs at 1.15. Then I'd take the 15MBit cap and re-encode to the appropriate bitrate for the running time I'm targeting. That was my only goal. Getting there seems very difficult for me. If I initially started with an 8MBit cap then that would only be for 1 hour and I'd have to re-encode anyway to fit more content so I might as well start at 15MBit instead.

[manono]

You just install AviSynth. After that it's entirely text based. You make an .avs with the scripts inside. An .avs is just a renamed .txt file, so, for example, create a Movie.txt file and rename it as Movie.avs. Inside you put some variation of that basic script above, or something that FitCD gives you. You can open it in VDub(Mod) to scroll around, or even play it like a video, using any one of the many players that support AviSynth scripts.

Although it might have been easier to make the initial capture at a lower bitrate, I can understand why you used the much higher bitrate, with the intention of reencoding it to spec. If I were capturing to MPEG-2 (not sure I would), I'd likely do the same thing. But all that is dependent on knowing how to get that .mpg reencoded. If you can't lick that problem, then the lower bitrate suggestions are good ones.