CCE Encoder help for Saving Private Ryan

[Hardcore310]

I have tried a number of programs for transcoding the movie only, but they don't seem to be doing a very good job because of the high compression rate it has to do. 55-60%.

I'm not a fan of putting it on 2 disks so I tried DVD2DVD-R. It takes a long time, but the first time I did it the quality was pretty good, but It had the CCE encoder flag which happens with the trial version. I bought the CCE encoder, tried it again, and the quality is horrible. I know why, and it is because I changed the settings for the encoder. Could someone please tell me the correct settings for the following for this movie. I've read the quide on Doom9, but It seems very general. I want specific settings for this type of movie.

Encoder Options:

Progressive Frames
Linear Quartizer Scale
Zigzag Scanning order
Upper Field First

Force Film
2:3 Pulldown
Set Drop Frame Flag
Set Progressive flag

I've read what these options do, but It seems a little fuzzy... well alot. So could anybody help me out to get the best settings out of the encoder.

Thanks for you help

[FulciLives]

Here is a guide to get you started:

http://www.mpegit.net/eng_dvdr_cce_basic.php

It is an older guide using AviSynth 2.0x instead of the newer AviSynth 2.5x but it has the basic information you need along with settings for CCE BASIC.

These settings are assuming a 23.976fps D2V file though i.e., FORCE FILM option enabled but that isn't possible with all DVD releases.

My guess though is that SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is 23.976fps progressive.

As for that guide ... some quick notes ...

1.) In DVD2AVI use YUV/YUY2 colorspace ... not RGB
2.) For "Intra DC precision" I would use 10 unless your bitrate is under 4000kbps for Full D1 resolution (720x480/576 NTSC/PAL) then use 9
3.) If the final bitrate will be less than 4000kbps then consider using Half D1 resolution (352x480/576 NTSC/PAL)
4.) I like to set the MIN bitrate to no less than 1500kbps to 2000kbps and I never set the MAX bitrate over 8000kbps

Good Luck!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Hardcore310]

Sorry, I just don't understand how this quide relates to CCE? Can't find anything on options or explainations.

Thx for the reply though

[FulciLives]

Sorry, I just don't understand how this quide relates to CCE? Can't find anything on options or explainations.

Thx for the reply though

Sorry me bad somehow posted a link to the wrong guide.

I fixed the link in my post above but here it again:

http://www.mpegit.net/eng_dvdr_cce_basic.php

Sorry about that!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[musher70]

try dvd-rebuilder in the tools section

it is the best way ever....

[Hardcore310]

Yeah I might have to.

I don't know about this CCE encoder thing. I've tried it about 6 times for Saving private ryan. The last time I encoded it with a 3 pass and the time before I encoded 1 pass. The quality of the 1 pass was better than the 3... way better. No setting changes. I'm beginning to think this CCE encoding using DVD2DVD-R is a waste of time. Back to DVDshrink i guess.

Not impressed at all with the quality

[DereX888]

musher70

try dvd-rebuilder in the tools section

it is the best way ever....

corrections: it is probably easiest way, but not the best way.

[DereX888]

Hardcore310:

don't know about this CCE encoder thing. I've tried it about 6 times for Saving private ryan. The last time I encoded it with a 3 pass and the time before I encoded 1 pass. The quality of the 1 pass was better than the 3... way better. No setting changes. I'm beginning to think this CCE encoding using DVD2DVD-R is a waste of time.

CCE is an encoder, nothing else. If you feed it wrong setting you get shit, ain't it obvious?
First - 3pass VBR for encoding some 3hrs movie to fit on a 4.3GB disc is obviously not enough (unless you resized it to D2). Give it at least 6pass.
The bigger the source file the more VBR passes you need to cut down the size and keep the quality as good as possible.
I wouldnt create average movie on SVCD without less than 4 passes or it wouldnt look good, and you want to get away with 3 passes on DVD on a very high-motion movie - what you've expected?

CCE is not waste of time. It is just not for the newbies who dont wanna learn proper way - there is always quickie way like DVDShrink and such.

[Hardcore310]

CCE is an encoder, nothing else. If you feed it wrong setting you get shit, ain't it obvious?

Umm... NO. It may be obvious for you.


First - 3pass VBR for encoding some 3hrs movie to fit on a 4.3GB disc is obviously not enough (unless you resized it to D2). Give it at least 6pass.
The bigger the source file the more VBR passes you need to cut down the size and keep the quality as good as possible.

Okay, I was understanding that 3 pass was more than enough and anymore was overkill, but I will definetly try 6 pass.


I wouldnt create average movie on SVCD without less than 4 passes or it wouldnt look good, and you want to get away with 3 passes on DVD on a very high-motion movie - what you've expected?

I expected 3 pass would be good enough.

CCE is not waste of time. It is just not for the newbies who dont wanna learn proper way - there is always quickie way like DVDShrink

The quickie way has given me consistently better quality. If your indicating I'm a newbie who doesn't want to learn, your wrong. I'm just having a hard time understanding the correct settings to apply to the CCE encoder for it to work properly. I have read on what settings to apply and it is just frustrating to wait 12 hours for it to complete just to find out the quality is worse than dvdshrink.

If you could help me out on the settings, that would be great, instead of condemning me as a newbie.

[FulciLives]

What about the guide and tips I've posted.

Did you attempt to follow that?

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Hardcore310]

Yes I read through the whole thing. Thx again. But still confused with some of the settings. Guess I will have to experiment.

[FulciLives]

Yes I read through the whole thing. Thx again. But still confused with some of the settings. Guess I will have to experiment.

Well what settings are confusing you perhaps I or someone else can let you know what to do on the settings youare confused on.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[DereX888]

@Hardcore310

I didnt 'condemn' you anywhere.
I simply posted reply to exact specific words of yours, which I included in attached quote. And I gave you some hints there based on what you've wrote, as well FulciLives - anyway why not try his guide for starters?

You want some instant formula ('settings') tailored for your specific movies.
Im sorry but it doesnt work this way (unless I would do simultaneuosly with you backup of exctly same movie here).
Each movie is different and YOU have to tailor your strategy to what you need/expect. Like i.e. the amount of VBR passes - someone probably told you 3-passes is good enough. Perhaps he did some short black and white movie to dvd, and yes, it would be enough, he still was correct *in his case*. I've put a 3.5hrs long mostly low-motion B&W movie on a single DVD in the past with no more than 4 passes IIRC, and the results were excellent too, but thats not the point. The point is that without knowing or learning at least some basics your only viable choice is only DVDShrink or similar point/n/click software that do the "thinking" part for you.

[troyvcd1]

Just use dvdrebuilder (or dvd2dvdr) or you have to read all the guides and that takes a lot of time. Rebuilder and dvd2dvdr at 3 pass will get you all the quality you are going to get by doing it yourself anyway. A side note is that you will have to edit your registry settings to use rebuilder after using dvd2dvdr. Dvd2dvdr putts your avisynth plugin directory links in the wrong place so you have to edit your registry to use dvdrebuilder.

[Hardcore310]

Yeah, trying rebuilder now. Took a while to get things setup, but the program is running. Will let you know how it turns out. Hopefully thumbs up!

I am looking for ways to backup up this movie specifically. I can't seem to find a good combination. I'm not going to ask for specific settings for every movie I have done or will do because they all have turned out fine. I'm am having problems getting the video to turn out on this specific film whether it is caused by high compression or the type of video... I dunno. I am going to get a good copy of this, and I thank everyone for helping me out.