perfect (exact) copy software for movie dvds?

[IkeJon]

It seems i'll be hung for asking, but i've been using dvdxcopy gold, and what a nightmare!

It actually worked three or four times, but began crashing lately. but after uninstalling half of my computer (antivirus and such) and reinstalling the software a million times, i'm giving up. The last idea i have is to adjust the CS/master/slave setup.

Without loss of quality or compression, are there any success stories with other software for backing up movies?



DvdxcopyGold: $100 bucks down the toilet.

[lechtin]

Since you used DVDXCOPY, I'll assume you don't mind splitting movies into many DVDs if it means using no compression.

There might be more complex ways and they might keep more data (menus and extras), but here is a simple way. Use DVDShrink to re-author only the main movie. In that mode, you can trim the beginning and the end of movies, so first perform a re-author from chapter 1 to the middle (or whatever you like) of the movie, then re-author again from the middle to the last chapter. Just make sure you do not select enough to bust the 4.3GB limit. Then burn the 2 sets of files and you have your movie on 2 DVDs without compression. (I've actually backed up LOTR Extended edition which is on 2 DVDs to 3 DVDs without compression and keeping the DTS soundtrack).

If you do not know DVDShrink, look for it in the tools section (it's free), read the guides, and come back to my suggestion.

[housepig]

for an exact copy, you can use DVD Decrypter and make an .iso image - if it's a dvd-5.

for a dvd-9, since we don't have the burnable capacity yet, you have to compromise in some way - either splitting the content over two discs, or removing some content and / or compressing the content. DVD Shrink can help with all these options.

But depending on the content of the disc, you will take a quality hit - how much that matters depends on you.

[offline]

Without loss of quality or compression, are there any success stories with other software for backing up movies?

Uhhuh.. DVDfab

[Faustus]

If you wanting exact copies with nothing removed and good quality the only way to go is to use the Big 3 method talked about on doom9.org. WARNING it can be complicated to do because its NOT an all in one program and it takes a long time.

[IkeJon]

hey, thanks everybody.
I downloaded dvdshrink and will try it tonight. I dont mind splitting them up over 2 discs. But i'm glad to hear it can cut out extras and such. I am mostly concerned with the movie itself (and being perfect quality).

I was hoping there would be a way to do long movies like LOTR, thanks Lechtin.

[sumibas]

You can use DVDFAB For the same porpose. but it is not free as DVD srink

[donpedro]

DVDDecrypter
IfoEdit
and www.doom9.org backup guides is all I need for lossless copy (1to1 or 1to2)

[Faustus]

hey, thanks everybody.
I downloaded dvdshrink and will try it tonight. I dont mind splitting them up over 2 discs. But i'm glad to hear it can cut out extras and such. I am mostly concerned with the movie itself (and being perfect quality).

I was hoping there would be a way to do long movies like LOTR, thanks Lechtin.

For movie only with "Perfect" quality if your not concerned with time look into either DVD2SVCD in DVD2DVD mode, or theprogram called DVD2DVDr. Both use CCE for movie only disc. Slightly faster then the Big3 with near perfect results everytime.

[johns0]

Dvdshrink is my first choice.Cce for multiple movies in 1/2 dvd.

[Faustus]

Well the guy keeps saying Perfect quality, I don't see how DVDShrink or any transcoder is going to be a ctach all to him. He'll be horribly disspointed the first time he tries it with like a 2 and half or 3 hour high bitrate movie.

[Jah_Rankin]

Perfect copies, Blockbuster previewed movies @ 9.99 for new releases.

[IkeJon]

Perfect copies, Blockbuster previewed movies @ 9.99 for new releases.

Very funny. But i live in the woods of florida where the closest blockbuster is a boat ride through alligators, then on the back of a donkey through the backwoods, through crime laden back alleys home to crack-hoes. So i dont make it to blockbuster too often.

[aleem]

just use the latest nero recode

[IkeJon]

well, i may have sounded a little too picky. But dont get me wrong, i know with some compressed movies, i can barely tell the difference.

So, I'm really most concerned with backup of movies to best quality that are rich in cinamatography; like Lord of the Rings. Movies like the Toxic Avenger, i could care less, and will compress to one disc.

But thanks again for all of your suggestions, you've set me in the right direction.

[Jayhawk]

If you don't mind multiple discs and you are primarily interested in movie only the DVDShrink or DVD2One should work fine for you. You'd have to be backing up almost a 4 hour movie to even see any compression at all using 2 discs.

[Jah_Rankin]

Perfect copies, Blockbuster previewed movies @ 9.99 for new releases.

Very funny. But i live in the woods of florida where the closest blockbuster is a boat ride through alligators, then on the back of a donkey through the backwoods, through crime laden back alleys home to crack-hoes. So i dont make it to blockbuster too often.

Then U should b making your own movies if u r exposed 2 those conditions.

[scubasteve2365]

There is also a misconsemption about quality. Just because you compress the movie by lets say 10% , that doesnt necessarily mean that you lost 10% of video quality. When dealing with Mpeg format, the original encoded data has a varible bitrate. Dark scenes dont take as much data as big bright scenes ect. Somewhere along the burning process ... the bitrates level out somewhat (I think they do this on purpose, they would have to) ... In the lower bitrate scenes its made larger so that the bitrate over the movie is more consistant (I would assume it has to do with maybe being easier on processors, and standalone players to play, with a consistant bitrate) ... when you run Deep analysis in DVD shrink ... this is what it looks for .... so if your worried about compression ... use shrink with DVD analysis .... and for just about every movie ... even if you go down to around 75% of original compression ... I doubt you will see a difference .... just make sure to dump out the uncecessary audio ...

[donpedro]

There is also a misconsemption about quality. Just because you compress the movie by lets say 10% , that doesnt necessarily mean that you lost 10% of video quality.

Well it is 10% less and it does not realy matter how you look at that. So yes, you will loose 10% of video quality. Whether you can see it or you care is another question. I did, so any lowering is unacceptable for me. That is why I do not SHRINK or XCOPY or 2ONE my backups.

[IkeJon]

Thanks scubasteve2365,
I'll give that some consideration while checking out the dvd analysis. What do you mean by dumping out the unecessary audio? The other languages?

Also, I was actually curious about this issue with movies like Batman or Underworld which are extraoridnarily dark throughout.

[Jah_Rankin]

There is also a misconsemption about quality. Just because you compress the movie by lets say 10% , that doesnt necessarily mean that you lost 10% of video quality.

Well it is 10% less and it does not realy matter how you look at that. So yes, you will loose 10% of video quality. Whether you can see it or you care is another question. I did, so any lowering is unacceptable for me. That is why I do not SHRINK or XCOPY or 2ONE my backups.

So what process do u use?

[donpedro]

So what process do u use?

Just scroll up or click here https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=772565#772565

[Jah_Rankin]

So what process do u use?

Just scroll up or click here https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=772565#772565

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view.

[donpedro]

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view.

What the hell are you talking about ?

[Jah_Rankin]

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I'm talking about CCe or TMpg, what ever the name is, method of conversion. It's not worth the wait in my view. I sumtimes copy 8 or more movies a day starting @ 4:00 eastern time, return it back in the mail by 5 pm and whala, 8 more movies on it's way to me by the following day after i recieve them from netflix, with speed, quality plus time consumption. The 30 minute to an hour conversion proggy's is the way to go. My Dvd collection is steadily growing while u r waiting for your so called perfect copies overnite encoding. 8)

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[donpedro]

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I'm talking about CCe or TMpg, what ever the name is, method of conversion. It's not worth the wait in my view. I sumtimes copy 8 or more movies a day starting @ 4:00 eastern time, return it back in the mail by 5 pm and whala, 8 more movies on it's way to me by the following day after i recieve them from netflix, with speed, quality plus time consumption. The 30 minute to an hour conversion proggy's is the way to go. My Dvd collection is steadily growing while u r waiting for your so called perfect copies overnite encoding. 8)

You are sooooooo wrong with your assumptions...
I will clarify later

[stream]

So what process do u use?

Just scroll up or click here https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=772565#772565

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective :o . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view. :cry:

Back when I had dual P-III's (ReMpeg won't run on my new Xeon's), I used ReMpeg to transcode my movies. I typically compressed movies at 70% to 90% of their original quality (so loosing about 20% or so of quality). Now I just use DVDShrink 3.0, which does nearly a good of job in 1/10 the time.

Just the ReMpeg part of the process took about 20 to 25 hours on my dual 933mhz's. But, I guarantee you couldn't tell the difference on a 60-inch plasma screen :)

If you value quality, it's worth it.

-Jesse

[Jah_Rankin]

Please!!!!!! Who the hell in their right mind have 5 + hrs or to wait on your method of conversion4 somewhat slightly better results than the other proggys that r much faster and just as effective . I'ts not worth the wait my friend, never everrrrrrrrrr. In my view.

What the hell are you talking about ?

I'm talking about CCe or TMpg, what ever the name is, method of conversion. It's not worth the wait in my view. I sumtimes copy 8 or more movies a day starting @ 4:00 eastern time, return it back in the mail by 5 pm and whala, 8 more movies on it's way to me by the following day after i recieve them from netflix, with speed, quality plus time consumption. The 30 minute to an hour conversion proggy's is the way to go. My Dvd collection is steadily growing while u r waiting for your so called perfect copies overnite encoding. 8)

You are sooooooo wrong with your assumptions...
I will clarify later

DVD2SVCD or DVD2DVDr uses the encoded i mentioned. Who r u trying 2 B.S

[Jah_Rankin]

Just the ReMpeg part of the process took about 20 to 25 hours on my dual 933mhz's. But, I guarantee you couldn't tell the difference on a 60-inch plasma screen

If you value quality, it's worth it.

-Jesse[/quote] in 20 to 25 hrs I did 16 dvd copies plus looked @ all of them I have 32 inch tv that I used a tweaking guide to caliberate and it gives me a sharp enough pic quality where i can tell good quality back ups. if u can afford to pay $4,000 to $12,000 for a 60 inch plasma, u sure can buy multiple copies of dvd titles,

[donpedro]

One more time and this time I will be more specific.

1. All I need is DVDDecrypter to get movie from DVD to PC.

2. One of the following two guides from www.doom9.org (instructions, not additional sofware)

- 1 to 2 :Split a DVD to 2 DVD-Rs
- 1 to 1 :How to keep only the main movie of a DVD

3. IfoEdit that is used it these guides.

4. Nero or any DVD burning sofware.

As you can see No re-encoding, no 8h and finaly NO LOSS AT ALL and it is probably faster then any other method I would assume.