Black/Outer lines look blurry/fuzzy

[darkdream787]

I have been working on a couple DVD's of mine using AVISynth and I noticed in the source both before and after I wrote my script, the black lines look pretty blurry or fuzzy. The source looks like that too so its not a filter that Im using thats causing this. I havent done anything but resize, crop, antialias, and sharpen and I turned them off to see if it was one of them doing it.

In alot of scenes they seem to be for the most part fine. Their still a tad blurry looking, but not as blurry like in the 2 bottom pictures below.


















Heres an example of what I mean when I say black lines can look blurry or fuzzyish at times. It seems easier to see what I mean in these 2 pictures. If I can lessen or fix that, then Ill be more than happy with it.














any avisynth plugin or filter suggestions to help out?

[poisondeathray]

Typically what is used are:

1) line thinners e.g. awarpsharp, awarpsharp2

2) line darkeners e.g. toon, fastlinedarken, hysteria

[darkdream787]

Sorry I didnt mention it. The first things I tried were awarpsharp at several different settings it didnt really make it any better. The awarpsharp line thinner did do the job eventually, but I had to set it so high that the lines ended up too thin for my liking and it was ruining the overall picture to me and I didnt like it. Though it did make the bottom 2 pictures look better, the 4 pictures that look decent started to look ruined with thinned lines. I didnt really accept the thinning it did to the lines after the depth hit over 6.0 then it was more than I was willing to shave off the lines because it was getting too noticable that the lines were being thinned. When at 6.0 depth or lower it did somewhat decent on the top 4 pics but on the bottom 2 it wasnt really noticable, all I notice was the lines looking a bit thinner and it took detail away I would say.


Is there a different way or setting to thin the lines without it making it very obvious their being thinned?




I was just about to try a line darkener before you posted that (the fastlinedarkener and toon ones were what I was going to try) but usually those end up making the lines too dark for my liking. I hope it doesnt do that for this.

[poisondeathray]

Sorry I didnt mention it. The first things I tried were awarpsharp at several different settings it didnt really make it any better. The awarpsharp line thinner did do the job eventually, but I had to set it so high that the lines ended up too thin for my liking and it was ruining the overall picture to me and I didnt like it. Though it did make the bottom 2 pictures look better, the 4 pictures that look decent started to look ruined with thinned lines. I didnt really accept the thinning it did to the lines after the depth hit over 6.0 then it was more than I was willing to shave off the lines because it was getting too noticable that the lines were being thinned. When at 6.0 depth or lower it did somewhat decent on the top 4 pics but on the bottom 2 it wasnt really noticable, all I notice was the lines looking a bit thinner and it took detail away I would say.

You're looking for 1 size fits all. It's not going to happen

If some parts are less blurry, then apply the filter(s) with different settings to different sections . Or only apply to those sections that need it

No filter will autodetect how much needs to be done to satisfy your personal taste

[darkdream787]

Sorry I didnt mention it. The first things I tried were awarpsharp at several different settings it didnt really make it any better. The awarpsharp line thinner did do the job eventually, but I had to set it so high that the lines ended up too thin for my liking and it was ruining the overall picture to me and I didnt like it. Though it did make the bottom 2 pictures look better, the 4 pictures that look decent started to look ruined with thinned lines. I didnt really accept the thinning it did to the lines after the depth hit over 6.0 then it was more than I was willing to shave off the lines because it was getting too noticable that the lines were being thinned. When at 6.0 depth or lower it did somewhat decent on the top 4 pics but on the bottom 2 it wasnt really noticable, all I notice was the lines looking a bit thinner and it took detail away I would say.

You're looking for 1 size fits all. It's not going to happen

If some parts are less blurry, then apply the filter(s) with different settings to different sections . Or only apply to those sections that need it

No filter will autodetect how much needs to be done to satisfy your personal taste

Im afraid I dont know how to tell the filter to only turn on during sets of specified frames and only when needed.
When I turn it on, its for the entire thing.


Ill have to do some research on google or ask around some, but do you mind trying to explain how I would tell awarpsharp I only want it filter frames 2000-3000 and then 5000-6000 for example? is that how you do it, by specifying exact frames in the script I take it?


how would I write it in there?

[poisondeathray]

This question is frequently asked - you can use search for the various approaches - there are many different ways to do it. Briefly, you can apply filters to different ranges through trim() , applyrange() , use replaceframessimple() , or similar filters like clipclop()

I'll show one example with Trim() , applying to 2000-3000, 5000-6000

Orig=MPEG2Source()

Orig
#Apply Filters Here
Filtered=last

Orig.Trim(0,1999) ++ Filtered.Trim(2000,3000) ++ Orig.Trim(3001, 4999) ++ Filtered.Trim(5000,6000) ++ Orig.Trim(6001,0)

When you have more complex sets of different filters, it's usually better/easier to use one of the other methods. The trim and aligned splice (++) method is usually only for a few sections with the same filters

[jagabo]

Sharpen(~0.3)

[2Bdecided]

limitedsharpenfaster

[darkdream787]

limitedsharpenfaster

I was already using that to begin with. Its a good sharpener and one of the better ones I know of, but it didnt fix the line issue.


The line thinner suggested earlier is what did it for me and got me what I needed.