2 black lines help

[taztaz]

hi all i have just brought me a blue ray panasonic sc-bt100 and a 42" PHILIPS Aurea with amber light my problem is is i carnt get rid of the black bars at the top and bottom when watchin a dvd, it ruins the amber light experience i have tryed changing all the aspect ratios on dvd and tv but no joy?? it is in full frame untill the movie starts ?
any help would be appreached
thx brad

[tinker]

Wide screen TV is 16:9 ratio(1.78 ). Movies are made in 1.85(common) and can be up to 2.39 ratio, that is why black bars on top and bottom. Menus are usualy full screen 16:9.
Nothing you can do about it.
You can use Pan and Scan setting, but it will chop the sides of the picture.

[taztaz]

hi there thanks for your reply does this just aply to blueray players then as my old dvd player didnt do this
regards brad ....

[guns1inger]

Use the zoom function on the TV, but again, you will lose the edges of the image. On 2.35:1 or wider this can be up to a third of the screen gone.

[manono]

does this just aply to blueray players then as my old dvd player didnt do this

If you were watching a DVD whose movie was wider than 1.78:1 (a 2.35:1 film, for example), and you were watching on this same widescreen TV set, and the player and TV were set up properly, then your old DVD player did do it. If you're saying the movies appear differently when using the same widescreen TV set, but alternating the 2 players, then one or the other player is set up incorrectly, or you used different settings on the TV set for the 2 players (different zoom or aspect modes). Maybe your new Blu-Ray player has to be set up to output for 16:9 (widescreen) TV sets. Outputting for 4:3 may be the default.

[tinker]

If you were watching a DVD whose movie was wider than 1.78:1 (a 2.35:1 film, for example), and you were watching on this same widescreen TV set, and the player and TV were set up properly, then your old DVD player did do it. If you're saying the movies appear differently when using the same widescreen TV set, but alternating the 2 players, then one or the other player is set up incorrectly, or you used different settings on the TV set for the 2 players (different zoom or aspect modes). Maybe your new Blu-Ray player has to be set up to output for 16:9 (widescreen) TV sets. Outputting for 4:3 may be the default.

I have to respectfully disagree with the above statement.

If the movie is made in different aspect ratio than 16:9, than you will see black bars on top and bottom of the picture no mater what, even if DVD and TV is set correctly.
There are different zooms on some TV itself, you can use to fill the screen, but in that case you loose part of the picture.
This may give you some insight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)
http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen.shtml

[manono]

I'm not sure you understood what I said. Or maybe I didn't understand what you said. I was assuming a 16:9 DVD, with a wider screen movie inside. I was assuming a widescreen movie in his Blu-Ray disc. Both maybe 2.35:1 or thereabouts. taztaz said the DVD when played didn't have black bars while the Blu-Ray disc did have black bars. Assuming the DVD isn't pan-and-scan or cropped in some way, I said (maybe not very clearly) that both have to have black bars. If his DVD player didn't show the black bars, then either it was set up wrong, or he was using some incorrect zoom or aspect setting on his TV set.

does this just aply to blueray players then as my old dvd player didnt do this

...If you're saying the movies appear differently when using the same widescreen TV set, but alternating the 2 players, then one or the other player is set up incorrectly, or you used different settings on the TV set for the 2 players (different zoom or aspect modes).

I think I was agreeing with your first post, tinker, but disagreeing with taztaz that his old DVD player didn't do it.

[tinker]

manono, this is OK, as long as we understand each other.
I think it was my mistake, because I did not read his second post careful enough.

[MysticE]

hi all i have just brought me a blue ray panasonic sc-bt100 and a 42" PHILIPS Aurea with amber light my problem is is i carnt get rid of the black bars at the top and bottom when watchin a dvd, it ruins the amber light experience i have tryed changing all the aspect ratios on dvd and tv but no joy?? it is in full frame untill the movie starts ?
any help would be appreached
thx brad

This appears to be the nature of this set.

having just bought a sony blu ray player i could not believe my eyes when the screen had a 3'' black bar at the top and the same at the bottom and no way of zooming in.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3133

[manono]

This appears to be the nature of this set.

What, that you can't zoom it in? Good, I say. Why should he want to (and cut off the sides)? There's a firmware upgrade available for that amber light problem. And he should have known about amber light before buying it, or seen it in action, as not everyone thinks it's such a great feature, based on the review to which the guy linked.

Nice find with that review. It makes taztaz's complaint more understandable, not that I have any more sympathy for him.

[taztaz]

ok thanks to all your replys but dont really understand all of what you are saying all i really need to no can i get rid of them black lines on the set up iv have got because it seems stupid that i spend over 3000 pound and i carnt get the full effect of my tv thx again

[guns1inger]

Did you spend 3000 pounds to watch movies, or for the silly (and for my money, needlessly distracting) effect ?

If you bought it to watch movies, then why would you want to zoom in and miss large parts of the image ?

Personally, I think you spent 3000 pounds on an average TV surrounded by a very expensive gimmick.

[taztaz]

hi again im just trying to find out if its my tv that wont let me watch in full screen or the panasonic blue ray home cinema that wont play it full screen .......it the package that cost over 3000 not just the tv lol......

[MysticE]

hi again im just trying to find out if its my tv that wont let me watch in full screen or the panasonic blue ray home cinema that wont play it full screen .......it the package that cost over 3000 not just the tv lol......

Did you read any of the posts from the link I provided?

... no way of zooming in. Today i had a visit from 2 repair men from Phillips... and they said the tv was normal it is the way Phillips have set up... This can't be the way you have to view an expensive state of the art tv and one of the best in high quality players, what's the point then of buying a big screen tv and not getting what the tv is meant to do and fill the full screen. Very disappointed aurea customer

• HD movies in letterbox format cannot be expanded to full screen,

[manono]

...what's the point then of buying a big screen tv and not getting what the tv is meant to do and fill the full screen.

Hehe, I love comments like that, and it seems to be a fairly common feeling - that all movies should be created 1.78:1 because, "When I buy a 16:9 TV set, all movies should fill it. If they weren't created that way, they should be cropped so they fill the screen. If they weren't cropped, I should be able to zoom in myself so they fill the screen." It makes the guy's whole review suspect as he's just ignorant and doesn't know any better.

But movies weren't created for 16:9 TV sets (except TV movies and shows). They were created for movie theaters. Older movies are 1.33:1 and more recent movies can be 2.39:1. All should be viewed in their OAR (original aspect ratio).

I wonder if this is common to all HDTVs playing Blu-Ray movies - if there's some sort of technical limitation that prevents zooming - or if it's just confined to this one Philips TV. Based on what the Philips guys said, it seems to be peculiar to these Aurea models from Philips.

[taztaz]

ok guys thx for all your time and your replys happy new year to u all