Veratim DL fails to burn

[Zuukz]

First let me say I'm a newbie so correct me if I'm doing anything wrong.
Here's the story..I use a Liteon 1633s burner on IDE 2 as master and have 25 gig on as secondary hardrive in IDE 1 and Nero Express that came with the burner...I use DVD Decrypter to rip to the HD and then DVD shrink to remove only menus and extras no compression and tried burning on Verabtim DVDDL discs(bought 2 of the 3 packs)...three of the discs froze at 3-4 and 5 % no response from the system after 20 minutes or so...2 additional discs did finish burning however after wathcing the movie both froze near the end of the dvd. Using the same process as above, and just using DVD shrink alone burning to Memorex DVD- and + R's worked fine, compressed to about 65% of orginal (to many artifacts for my taste). Anybody have an idea? I'm thinking of ordering the Ritek DL dvd's but this could get to expensive if they don't work well either.
TIA
Zuukz

[BSpielbauer]

Okay, I am not certain what is causing your problems, but I will at least try to help.

First off, I am curious -- what proghram is actually involved in doing the final burn? Are you still in Nero when you do this? If so, there have been quite a few issues with Nero and dual layer. They mostly involve a feature where Nero lets you declare where the layer change should occur, yet it also has an option to maintain the original layer change. This has caused a lot of people to end up with two layer changes, and this simply causes coasters, in the end.

However, I do not think this would explain why your buring is failing, early on in the actual process. Usually, the problem above results in a successful burn, but with a final disc which has problems once you try to play it.

So, my next question: is there a reason you are using Shrink to remove certain extra features? Are you trying to fit more than one disc onto a dual layer disc? If this is NOT your intent, then I wonder whether you would be better off just using DVDDecrypter to rip, and DVDDecrypter to burn. This seems right now to tbe the one reliable method of backing up a dual layer disc, if that is what you are trying to do.

The procedure is rather simple, if the above will work for you.

First, make certain you have the most recent version of Decrypter. It has to be as recent as last September, or it will not work.
You then make certain you rip using the "ISO mode" using Decrypter. This places an actual data image on your hard drive.
Then, you use Decrypter again, and make certain you are using it to burn back to the disc. You must use "ISO" mode for the burn, and you must select the "MDS" file on your hard drive as the source.

The author of the program, LightningUK, decribes the entire process as follows:

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Remove all discs from drives.

Open DVD Decrypter.

From the 'Mode' menu, select 'ISO' -> 'Read'.

Put DVD-9 disc in drive.

Take note of the 'Destination' file name.

Click the big 'Decrypt' button.

Take the DVD-9 disc out of the drive.

From the 'Mode' menu, select 'ISO' -> 'Write'.

Put a blank double layer disc in your DVD Writer.

Click the little folder icon - 'Browse for source file' - and select the MDS file created for you as part of the steps above.

Click the big 'Write' button.

Finished!

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This has worked for me. Admittedly, I am new to dual layer burning, but the expense of the media caused me to read as much as I could to try to avoid making expensive coasters. The above technique seemed to be the one "surefire" method, since it created an exact image of the original, and duplicated everyting from the layer change to the manus, extras, and every single bit of data. I realize the limitations it also encompasses, since many people will want to begin editing, too. I shall wait for this, though.

IF you have a need to edit, or you are trying to combine footage from more than one film, and you wish to use use Nero, then I cannot help you, here. I am familiar with Nero's programs, but I had heard that it was best to steer clear of them in dual layer burning, at least for now, due to the issues I mentioned above.

Hope something here can keep you going,

-Bruce in Chi-Town

[Zuukz]

Bruce,
Thanks for your response. There is a reason for using dvd shrink..I need to remove all menus from the movie. I posted before and I'll explain a bit.
This is for my friend who has a parrot. The bird loves Star Wars (Just the first 3 though). Obiously the bird can't select from menus. My freind has a multi disc changer that can play continously. African Gey parrots visual accuity is very good, so the abberitions in compressed dvd's may bother him...I know seems alot for a bird, but this is a very good friend and a very smart bird.
As for the program I use Nero Express by itself and have copied the needed files to the "video_ts" folder. and then proceed to burn...I get no messages or options for a a layer position. Of course I mentioned 2 discs did burn, but they both hang at the end (one about 3 minutes before the end and the other during credits) and would not allow the dvd player to advance to the next disc.
I've also tried the same using DVD Shrink, but it uses Nero I believe.
Anyway...yes it is getting a bit pricy, but if I can pull it off it would be great. It would be nice if you could open a "folder" with DVDDcrypter then save those files as an ISO image and burn it.
BTW..I just ordered some Ritek DL DVD's as they are listed as compatiable with my Liteon DVD burner...I'll post if they work or not.
Peace
Jay

[canadateck]

Is it legal to give a parrot a copy of a DVD?

[Zuukz]

As long as it's not a pirate...arrrrrrr.

Zuukz

[Zuukz]

Bruce,
I tried essentially what you said...I used dvd shrink (since I had already reauthored the files) and backed them selecting "ISO image file and burn with dvd decrypter" worked well. There are fewer anomolies (straight white lines tend to flicker a bit and credit sometimes also flicker" but all in all very good, much better than compressed versions.
I will try again when I get some more DL discs and I'll post the results.
Thank you again for your help.
Peace
Zuukz

[b2k6]

[snip]
The author of the program, LightningUK, decribes the entire process as follows:
===
Remove all discs from drives.
Open DVD Decrypter.
From the 'Mode' menu, select 'ISO' -> 'Read'.
Put DVD-9 disc in drive.
Take note of the 'Destination' file name.
Click the big 'Decrypt' button.
Take the DVD-9 disc out of the drive.
From the 'Mode' menu, select 'ISO' -> 'Write'.
Put a blank double layer disc in your DVD Writer.
Click the little folder icon - 'Browse for source file' - and select the MDS file created for you as part of the steps above.
Click the big 'Write' button.
Finished!
=============

Okay, of course the recommended program to burn the ISO is now ImgBurn, also by the author of DVD Decrypter for anyone who doesn't know, but what about this situation....please help, I have many movies ripped to hard drives that I would like to burn to DVD-DL discs, but they were ripped by Decrypter (v3.5.4.0) in FILE mode instead of ISO. I do own the pressed discs, and could re-rip, but man, what a hassle that would be.

I did this because I use PowerDVD to watch on my computer and it doesn't read ISOs, but it will read a directory of DVD files (IFO/BUP & VOB). I like the convenience of being able to use PowerDVD to watch various movies instead of swapping DVDs in and out constantly.

I have been told not to use Nero (I don't have version 7 yet, but do have some version of Nero 6 and 5). Something about the layer change was the reason why.

Oh, I do not care about removing any content, editing, etc. A copy full of PUOs, FBI warnings, etc. is fine. In fact, it's preferable to me. I want my DL burns to be the same as the original, ideally, as much as possible at least.

My instinct is to read the files with DVD Shrink (v3.2.0.15 is what I have), but specify DVD-9 instead so there will actually be no shrinking. Remove the check next to "Remove Layer Break" for the hell of it, not like it would matter probably since the movie was already ripped with Decrypter-FILE mode, but whatever. Use DVD Shrink to "burn" to an image instead of a DVD blank disc. Finally, burn the image with ImgBurn (v1.1.0.0 is what I have, I know there is at least one update, but the changelog didn't inspire me to update yet...).

Thanks, it was a long post, but I hoped to provide all the detail necessary right away. Oh, I am posting here because I use Verbatim DL DVD+R discs and don't want them to fail. ImgBurn will calculate the "optimal" layer break, but what does that really mean? Ideally, the layer break will be the same as in the original pressed DVD, but I don't see how it can do that since the movies were ripped in FILE mode, not ISO (which I do use now, of course!).

What results can I expect with my "instinct" method, in other words, and what methods are recommended instead of my "instinct" method in this situation?

~ b2k6

[guns1inger]

Use image tools classic to turn the file mode rips into ISOs, then burn with imgburn. No need to use Shrink at all.

[trhouse]

I had three Verbatim +DLs fail to burn as shown below from DVDInfoPro near the end of the second layer with a Sony DRU-820A,

Original Sony firmware 1a


After firmware update to 1b


The same burner burned Fujifilm +DL fine ( media ID = Ritek ).

[b2k6]

Use image tools classic to turn the file mode rips into ISOs, then burn with imgburn. No need to use Shrink at all.

Okay, so use Image Tools Classic to convert file mode rips to ISOs (instead of Shrink for the same purpose)...got it. I take it there must be some (unexplained by you) reason to use ITC instead of Shrink, possibly to avoid Shrink's "analysis" or something like that? If I could get an answer to that, since I am endly curious -- that would be appreciated.

Anyway, I make the ISO and burn with ImgBurn. I don't really care if the layer break occurs in the exact same spot as in the pressed DVD. Does ImgBurn do something with the Calculate Optimal layer break option to make the layer break smooth or something like that? (Yep! Another question!)

Thanks,
~ b2k6

[b2k6]

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[trhouse]

The Sony I understand is really a rebadged Benq. As far as I know, 1b is the latest firmware. Burned with DVD Decrypter. Computer is Sony 2.54 GHz Pentium 4. I have not had a problem since the update from 1a to 1b was installed. Very clean burns.

[b2k6]

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[trhouse]

Thanks but I think you misunderstood my posts above. I am not having a problem at this time. The 1b update worked. It was the 1a original firmware that had the problem.

I was suggesting that the originator of this thread might look at updating firmware as it worked for me.

[b2k6]

Thanks but I think you misunderstood my posts above. I am not having a problem at this time. The 1b update worked. It was the 1a original firmware that had the problem.

I was suggesting that the originator of this thread might look at updating firmware as it worked for me.

You are correct, I did read a bit too quickly. Glad to hear that a firmware upgrade helped in your case. You give good advice as firmware upgrades often heavily have to do with new writing strategies for more media than previous firmware.

I will try deleting that post of mine.

Any ideas about my previous post, the one about my situation wherein I ask 2 more questions?

Thanks,
~ b2k6