Upcoming Intel MBs to have NO IDE connections.

[chas0039]

Well, according to Maximum PC, in the latest Intel Confidential memo pertaining to the upcoming IC8 south bridge chipset, they will be removing parallel ATA from future motherboards. With no more PATA IDE, it is hard to see how they will support optical drives, considering that the Plextor foray into SATA opticals was close to a disaster, but there you are.

Stock up on those old “legacy” boards if you don’t want to be doing everything in an external enclosure.

[jagabo]

You can get little SATA to IDE converter for $10 to $20. For example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998008

[Tbear]

I think you mean like this one.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998001

[CybermatriX]

I don't think thats a good idea to be removing IDE connections from their MBs, sure SATA are faster than IDE, but having to buy a IDE to SATA converter is just another expense the consumer has to make. But, hey, I think thats what they want the consumer to do, spend more money on computer parts to make their IDE devices work with thier new MBs.

[ROF]

What's laughable is while they'll remove the pata support there will probably still be a db25 and/or a db9 connector on the back panel. There will probably still be a floppy connector as well. Intel bores me.

[redwudz]

This is computer related, not latest video news. Moving it.

[oldandinthe way]

Who's so sure that SATA is indeed faster than IDE. At the same rotational speed the SATA bus would have to run 10X faster to equal parallel IDE speed under heavy load conditions. Drive buffering which is what makes SATA acceptable in inadequate under sustained heavy load, like video processing.

What SATA is is CHEAPER - for both motherboard and drive manufacturers.

[FulciLives]

SATA is mature enough when it comes to Hard Disk Drives but for Optical Drives this sounds like a big NO NO at least with current tech.

There should be at least one connector for one channel or two IDE devices.

My current MotherBoard is like that ... instead of the usual two connectors for two channels and therefore four IDE devices there is instead only one connector for two IDE devices on that single channel (I hope channel is the correct word here).

My MotherBoard does have two SATA ports for two HDDs

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ROF]

why does a clean install of Win XP boot up faster on a Sata I connection Vs. a EIDE connection? Both drives are 7200RPM, same latency, same seek, and same amount of cache.

[waheed]

SATA is only marginally faster in reality than IDE, but its not huge difference to get exicted about. IMO, only the 10,000 RPM SATA drives show significant speeds.

Though all my HDD are SATA, I wouldn't purchase a MB without IDE, it would make my optical drives obsolete.

[Treebeard]

Just add a PCI IDE Controller card to add your optical drives, not that difficult.

[greymalkin]

the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

but alas...i hold salvation in my hand...promise to tell noone else about this....




...there are other motherboard's out there besides intel.

[Treebeard]

the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

but alas...i hold salvation in my hand...promise to tell noone else about this....




...there are other motherboard's out there besides intel.

whew, i was worried.

[TBoneit]

There are other Mobo makers but as I read it Intel may be removing PATA support from the chipset.

[dynamix1]

would these adapter work with a cd/dvd drive as it does with a hard drive. I was considering connecting my dvd drive to mb by sata by getting one of these adapters.

[Skith]

Just add a PCI IDE Controller card to add your optical drives, not that difficult.

The trick is finding one that properly supports optical drives. Things may have changed, but when I last looked into the subject, many PCI IDE cards did not properly support advanced optical drives (such as DVD +/-RW drives). If I recall, there were a number of threads about the subject over at the cdfreaks forums.

[budz]

Just add a PCI IDE Controller card to add your optical drives, not that difficult.

The trick is finding one that properly supports optical drives. Things may have changed, but when I last looked into the subject, many PCI IDE cards did not properly support advanced optical drives (such as DVD +/-RW drives). If I recall, there were a number of threads about the subject over at the cdfreaks forums.

PCI CONTROLLER CARD's that have the SILICON IMAGE 680 CHIPSET will work with DVDRW's. I've tried using a PROMISE chipset but it wouldn't work with DVDRW's but odd that for other members it worked. Go figure. I use the SILICON IMAGE 680 CHIPSET PCI cards with my BENQ's & old LITEON 811 drive with no problems.

[mats.hogberg]

Was going to help a friend move the 3 HDD from his old box to his new Dell - No way! One IDE channel, OK, but primary was hooked to the DVD at the usual position high in the cabinet, while the HDD bays are located "on the floor". So, room for 1 IDE HDD, if the cable could reach it. Plenty of free SATA connectors tho. But that didn't help much.
So, it's time to scrap all old HDD that's been used and reused since my first PC?

/Mats

[ROF]

Was going to help a friend move the 3 HDD from his old box to his new Dell - No way! One IDE channel, OK, but primary was hooked to the DVD at the usual position high in the cabinet, while the HDD bays are located "on the floor".
/Mats

I can't seem to explain why bulk PC builders do this. Everytime I see one and someone wants to add a drive they always ask why their optical is located lower than before when I return the machine to them. I always seem to have to move the hdd up and the optical down and usually have to add modern cabling to a modern machine. Can you tell me why Gateway and others still uses 40 pin IDE cabling? Why any manufacturer uses one connector cabling?

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I have a DVD drive connected to my PCI IDE controller and it works, but good luck finding a card that has MIcro$oft signed drivers...

My PC regularly reboots and then opens a web page after error reporting is done -- the web page always says the same thing: error caused by a device driver. It can't tell me which one, but the PCI IDE driver is the only one in my system that doesn't meet Microsoft's "standards".
I shopped around all over looking for a replacement, but every single manufacturers instruction manual said the same thing -- when the warning box comes up stating that the drivers aren't signed, click install anyway....

it doesn't matter how I re-arrange my drives either. Currently I have hard drives connected to IDE 0 & 1, a DVD burner connected to IDE 2, and another HD connected to IDE 3 with a DVD-rom connected to the controller card. but any other configuration still results in random reboots "caused by a device driver" when running processor or RAM intensive application that utilizes whichever device is connected to the controller.
remove the device(s) connected to the controller and run the same app and no reboot...

[Treebeard]

I had a Liteon DVD burner connected to this card w/o any issues ever.
http://www.acortech.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/486/Creative%20I^2FO%20SY-SIL-133R%20Silicon%20Image%20ATA133%20IDE%20RAID%20CAR D%20

[ROF]

I had a problem recently using an Promise Ultra TX2 IDE card with an optical drive. The drive was working perfectly until one day it stopped working. Since there were plenty of Motherboard IDE connections and after much trail and error I connected the optical to the motherboard IDE and return the computer to the customer. Why the computer had a promise controller inside I do not know. The computer was built by a local company with a reputation for ripping off the end user so maybe that was the case, but as to why it stopped working I do not know. I have since bought myself a TX2 133 card so I could continue my testing. So far I can not recreate the problems I had with that client computer. All opticals work fine on this card. The card does not have drivers signed by Microsoft but I do not have any problems as reported here related to that issue. I just click Yes to install anyways and have never had any problems. Maybe it's a conflicting driver issue?

[nelson133]

You can alwys buy a cheap hd enclosure with a usb connection and put your ide hdd in it. They won't eliminate usb connectivity without shutting out all the flash drives. Besides anything Intel does to hurt it's market share is fine, i quit buying their products years ago. Nyah Levi

[TBoneit]

I had a problem recently using an Promise Ultra TX2 IDE card with an optical drive. The drive was working perfectly until one day it stopped working. Since there were plenty of Motherboard IDE connections and after much trail and error I connected the optical to the motherboard IDE and return the computer to the customer. Why the computer had a promise controller inside I do not know. The computer was built by a local company with a reputation for ripping off the end user so maybe that was the case, but as to why it stopped working I do not know. I have since bought myself a TX2 133 card so I could continue my testing. So far I can not recreate the problems I had with that client computer. All opticals work fine on this card. The card does not have drivers signed by Microsoft but I do not have any problems as reported here related to that issue. I just click Yes to install anyways and have never had any problems. Maybe it's a conflicting driver issue?

The big problem I used to see with Promise Controller cards was with burning disk. Connecting the burner to the Promise would result in very long burn times with the buffers all the time going down to nothing and the only thing preventing coasters as the Burn Proof function. It was almost as if the cards were detecting and supporting the drives as PIO mode. The same drives hooked up direct to the Mobo controller had no issues. And hard drives on the same cards had no speed problems. OTOH as someone else mentioned I've had no problems with cheapo SIL chipset generic IDE cards.

If you had said you were working on a older Gateway with a promise card I wouldn't have been surprised. I believe they put tons of them into computers with a 44oBX chipset to support faster I/O as being more cost effective to do that and use a Bios upgrade to support faster chips rather than relegate to spares a lot of motherboards that would have had to be replaced with a more costly new Mobo. My suspicion is that this was happening at the time I was hearing that Gateway hod over produced computers.
Cheers

[chas0039]

Just add a PCI IDE Controller card to add your optical drives, not that difficult.

The trick is finding one that properly supports optical drives. Things may have changed, but when I last looked into the subject, many PCI IDE cards did not properly support advanced optical drives (such as DVD +/-RW drives). If I recall, there were a number of threads about the subject over at the cdfreaks forums.

PCI CONTROLLER CARD's that have the SILICON IMAGE 680 CHIPSET will work with DVDRW's. I've tried using a PROMISE chipset but it wouldn't work with DVDRW's but odd that for other members it worked. Go figure. I use the SILICON IMAGE 680 CHIPSET PCI cards with my BENQ's & old LITEON 811 drive with no problems.

This chipset is the best choice but there are still a number of drives for which it does not work. I would most likely go with a different MB as well, but who is to say they won't drop the IDE connections as well. At least I have my external cases.

[BJ_M]

SATA connectors are really crap imo --- no mater how good the drives are or are not ..


must be invented by the same knumbskulls who invented svhs connectors ... horrid things

[FulciLives]

must be invented by the same knumbskulls who invented svhs connectors ... horrid things

LOL

I can't tell you HOW many times I ruined a S-Video cord because I bent a pin trying to connect the darn thing due to it being dark behind the TV or the angle or whatever and trying to find the right "notch" or way of plugging it in.

I like the BNC design especially since they can't accidentally get loose or pull out.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[TBoneit]

And S-Video cables must have gotten their desing ideas by looking at the PS2 connectors on computers. How many bent pins I see on customers KBs and Mice.

[ROF]

When someone calls me saying my mouse or keyboard died my first question is P/S2, Serial, or USB? When they say "the small round connection" I tell them to look inside the end and see is all pins are straight. A local company here charges people $5-$10 to fix that. I charge nothing even if they bring it in. Sad really. I guess that's why new intel motherboards have the processor pins built into them as well.

[waheed]

A local company here charges people $5-$10 to fix that.

You can get a new keyboard/mouse for that much.