Ruined DV footage?

[fmctm1sw]

Once again, I am encountering problems with DV footage. The last time I did this for someone, the combing artifacts were so bad, I had to drop a field to get acceptable TV playback. It's happening again... Now, some specifics about the material: It's high school track meet video. And although I'm no pro, this has the same "amature issues" like rapid panning, zooming, etc that you sometimes see. Parts are so bad that I think I got motion sickness yesterday testing a few clips. I think they may have used a shutter spped other than 1/30 (I heard that's what you are supposed to use if you want DVD conversion) but that's beside the point now. I've tried all sorts of encoding variables with this. One thing seems certain. Keeping it at XXX x 480 is out of the question. Motion looks horrible. Has anyone else seen this? What have you done?

[edDV]

"Motion looks horrible."

Where does it look horrible on the computer monitor?
Are you transferring over IEEE-1394?
What software are you using?

Try to burn it straight to a DVD as it is.
I bet it looks fine played back from the DVD player to a TV.

[fmctm1sw]

I used windv. It's combed so bad, it almost looks like two people are standing next to each other on L <-> R pans. I already burned it to DVD and watched it on my big screen TV with different settings for "offset" and "output tff" in cce basic. The best result seems to be from a bob(), weave() and selectodd() script in avisynth.

[bugster]

If you are having to de-interlace DV material you are doing something wrong almost certainly. Combing should be not noticeable when played on a TV. Give more details as to your conversion method and maybe someone can see where you are going wr.ong.

[junkmalle]

Once again, I am encountering problems with DV footage. The last time I did this for someone, the combing artifacts were so bad, I had to drop a field to get acceptable TV playback.

Then you were doing something wrong. If you get the source and destination field order correct you won't have this problem. This description I wrote a few days ago might help:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1320881#1320881

[edDV]

I used windv. It's combed so bad, it almost looks like two people are standing next to each other on L <-> R pans. I already burned it to DVD and watched it on my big screen TV with different settings for "offset" and "output tff" in cce basic. The best result seems to be from a bob(), weave() and selectodd() script in avisynth.

May I suggest that you may get better results from another method? Is that politically correct enough?

You did WinDV correctly, then it went wrong.

Interlace is what you want for best quality DVD to a TV. What you are seeing is interlace motion due to a 1/60 sec motion offset every other line. Motion is a good thing. If you want to view it on a computer monitor, use a viewer that deinterlaces (like PowerDVD) but don't deinterlace the video if a TV DVD is what you are making. Leave it interlaced. Edit it, encode it and author it. Then enjoy best quality playing it back on your DVD player. The same DVD will play fine on the computer using PowerDVD.

[fmctm1sw]

This is what I'm dealing with. I've seen interlaced footage before, but only like this with that other DV material I wrote off as bad. Does this look right? Just a frame right out of the AVI during one of the mentioned right to left pans from virtualdub.

[edDV]

Looks good to me but was this a drive by pan at 80 MPH ?

[fmctm1sw]

Ok, I'll go back top the drawing board on my settings.

[edDV]

Typical motion in interlace display on a computer progressive monitor. Perfectly normal and it won't be on the TV when DVD is played.

Use a deinterlacing viewer like PowerDVD for the computer.

This is a pan.


This is player motion in front of a relatively stationary camera.
Note the ball upper right.

[edDV]

Deinterlacing viewer. In this case Ulead Video Studio 8.

[edDV]

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