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  1. After help here I thought I'd now just about grasped what an 'image' was. And in particular that an image of a DVD was different to the 'combined' video folder you get on HD after authoring a DVD, say D:\Docs\MemoriesOnTV\, which contains the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders. But in DeepBurner Pro the first operation when preparing to burn is SPECIFY IMAGE, which it describes as the two folders above.

    Was my understanding incorrect, or is DeepBurner Pro wrongly using the term 'image' please?

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  2. I'd say that the image of a video DVD would be the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders. So yes this is an image.
    As long as it works, enjoy.
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    When we talk about DVD Video and we use the term IMAGE or ISO FILE we mean a single file that contains the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders with all the DVD files like the IFO and VOB files etc.

    Normally you would use the program ImgTool classic to create an ISO IMAGE FILE from a VIDEO_TS folder of video files.

    So it would seem that program you are talking about (of which I have never heard of) is using the terminology incorrectly.

    BTW I would use ... as I mentioned ... ImgTool classic to create an ISO IMAGE FILE then burn it using ImgBurn. Both programs are freeware and will make about as compatable a burnt DVD as you can get.

    As for using ImgTool classic ... since it is a "common user error" ... you would put your VIDEO_TS folder under another folder and select the first folder.

    For instance create a folder called MYMOVIE and in the MYMOVIE folder you would have your VIDEO_TS folder of files. Then in ImgTool classic you select the MYMOVIE folder ... not the VIDEO_TS folder. ImgTool will create the AUDIO_TS folder for you if it is not alreasy there. That folder is always empty anyways ... but it is needed for compatability purposes. It's just a part of the DVD spec.

    When ImgTool classic is done you have a single file with ISO at the end (such as "mymovie.iso") and then you just pick that file as your source with ImgBurn.

    You can even load a blank DVD into your burner and set up ImgTool classic to auto launch ImgBurn and start burning so you only have to press one button then walk away and come back later with the DVD all done and ready to go.

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  4. Originally Posted by unclebud
    I'd say that the image of a video DVD would be the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders. So yes this is an image.
    As long as it works, enjoy.
    Thanks. That clearly squares with what the developers of DeepBurner themselves think. And you're right, it's for sure a pragmatic answer. I suppose I'm just very picky about terminology though, which is what makes me prefer John's answer

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  5. Many thanks, appreciate that thorough explanation. Clearly the program's developers don't agree though! In reply to my e-mail asking whether they were using the term wrongly they replied:
    "No, this term used properly because those folders (VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS) form IMAGE for the videoDVD."


    Could you amplify briefly on one aspect I still don't grasp please? The method I've been using to get from a VIDEO_TS folder to a DVD is to use either
    - Nero Express (Burn DVD Video) or
    - DVD Decrypter (Mode|ISO|Write) or
    - DeepBurner Pro (Specify Image).
    So when you say "Normally you would use the program ImgTool classic to create an ISO IMAGE FILE from a VIDEO_TS folder of video files," are you just stating your usual choice? Or does it have some particular proven merit? I'd have thought all would do exactly the same thing? Or maybe there are reviews showing that, while that's true in theory, some definitely are more reliable than others?

    BTW, this confusion of mine stems not only from your reply but also from other posts I've read here. There seem to be so many ways of writing a DVD! With each one apparently having its particular fans. But, if they're all essentially doing the same thing, where can I study some non-subjective comparisons of please?

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    Originally Posted by terrypin
    are you just stating your usual choice? Or does it have some particular proven merit? I'd have thought all would do exactly the same thing?
    It's been tried and tested that DVDDecrypter and its decendant ImgBurn are the most reliable choices for burning DVD images to disc.
    Taking a VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folder and turn them into a DVD image can be done in many different ways - ImgTools Classic is the tool that makes the most compliant Video DVD structure (personal opinion that I share with, I dare say, a majority of users here). So, the combination of ImgTools Classic + ImgBurn will give you the highest probability for success in getting your authored DVD from HDD to DVD.

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  7. OK, thanks, appreciate the fast follow-up. I'm really keen to develop a solid working procedure! I'll install ImgTools Classic and learn how to use it. Maybe I can come back here if I have any trouble with the interface? (Sometimes I come across DVD programs that seem to assume I'm already an expert!)

    Have I got the basics straight? This is a program that will take my Video_TS folder as input and write an image of it on HD as output? I would then use another program to burn that image to DVD? And you're recommending the program ImgBurn for that? So this is a 2-stage process, unlike say Nero Express? But the extra time and trouble buys extra 'compatibility', i.e. a better chance that the DVD will be playable?

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    Originally Posted by terrypin
    Have I got the basics straight? This is a program that will take my Video_TS folder as input and write an image of it on HD as output?
    Spot on! (Or rather - it will take the folder the VIDEO_TS folder is in, as input, and create an image of its content.)
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    I would then use another program to burn that image to DVD? And you're recommending the program ImgBurn for that?
    Exactly. But as FulcieLives points out, ImgTools Classic can be set up to run ImgBurn when it's finished, so it can even be a one click process.

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    I agree with everything that mats.hogberg has said.

    There is a large base of users here that feel that ImgTool classic and ImgBurn are the best combo to use in order to get from a VIDEO_TS folder to a final DVD Video.

    Just remember you need the HDD space for this method. For instance if your VIDEO_TS folder is 4.1GB then you need to have at least 4.1GB of free space since the ISO IMAGE file will get written to the HDD and then it gets burned to the DVD.

    Just remember afterwards to delete the ISO IMAGE file and the VIDEO_TS folder.

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  10. Thanks both, very helpful. I'll get stuck into ImgTool Classic and ImgBurn over the weekend, husbandly duties permitting

    To muddy the water I have other problems (raised in separate posts), probably media-related. Maybe I'll get some brand new +/-RW discs (or use -R and to hell with the waste) to eliminate those variables, while I get a grip on those tools.

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  11. My first two attempts with ImgToolBurn 1.2.1 have not gone well. I'll post in a new thread.

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  12. Originally Posted by terrypin
    My first two attempts with ImgToolBurn 1.2.1 have not gone well. I'll post in a new thread.

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    You've conflated ImgTool Classic and ImgBurn into ImgToolBurn, which is NOT what was recommended to you. :P When I had Nero, I tried ImgToolBurn, with little success. That is a Nero add-on, why one would want to further complicate the process seems to me incomprehensible. Especially considering how often Nero releases are kinda buggy.

    Try the first two, they are entirely independent of Nero. Good luck.
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  13. Ah - that was stupid of me! I'll start again with ImgBurn

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    There are two versions of ImgTool

    You want ImgTool Classic

    That just creates the ISO IMAGE FILE

    You then use ImgBurn to actually record or burn the ISO IMAGE FILE to a recordable DVD disc.

    Just trying to clarify things

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  15. OK, thanks, got it. I'll try that tomorrow.

    But I also just received this reply in my separate thread, from hech54:
    "If you have the ability to burn VIDEO_TS folders with Nero...then there really is no advantage to converting your VIDEO_TS folder to an .ISO image and burning that instead."

    That sort of sets me back. May I have your comments please?

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    You could also use DVDShrink to create your ISO's. Load up your files, choose no compression, and have it output as an ISO. Shrink will also let you know if there's a structure problem.
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    Originally Posted by terrypin
    OK, thanks, got it. I'll try that tomorrow.

    But I also just received this reply in my separate thread, from hech54:
    "If you have the ability to burn VIDEO_TS folders with Nero...then there really is no advantage to converting your VIDEO_TS folder to an .ISO image and burning that instead."

    That sort of sets me back. May I have your comments please?

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    NERO sucks for DVD Video burning. Some agree with that comment and some do not. Apparently hech54 thinks NERO is fine. I do not.

    Originally Posted by MysticE
    You could also use DVDShrink to create your ISO's. Load up your files, choose no compression, and have it output as an ISO. Shrink will also let you know if there's a structure problem.
    Seems silly to use DVDShrink for this when ImgTool Classic can do it quicker and easier ... plus I'm not sure that I trust the ISO IMAGE creation of DVDShrink.

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  18. Thanks both, appreciate those fast follow-ups. I'm going to try a few burns with both ImgBurn Classic and DVDShrink and build up some practical experience.

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  19. OK, I'm trying to burn my first ISO (made with ImgToolClassic) with ImgBurn. It's not going right. This thread subject is inappropriate, so I'll post as 'ImgBurn erasing problem'. Would appreciate further help please.

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