Have a 720x480 dvdr of a 4:3 film with huge black borders (the result of a poorly made home transfer). Wondering if there's a program that could set the video to flag the dvd/blu-ray player to zoom in a certain amount to get full fullscreen, rather then cropping and re-encoding. Something like RESTREAM which can change the DAR without encoding. I can use my TV zoom option but it's not accurate.
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The short answer to your Q. is AFAIK no. DVD players read the commands contained in the ifo and the AR and there is no such command.
Now for a slightly longer answer.
It is not clear to me what you have. You do realise that 4:3 dvds are meant to be displayed with 'wide' black borders left and right. Zoom in with that and you lose detail top and bottom.
But you might have a non-anamorphic widescreen video in a 4:3 frame which then results in bars both left and right and top and bottom. If the active video was truly 16:9 then a zoom might be able to remove most of these. In fact both of my dvd players have a zoom button on the remote (as well as one on the tv remote). How effective these are I know not.
However all versions of PowerDVD I have seen also have a variable zoom control and that could work for you. Of course that is for a PC and not a tv display.
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Take what I wrote at face value. A 4:3 film. A badly made home transfer of the film. Like pointing the film on a wall or mirror box and recording it with a VHS video camera. Borders means borders, all around. I didn't say only on the sides.
I have a retail blu-ray video with two display options - it's the same movie but one is slightly zoomed in. I would think this could be done with dvd, although only the zoomed in video needs to happen.
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OK, if you don't want to use that, and if you want to exactly remove the borders, you could play the DVD using a computer connected to the TV. VLC (and probably other media players) lets you adjust zoom to your taste.
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dvdfab has an option to remove the black bars from your video - https://www.dvdfab.cn/tutorial/crop-video-without-black-bars
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Last edited by spiritgumm; 29th Nov 2020 at 16:47.
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You seem to want to reject every idea being given to you. But I'll try one more time.
Since you used VLC to get the screen grab, did you try playing around with the zoom options in VLC, as I suggested? Some quick Googling suggests that you can customize the zoom to give you the result you want.
And, no re-encoding.
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Well, couldn't hurt to ask. I've found non-encoding solutions for other problems when most people are told it wasn't possible. Like fixing the DAR with Restream, for example.
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Jeez. You talked about 'film' and then a 'mirror box'. Now we have a 'Tv Show'. Do make your mind up.
And the answer is still NO. You can NEVER fill a screen with that image without losing detail.
BTW you are not even displaying the 'whateveritis' correctly. If you have a 4:3 dvd you really should be seeing a 640*480 frame. That 720*540 even suggests an incorrect resize/re-encode. Or is that just a result of using Restream ? Or it is not dvd-video to start with.
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There is no mystery or contradiction. TV shows were filmed. Collectors get 16mm copies and make home transfers as described. I'm sure you can find an explanation about pixel size and why VLC represents 720x480 as 540 elsewhere.
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Geezz ... I actually can read, and did read your post.
As the last few posts by others have pointed out, what you asked is not possible, so I was trying to give you some alternatives. However, given your attitude, I will not bother trying to help you in the future. Good luck with your project.
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load of bs. tv shows weren't filmed on 16mm and no "collectors" can get copies of things that don't exist. some 16mm "prints" were distribution copies of the original with commercials but not at original quality. and most you'll find online are 16mm films made by filming a tv screen. extra bogus crap.
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If I get bored I will dig out a 4:3 NTSC dvd and see what vlc does with it. Yet I still suspect it will not ignore the PAR of the dvd to create the frame that you promote.
Yes, 'Collectors', by fair means or foul, do acquire prints of broadcast material. I guess tho that they rarely, if ever, get a 16mm copy but a VHS inter-copy. Such copies would have to be done somewhat 'under the radar' and without regard for viewing protocol. If you have one of these just be thankful and forget your mission to view as you want. Or just invest in a few bucks for an old version of PowerDVD as I previously promoted and forget your impossible quest to view on tv as you would prefer to (without a crop/re-encode)
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Hey psycho, I was talking to the other guy. He said I was making different claims about the source - "first film, then TV." I was simply stating that TV shows were filmed. I never said (or claimed to know) what film format TV shows used. I said collectors got 16mm copies and copied those.
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Avisynth functions Resize8 Mod - Audio Speed/Meter/Wave - FixBlend.zip - Position.zip
Avisynth/VapourSynth functions CropResize - FrostyBorders - CPreview (Cropping Preview)
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Ok. I'll concede on that one. So I also did a similar test on a PAL dvd fully expecting the same result. But no. Vlc displays a PAL 4:3 dvd at 768*576.
Not for this topic but why adopt the PAR on PAL but not NTSC ?
But for this topic I have NEVER read a tv show described as a 'Film' even if it was shot on that medium. I guess there is always a first time for everything.
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It's resizing both to 4:3 dimensions. Only for NTSC it increases the height instead of reducing the width. Maybe so there's no loss of detail when saving the snapshot, given the other DVD flavours can be resized to the correct DAR by only increasing the width, but for 4:3 NTSC it has to be reduced, unless you increase the height.
Avisynth functions Resize8 Mod - Audio Speed/Meter/Wave - FixBlend.zip - Position.zip
Avisynth/VapourSynth functions CropResize - FrostyBorders - CPreview (Cropping Preview)
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TV shows weren't necessarily filmed. For example, Twilight Zone (Rod Serling, 60s) shot some episodes directly to tape (Ampex).
16mm (prints) was a cheap pre-tape method to share shows. However, I rarely see TV shows in 16mm, and more often cartoons in 16mm.
VLC takes lousy snapshots, use VirtualDub2 for this need.Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
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Until about 1960, TV shows were broadcast in one of three ways:
1. Live from the video cameras to the audience.
2. Shot on movie film, just like theatrical films, and then broadcast from that 16mm or 35mm movie film, using a film chain.
3. Recorded from live video (#1 above) to film (called a Kinescope), and then later broadcast using #2 above.
After videotape started being used widely just before 1960, some shows were recorded on videotape and then re-broadcast later. This quickly became common as the 1960s progressed. However, because the 2" quadruplex ("quad") tape was so bulky and so expensive, virtually none of the early videotaped shows survive on tape because the tapes were re-used (i.e., copied over).
Fortunately for those of us who like the old stuff, many shows -- even those which were videotaped -- were also recorded to film for another reason: advertisers. The companies advertising their product wanted proof that their commercials aired; that they aired in their entirety; and that they got the time slot they requested. As a result, lots of shows were captured on film. Many of these Kinescopes are still being discovered to this day, usually when a TV station studio gets moved or remodeled.
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@hello_hello
The VLC "Take Snapshot" function does save screenshots of 4:3 NTSC DVDs with a 720x540 resolution. It's 4:3.
I assume someone must've decided VLC should increase the height for the snapshot rather than reduce the width.
@lordsmurf
VLC takes lousy snapshots, use VirtualDub2 for this need.
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