I've been rolling this in my mind for a while. Any type of physical media, doesn't have to be a rip or even digital.
Say a new type of copy protection was developed that was absolutely unrippable and even an analog copy ala Cinavia was unviewable. Would you buy a movie/series on this new media? What if it was the only way you could watch that new movie in 8K+ on your new Super Hi-RES cinema color grade display? What if it was super cheap, say $10, so you could buy 2-3 for the cost of a single Blu-Ray? Would you buy it then?
I don't have the stats on this, but I highly suspect that all optical disc format sales rose once the copy protection on that disc was broken. I remember people, even some posters here saying "I'll never buy a 4K disc if I can't back it up! Fair Use and all!"
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No because it ignores modern consumer playback habits - in the home on a media player attached to a screen and on their phone or laptop when traveling (me) and in a house with multiple screens accessing a central NAS (my situation). Commercially not viable. I have observed it seems to be more difficult to make legit copies for ones own use compared to my country where we can record free to air TV on a PVR on locally available equipment Topfield, Humax, Beyonwiz Enigma2 clones etc and transfer to a PC or MAC for archival or converting to a format for an iPhone etc. Same with region free and zone free devices, being so close to China and the East and our population of emigrants bringing their equipment and collections here, not a problem.BeyonWiz T3 PVR ~ Popcorn A-500 ~ Samsung ES8000 65" LED TV ~ Windows 7 64bit ~ Yamaha RX-A1070 ~ QnapTS851-4G
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Yes, I would buy them. But I always wait with buying the newest titles immediately. Saves me a lot of money in many cases.
DVDFab 188.8.131.52, a few with 10.1.0.0 and any that wouldn't copy with those were copied with MakeMKV. I believe that there is no such thing as media that absolutely can not be backed up eventually. There have been a few DVDs in my collection that those programs couldn't copy, probably less than 1% or 2% at the most. About 90% of those DVDs had Cinavia on them, and MakeMKV took care of them. I have made a note of which ones do not copy, so that when something new comes out, I can copy them then.
If that was my only option for a title that I very much wanted, yes.Ignore list: hello_hello, tried, TechLord, Snoopy329
Your example implies owning a new player to play this 8K disc. I wouldn't buy a player just to stay up to date. I didn't buy a 4k player for the same reason. I was interested in VR so might have bought a console that did all things, ... games, 3D, VR and BD4k but I wasn't about to buy 2 or 3 types of units for occasional use only.
Now if I already owned a PlayStation16 that included the ability to play the 8K (or why not a 16K) disc and it's a title I couldn't play any other way and the price was low then why not. I have to buy something to test out this feature on my new fancy dandy 16k game console.There's not much to do but then I can't do much anyway.
It really depends on how fragile the optical is.
DVD was robust.
A CD or BD were/are pretty crappy.
The main worry is longevity of the optical players. What good is a disc you can't play in 10-20 years?
A small example, is the to my knowledge still uncracked copy protection scheme are on some India VCDs that go beyond VCD specs.
Was HD DVD ever cracked ? Not that it lasted that long.
But, be honest now, when you first bought those shiny DVDs that blew VHS out of the water did it actually cross your mind that you would only be able to play them natively ?
And the thought of not being able to back something up does not bother me. I am probably an exception here since I only play my media natively.
This is one of the dumbest thread topics I have ever read. How many times does anyone watch the same movie?? If the answer is more than twice, do they have an actual life? If you don't watch it more than twice, why do you have to back it up?
Finally, no one ever asked my dad why he bought all those 78 rpm records that he couldn't back up. In the same vein, when I bought all my vinyl records back in the 60s, it never occurred to me that I should back them up.
Silly me, I just listened to the darned things.
And let's face it, "backing up" your media is a way to talk about pirating movies, but without getting thrown off the forum for violating copyright rules.
Yes, that is a provocative statement, but it is also true.
"How many times does anyone watch the same movie??"
*Raises hand* As I've said multiple times in other threads, I've watch[ed] Seven Samurai dozens of times over the past 50+ years, twice back to back when I first got my Criterion Laserdisc and I'm been listening to the same Cream songs over and over for the past 40+ years. And yes, I don't have a life. No smoking, no drinking, no women, no socializing. To be honest, I really liked the first lockdown we had, made me feel normal!
And when I first saw Ryuhei Kitamura's Versus in the early 2000's, I was so enraptured with it, I watched it at least twice a day, every day for two weeks! And when my favorite Taiwanese actress released her CD, I listened to one track multiple times a day and had set it on repeat every night for over a month! [BTW, I still don't know what she's singing, since I don't understand Mandarin). Yeah, I'm a bit OCD!
I've been around some young people of this generation and when they "love this song", they'll have it on repeat for hours. And YouTube is an example how many times people rewatch the same thing over and over as evidenced by videos that have more views than the entire world population!*
*An aside, it's a trend in Kpop, Cpop and Jpop fandoms to repeatedly play their favorites over and over again to artificially boost the numbers. It's been proven that some stars got huge numbers because banks of hundreds or thousands of phones were setup to automatically replay the videos.
I think you're basically the same generation that I am. [I can't believe] you never listened to your favorite record so many times that you had to buy a new one? Unlike you, in my audiophile years in the 70's, I definitely 'backed up' my records to reel to reel tape for fidelity and cassettes for convenience. Even then, when I wanted to do some critical listening, I'd pull out my vinyl and go through the tedious ritual of cleaning both the record and stylus.
"backing up", at least for me is matter of convenience and accessibility. If I weren't able to rip my thousands of discs, I'd have mutliple 100+ disc changers or carts (I think there was a DVD [changer] with interchangeable carts) organized as I do now, by director, by actress, by genre, etc. And yes, even with thousands of movies and TV shows to choose from, I do rewatch entire movies and shows again and again. Yeah, OCD disguised as appreciation!
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Not readily. I put all my files on a server to stream to my devices, so if I have to use the disc that defeats the point in my case. I still use dvd and bluray for now for that very reason. Got 1 or 2 discs I had to analog archive but it's the exception rather than the norm.
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The way things are now, as long as you can play it on a PC you can get a really good capture of anything. And better with a better Graphics card.
Thnx. I did srch and one of the topics also listed the titles released - all in a two year span IIRC. I do not recall many titles ever being released over here - I seem to recall seeing just a couple of music ones in the main stores. But even native playback on a PC would be an issue now.