what is the difference between high quality cd's like sony a

[ssgohan434]

so what does this difference do. speed increase???? less scratches????? then what?????

thanks

[Beretta]

What makes you think TDK are low quality? Personally I consider TDK to be of very high quality.

Hi-Val.. Now that I would call a low quality CD...

Regardless, I would say it probably comes down to quality control.. Super cheap CD manufacturers probably have less quality control measures in place, so they can sell the CD's for less money.. Since less money expended to make each CD translates into a lower total cost, they can then sell the CD's for less, and yet still make a healthy profit.. Of course, the downside is that with crappy quality control measures, you are gonna get some crap cd's in the mix.

[AnnihilatorTokyo]

I heard that the life-length (is that a word?) of a CD varies depending on cheap/expensiv CD. Also the color of the CD makes difference.

[Greg12]

i've read that two that gold dye is the best but metal azo is a close second n could outdo gold but it hasn't been around long enough to do long term tests.

[jdgrabb]

I work in cd-production of class materials for a university. What we use is the the new cd-rs by Memorex, the CD-R blacks. They protective coating on them makes them a lot more scratch resistant, they work in even the oldest of drives, and the absence of burn lines makes them look more professional. So thats what we use. I have also heard (but have not yet tested) that they work better in DVD players (supposedly) even the very particular sony DVD players. So there you have it. I will say this though, we have a duplicator and in the last about 1500 cds we've burned we have like four bad burns on Memorex blacks. Thats really something with a duplicator that spits them out at 16X.

[vitualis]

If anything, TDK media are of higher quality than Sony media (at least more reliable quality). TDK is one of the firms which manufacturers its own media -- thus quality is near guaranteed between different batches.

Sony OEMs its CD-R production to someone else so quality may be variable (depending on who they use).

Regards.

[zzyzzx]

I believe that both Sony and TDK no longer manufacture their own CD-R's. Both are now cheap ones made in Taiwan. As per usual you are simply paying more for the Sony brand name.

[nightwing7]

jdgrabb, u said that the memorex black discs can be played on some sony DVD player, which in particular?? I have a DVP-S360, will the memorex work on that

[Beavis]

Yup- there's very few companies actually manufacturing CD-R's, and they're almost never the name that ends up on the final disk you buy. You can usually use a CD-diagnostic program to read the manufacturer's name from the ID of the disk.

For what it's worth- FujiFilm CD-R's (made in Japan) are excellent.

[thxkid]

Been burning CD-R's for over 4 years and all that I have burned includes TDK, SONY, Verbatuim, GQ, Memorix, Yamaha, Pioneer, Hotam, all still work fine never had one failed yet that I have burnt. I play all these types in my 10 CD changer in my car, in Arizona, under extreme heat conditions, in a trunk of car in summer you are looking at 160 plus temps. Never had one fail yet, skip yes(finger prints) but clean them off works fine, maybe I have been lucky so far, I have around 200 burnt music CD's and 50 VCD's and SVCD's and 100 Burnt PC Game CD's.

[sean madison]

ShiZZZoN-

I use TDK when i have the money and when i do not have money, i use cheap cds.

TDK is good, BUT they are still on the cheap end of cds.
ALL green layer cds are not good. I would give u a link to read bout it but the site contains other things such as ps1 and ps2 patches to play your games on actual system without modchip and tons of cracks bout how to burn your own copy of bleem and play game cds without cd in drive.

If I am aloud to post a link to this site containing all of that to, tell me

[Feslmogh]

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If I am aloud to post a link to this site containing all of that to, tell me
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As long as you follow the rules: NO REQUESTS and NO LINKS for warez,appz,moviez,crackz or serials as stated above.

[vice86]

Hi-Val is low quality? Office Max sells them for 49.99 for a 100 pack. They just had a sale....24.99 + 20.00 rebate = 4.99 total. What a coincidence....a cd i was burning on this Yamaha 16x with "burn proof" just had a buffer underun...wonder if it happened cuz I just used a Hi-Val CDR in it...lol....never happened before with the Sony's i use. I guess you are right....but a 100 Pack for 4.99..cant beat that.

[Jeomite]

Some TDKs and Sony CDRs are still high quality. You can check by throwing the CDR into your CDR Burner and running a program called CDRIdentifier. It will tell you the type of dye it uses and the factory it was made in. High Quality are made with Phalocyanine dye (Long-Stragey Dye) which are expected to last much longer than the cheap CDRs made with Cyanine dye. And the high quality CDRs are made in Taiyo Yudan factories (Japan), so check if the CDR label says Made in Japan, like FujiFilm CDRs, which are high quality CDRs. Made In Taiwain are usuually Cyananie (cheap or mediocre CDRs).

[next]

There are way too many variables involved to make a longevity claim. I prefer the position of this author:

http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/History/Commentary/Parker/stcroix.html

[pacmania_2001]

Personally I prefer Verbatim CD's with their blue bottom. Looks good and I have never had one screw up on me

[vitualis]

Yes.

I always run back to the safety of Verbatim or Kodaks when I've been stung by a batch of low quality media...

Regards.

[jdgrabb]

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Uh, frankly I don't know. You know I've heard this not tested it. I don't have DVD player (I'm a geek I use my computer with a 21" screen, my wife has been on me to get a dvd player so I have to share though ). However, I have heard that basically Sony's only read videocds that have been burned to cd-rws. By using the cd-r black coating you emulate that (again, supposedly) and this makes sense since the CD-R blacks are essentially a sony licensed technology that was developed for their game consoles. I would by five or so, burn an svcd and give it a try. If it doesn't work they're still great media. Sorry, I can't give you more info, but if you go out and try it you can post the results and it can be your turn to be the expert. Good luck.

[d4n13l]

I use Verbatim as they work very well in Playstations. I use them for everything else as well and they have never failed me (I've used about 500 of them to date).
I am thinking about trying Kodac Gold sometime in the future, apparently they are better. Anyone know much about Kodac Gold?

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[spidey]

A Ranking of CDR Manufacturers as well as how the cdr's ranked in aging and performance.

I have heard many good things about Taiyo Yuden CDR's from a guy who does professional SVCD / DVDR / Mpeg2 production work.

From this list Sony and Imation look to be the best as they are made by Taiyo Yuden.

Enjoy,

http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_quality.shtml

[d4n13l]

I've seen the above site before but I dont like their ageing test. For instance a CDR of a certain brand may react differently under extreme temperatures than it will under true ageing. Although you can "imitate" (try to imitate that is) the aging process of CDRs, in real life they will age differently, therefore the integrity of the test is void. It does manage to show the weaker brands, but some that didnt fair so well, may actually not age so badly over time. There is only one fair test of the ageing of CDRs and thats real life, something we will not the answer to for a long time.

[vitualis]

Okay, let's get some facts straight...

Sony DVD players do not just read "VCDs on CD-RW". Many Sony DVD players (as like MANY other brands) do not have a DVD drive that is designed to read recordable CD media at all (i.e., similar to first generation DVD drives). These drives are MORE LIKELY to read CD-RW than CD-R by virtue of the optical properties of a CD-RW only (no other reason).

There are some Sony models that ARE designed to read CD-R and CD-RW media and these models read most brands just fine.

The black CD-Rs do not emulate CD-RW in any way or form. The black colouring is simply a dye added to the polycarbonate substrate that just so happens to be transparent to infra-red wavelengths (CD drives use an IR laser) but opaque to most visible wavelengths (hence black). Apart from the dubious claim of UV protection and addition scratch resistance, this does nothing else apart from looking "cool".

Black CD-Rs work no better in DVD players than any other type of CD-R.

As for Sony and Imation media, both OEM their production. This means that you do not know whom makes their media with any confidence and it may change from batch to batch. For instance, you stated that Imations in that test were from Taiyo Yuden. Imation also OEMed their CD-Rs from Eastman Kodak for a while too.

d4n13l, I like Verbatim media too -- never had a problem with them either (CD-ROMs, audio CDs, PSX games, VCDs). I've used Kodak media from time to time -- they're quite good.

Regards.

[TIbrO]

d4n13l, how many games do you have for your Playstation? Are they all in English? You should compile a list for me, so I can see if it is worth me buying a PSOne for more than Dance Dance Revolution. I would love to buy a PSone and be guaranteed to have lots of games with minimal work, cause I hate fserv queues and the time it takes to get a damn game!

[d4n13l]

I have a few games, about 25 I think (90% are on CDR). They are all English - Im not that much of a gamer that I buy imports. PS1's are amazing machines, the game play is incredible. Installing a mod chip is very easy if you can use a soldering iron confidently; I did mine myself and I have also done many others since. I could send you some games if you decide to buy one... not over ICQ though Im still on 56K... I snail mail them over... without any white powder that is.

[nfl2k2]

Anyone go to Staples and buy their IBM gold labeled (green bottom) cd's? Their usually 30$/50 pack, but they just had 15$/50 pack so I stocked up on 150. I've used about 70 already and they all work fine. I've made about 30 music cd's and all play fine.

[Greg12]

i bought some imatations n they r crap.

my cd-rw cannot target a 4x laser beam on them and it has to use a 1x speed.