This MPG can't be played on TV

[ConverterCrazy]

Hello,

This is a video (actually there are 3 such videos) of a Wedding Ceremony.

General
Complete name                            : H:\Wedding--1.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG-PS
File size                                : 10.0 GiB
Duration                                 : 55mn 38s
Overall bit rate                         : 25.8 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP                    : Yes
Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=15
Duration                                 : 55mn 38s
Bit rate                                 : 25.0 Mbps
Width                                    : 1920 pixels
Height                                   : 1080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.482
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Open
GOP, Open/Closed of first frame          : Closed
Stream size                              : 9.68 GiB (97%)

Audio
ID                                       : 192 (0xC0)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Duration                                 : 55mn 38s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 384 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 153 MiB (1%) 

The video is on USB HDD and can't be watched on a TV but can be played on a computer. TV plays HD (1920x1080) videos in MP4 container without any problem.

It seems videographer has messed up.

Please suggest ways to make it watchable on TV without loss in quality.

Thanks.

[hech54]

The bitrate is DAMN high.

[netmask56]

Maybe if you put the file in a MP4 container the TV might be able to cope?

[usually_quiet]

Some TVs play a wide variety of media files and others only play MP3s and JPEG photos. The smart thing to do would be to consult the TV manual and find out what types of media files the TV plays and what kinds of audio and video are supported for those kinds of files.

[JVRaines]

Which TV?

[jagabo]

TV plays HD (1920x1080) videos in MP4 container without any problem.

But do you have any reason to believe it will play that in an MPG container? Have it ever played a similar file? Have you tried remuxing into an MP4 file?

[isapc]

Alot of TV's don't like USB hard drives, especially unpowered ones, you may have more luck,maybe, with a USB stick or powered hard drive.Best to look at your TV's manual and look at what it can handle.

[ConverterCrazy]

Thank you all for the replies.

Which TV?

Samsung 42-inch plays true HD videos - not those ripped types - downloaded from internet.

But do you have any reason to believe it will play that in an MPG container? Have it ever played a similar file? Have you tried remuxing into an MP4 file?

Not tried. Am going to try, shortly. Will use Avidemux and convert MP2 audio to AAC at the same bit rate.

That MP2 audio track seems totally 'odd' with HD video.

Shall post results ASAP.

[ConverterCrazy]

Tried with Avidemux, settings:

Video= copy, audio LavAAC, 384KB

Version 2.6.12 gave error "Muxer" and didn't save MP4 file.
Version 2.5.6 indexed and saved the file but no video played.

[lomitus]

Okies...I'll admit that I'm no expert on any of this stuff AT ALL, so please take my comment here with a grain of salt, but I think the key word here is MP4 "container". You said your tv plays "true HD", but that alone is more about resolution than the nuts and bolts of the container and codecs. If it's an older tv (you didn't mention the model), it may not recognize newer codecs and such. If I had to make a guess at this, I might try converting the video to a different compression format...for example, I'm looking at the options in FFCoder and under the MP4 container, there's options for H264, Divx, Xvid, etc., and even on a computer, those won't usually play unless you have the specific codec installed. In this case, the info up there says this is MPEG video, so I might just try a different format (like AVI) and see if that works or use a program like FFCoder to change that MP4 container from MPEG to H263...unlike a computer, you can't usually add/update codecs on your TV (not easily at least, I'm sure), so you may simply need to find a format that works with your specific tv.

Ya might wanna give FFCoder a try...it's a freebie and pretty easy to use...and try a couple of different formats till you find one that works for you.

BTW...you could also try just burning it to a DVD with a program like Adobe Encore (or other DVD authoring software). Not talking about "data" copy, but burning out a proper DVD. Most folks today have DVD players, but not everyone has a flat screen with a USB port, so that would give you a few more options with playback...you wouldn't be limited to JUST your own tv or computer there.

Just my own opinions, but I hope they helps.

[ConverterCrazy]

Thanks, @lomitus for the suggestions.

If I recode, there will be loss in quality which I don't want. Of course I may have to go for recoding if nothing else works.

The folks on this forum are good and experienced, I hope they may come up with some solution.

[usually_quiet]

That MP2 audio track seems totally 'odd' with HD video.

The video and audio could be from an HDV camera.

[ConverterCrazy]

That MP2 audio track seems totally 'odd' with HD video.

The video and audio could be from an HDV camera.

Yes.

[jagabo]

What's odd about MPEG 2 audio and MPEG 2 video in an MPEG container?

[aedipuss]

What's odd about MPEG 2 audio and MPEG 2 video in an MPEG container?

it would be fine if DVD spec but it's not blu-ray compatible at 1080p?

[jagabo]

What's odd about MPEG 2 audio and MPEG 2 video in an MPEG container?

it would be fine if DVD spec but it's not blu-ray compatible at 1080p?

So everything has to be Blu-ray compatible?

[Marsia Mariner]

Does your TV support the m2ts container?

If the answer is *yes*, then give a try to TSMuxer.

But first convert the audio to AC3 @ 640kbps.

Do not use Avidemux — it has TONS of bugs and/or design flaws that will never be fixed.

Prefer ffmpeg or MP4Box for remuxing.

[usually_quiet]

My guess is that the remaining problem is that the bit rate exceeds what the TV allows for MPEG2 video, but it is only a guess because the only information that the OP can/will provide is the TV is a 42-inch Samsung that has been able to play other HD videos.

I looked at manuals for the two Samsung TVs with built-in media players owned by myself and someone else in the family. The 2012 TV allows bit rates up to 30Mbps for MPEG-2 video and MPEG audio in an mpg container. The 2015 TV allows bit rates up to 20Mbps for MPEG-2 video in an mpg container and doesn't list MPEG 1 Layer 2 audio as supported at all.

Since the video probably needs to be re-encoded and we are shooting at a target in the dark, he might as well go with H.264 video + AAC audio in an MP4 container.

[ConverterCrazy]

Does your TV support the m2ts container?

If the answer is *yes*, then give a try to TSMuxer.

But first convert the audio to AC3 @ 640kbps.

Do not use Avidemux — it has TONS of bugs and/or design flaws that will never be fixed.

Prefer ffmpeg or MP4Box for remuxing.

Thanks.
Will try TS Muxer & post results.

[ConverterCrazy]

What's odd about MPEG 2 audio and MPEG 2 video in an MPEG container?

Just a guess on my part. Haven't seen MP2 or MP3 in DVDs that use MPEG2.

[ConverterCrazy]

My guess is that the remaining problem is that the bit rate exceeds what the TV allows for MPEG2 video, but it is only a guess because the only information that the OP can/will provide is the TV is a 42-inch Samsung that has been able to play other HD videos.

I looked at manuals for the two Samsung TVs with built-in media players owned by myself and someone else in the family. The 2012 TV allows bit rates up to 30Mbps for MPEG-2 video and MPEG audio in an mpg container. The 2015 TV allows bit rates up to 20Mbps for MPEG-2 video in an mpg container and doesn't list MPEG 1 Layer 2 audio as supported at all.

Since the video probably needs to be re-encoded and we are shooting at a target in the dark, he might as well go with H.264 video + AAC audio in an MP4 container.

Thanks.
Will check Bit rate and think of conversion.

[usually_quiet]

What's odd about MPEG 2 audio and MPEG 2 video in an MPEG container?

Just a guess on my part. Haven't seen MP2 or MP3 in DVDs that use MPEG2.

MP3 audio isn't allowed by the DVD spec but MPEG-1 Layer 2 audio (your file has MPEG-1 Layer 2) is supported. Look at Videohelp's What is DVD.

[ConverterCrazy]

Demuxed using TSMuxer.

Extracted MPV and MPA files.

Converted audio to m4a [320KB]. But no luck with Yamb or MP4Box. None recognizes MPV file.

[aedipuss]

most tv's are only going to play low complexity videos with mp4 with aac. i'd try converting the original with vidcoder to mkv. the next problem may be the tv will only read fat32 formatted usb devices in which case you are limited to 4GB in size.

[ConverterCrazy]

most tv's are only going to play low complexity videos with mp4 with aac. i'd try converting the original with vidcoder to mkv. the next problem may be the tv will only read fat32 formatted usb devices in which case you are limited to 4GB in size.

Bingo!

Thanks. I reformatted USB HDD as FAT32, split files with MMG at 3G size and all files played!
The audio is clipped but mmg doesn't offer a solution to that!

And I don't know how the TV plays 40GB M2TS file from NTFS USB drive!

Will use Vidcoder method too.

Thank you all for having given your time and suggestions.

[ConverterCrazy]

most tv's are only going to play low complexity videos with mp4 with aac. i'd try converting the original with vidcoder to mkv. the next problem may be the tv will only read fat32 formatted usb devices in which case you are limited to 4GB in size.

Have to revert for more help.

Your second suggestion works. But, there is an annoying break of about 2 seconds after each segment.

I didn't go for your 1st suggestion as conversion will result in loss in quality. In your view, what settings in Vidcoder will work best to reduce file size to 3700MB?
(File sizes are 7.158,159 MB and 10,513.451 MB).

Thanks.

[aedipuss]

vidcoder has a file size setting. tell it what size you want and it will attempt to do it.

[netmask56]

And no matter which program or setting you use you will change quality - haven't arrived at the "something for nothing" stage in encoding My suggestion is get a media player that handles all file types and formats and attach it to the TV.

[ConverterCrazy]

vidcoder has a file size setting. tell it what size you want and it will attempt to do it.

The Video BR is down to 9MB ABR from 20MB.

Can't discern any difference with eyes.

[ConverterCrazy]

And no matter which program or setting you use you will change quality - haven't arrived at the "something for nothing" stage in encoding My suggestion is get a media player that handles all file types and formats and attach it to the TV.

Ok. Connecting HDMI in laptop with TV HDMI? Right?

Thanks.