Philips DVP3150V/37 can't play VHS

[vidblue]

Hello,

I've this combo and a PAL VHS tape. When I put the tape in it, on TV on the right top corner I see a reel icon with red cross on it. Does anyone know what it means?

I hear the audio of the movie but on the TV I see the Philips logo wallpaper.


My TV does support PAL-M/N besides NTSC

Thanks

[DB83]

You tape is PAL-M ?

A European/US vcr can not play that back irrespective of support from the tv.

[hech54]

Hello,

I've this combo and a PAL VHS tape. When I put the tape in it, on TV on the right top corner I see a reel icon with red cross on it. Does anyone know what it means?

I hear the audio of the movie but on the TV I see the Philips logo wallpaper.


My TV does support PAL-M/N besides NTSC

Thanks

According to a previous post of yours....you are in an NTSC country.
This is basically the same (or an extension of) conversation we had before.

[vidblue]

This player does support playing PAL VHS at least according to the specs. I don't know the PAL format but the region is Spain/Europe.

My TV seems supports AUTO/NTSEC/PAL-M/N but only on S-video and Component inputs.
Maybe I need a PAL to NTSC converter?

BTW, the red cross won't stay on as soon as the tape starts playing.

Thanks

[DB83]

But what is the VHS tape ?

There are many PAL variants. You mention 'M' which is Brazil. Do not recall what 'N' is right now. Europe/Spain is PAL-B/I.

A PAL-M tape should playback in black-n-white on a NTSC system. It will not play back on a PAL system. AFAIK

But if hech54 recognises your posts, and I have no reason to dispute him, it matters not what your player can output. A PAL-M tape can only play properly on equipment manufactured specifically for Brazil or a multi-system player. You can get this converted, at a price, for playback in your country

[hech54]

This player does support playing PAL VHS at least according to the specs.

If you bought it in The U.S. - no it doesn't.

I don't know the PAL format but the region is Spain/Europe.

There is no "region" for VHS.

My TV seems supports AUTO/NTSEC/PAL-M/N but only on S-video and Component inputs.

Again.....if you are in America....no it doesn't.

Maybe I need a PAL to NTSC converter?

Ya' Think?

[usually_quiet]

This player does support playing PAL VHS at least according to the specs.

If you bought it in The U.S. - no it doesn't.

I don't know the PAL format but the region is Spain/Europe.

There is no "region" for VHS.

My TV seems supports AUTO/NTSEC/PAL-M/N but only on S-video and Component inputs.

Again.....if you are in America....no it doesn't.

Maybe I need a PAL to NTSC converter?

Ya' Think?

Typically true, but there are specialty retailers in the US that sell multi-system TVs and video equipment.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Multisystem-TVs/ci/1928/N/4289363369
This DVD recorder/VCR combo is discontinued, but it was once available for sale here from a multi-system specialist retailer
http://www.220-electronics.com/lg-dr271-region-free-dvd-recorder-and-vcr-combo.html

[vidblue]

I don't see the format of PAL anywhere on the tape except VHS HQ on it. The tape was bought from Spain so maybe it has the PAL-B/I format and my TV doesn't support it on the composite input.

Don't you think a converter would work or do I've any other option?


I would think an error/message saying incompatible format or something if the player doesn't support the format. Since it does play it, I think it's my TV.


For PAL do you have to have composite only?

[usually_quiet]

I don't see the format of PAL anywhere on the tape except VHS HQ on it. The tape was bought from Spain so maybe it has the PAL-B/I format and my TV doesn't support it on the composite input.

Don't you think a converter would work or do I've any other option?


I would think an error/message saying incompatible format or something if the player doesn't support the format. Since it does play it, I think it's my TV.


For PAL do you have to have composite only?

I took a peek at the manual for the Philips DVP3150V/37. VHS playback on your DVD/VHS combo unit is limited to composite. The manual also says this model supports both PAL and NTSC, and is all region for DVD but it does not convert from PAL to NTSC. It says nothing about NTSC or PAL for VHS.

[vidblue]

Thank you for your time to look at the manual, appreciate it. I referred this link for the specs.


http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/d/dvp3150v_37/dvp3150v_37_pss_aenus.pdf

[usually_quiet]

Thank you for your time to look at the manual, appreciate it. I referred this link for the specs.


http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/d/dvp3150v_37/dvp3150v_37_pss_aenus.pdf

The spec sheet does say this machine can play both PAL and NTSC VHS tapes.

[vidblue]

It seems the VHS tape playback is only limited to Composite as it won't work on Component. It can play DVD on the Component.

I'm guessing that VHS playback on Composite won't convert from PAL to NTSC. Since my TV doesn't support PAL on Composite, I think a PAL to NTSC converter is needed.


Would you agree?

[DB83]

So this PAL-M is a red-herring and has nothing to do with the issue. It really would help if you were more specific in your OP so we do not have to 2nd-guess.

A tape originating in Spain for that market will, for all intents and purposes, play back in any European VCR. That should include your player.

But we now have no info on your tv. Most current models in the UK only support composite in Scart and I do not believe that US tvs have such a connector. Have you managed to play back ANY VHS tapes on this tv with this combi ?

[DB83]

One aside, awaiting the reply, I have quite an old combi. That has s-video out but that is only applicable for dvd playback. A European VHS invariably plays back both PAL and NTSC (as PAL60) so will be interested to know if you have played back any VHS tape in your current setup.

[usually_quiet]

It seems the VHS tape playback is only limited to Composite as it won't work on Component. It can play DVD on the Component.

I'm guessing that VHS playback on Composite won't convert from PAL to NTSC. Since my TV doesn't support PAL on Composite, I think a PAL to NTSC converter is needed.


Would you agree?

Yes, either that or a new multi-system TV. LOL 220-electronics.com. world-import.com and similar stores sell PAL to NTSC converters. I can't tell you which models give the best performance.

[vidblue]

My apologies for not providing proper information earlier. I wasn't aware of various PAL formats until I read the Wikipedia.

I've never played any VHS tape on this system with my TV connected before. This is a first shot and with a PAL tape.


My TV is Sharp LE-40LE700UN (2009) and it doesn't have SCART connector. Here is the TV manual


http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/pdf/cat.pdf

[jagabo]

I'm guessing that VHS playback on Composite won't convert from PAL to NTSC. Since my TV doesn't support PAL on Composite, I think a PAL to NTSC converter is needed.

Would you agree?

No.

I've this combo and a PAL VHS tape. When I put the tape in it, on TV on the right top corner I see a reel icon with red cross on it.

This indicates the VHS player refuses to play the tape. You need a PAL VHS deck to play a PAL tape.

[usually_quiet]

My apologies for not providing proper information earlier. I wasn't aware of various PAL formats until I read the Wikipedia.

I've never played any VHS tape on this system with my TV connected before. This is a first shot and with a PAL tape.


My TV is Sharp LE-40LE700UN (2009) and it doesn't have SCART connector. Here is the TV manual


http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/pdf/cat.pdf

Your TV is multi-system, but it appears only some of its video connections are for multi-system use and support choosing the color system: AUTO, PAL-N, PAL-M, or NTSC. See page 29 of the PDF manual.

[Edit]PAL-N and PAL-M use a color system that is virtually the same as the NTSC color system, so the picture from a PAL tape is going to be black and white. --- This is not quite right. See Wikipedia for an explanation of PAL-M and PAL-N. I hadn't had my second cup of coffee when I wrote this.

[DB83]

Ok. Do you have a NTSC tape you can try ?

But I guess that would also fail for the connection reasons as stated.

Is there such a thing as a composite to component adapter ?

[usually_quiet]

Ok. Do you have a NTSC tape you can try ?

But I guess that would also fail for the connection reasons as stated.

Is there such a thing as a composite to component adapter ?

A composite cable would be far less expensive than a composite to component converter. ...but it looks like the TV doesn't support PAL-B input. Maybe the VCR doesn't play PAL-B tapes either, as the spec sheet doesn't say which PAL variants it supports.

[DB83]

Ok. Do you have a NTSC tape you can try ?

But I guess that would also fail for the connection reasons as stated.

Is there such a thing as a composite to component adapter ?

A composite cable would be far less expensive than a composite to component converter. ...but it looks like the TV doesn't support PAL-B input. Maybe the VCR doesn't play PAL-B tapes either, as the spec sheet doesn't say which PAL variants it supports.

Ah. Just checked the manual and the tv does appear to have composite connectors. The manual also states PAL-M/N only. So I guess the OP is fooked.

[vidblue]

I think you are probably right saying about support of PAL-B on my TV and/or the VCR. This is what I just tried.

I removed the Y, Pb,Pr and connected Video,Audio (L/R) on the input 1. Now I see the VCR blue screen with status like Play, STOP , CH etc. On the TV menu, I changed the color system as Auto ( tried other options as NTSC , PAL-M/N) and pressed "play". On the screen I see horizontal black and white stripes with audio which sounds like a fast forwarded audio. I didn't see any error/message and red crossing.


Since my TV doesn't have an option to select PAL-B, I think that's the problem. I also think my VCR supports PAL-B and it seems playing the tape ( as I see the run timer is increasing ). Since there is no specific mention of specific format(s) in the specs/manual , I would think the VCR is able to play all PAL formats.


So I think I need a PAL-B to NTSC converter. Am I right?

[turk690]

To avoid confusion, venerable VHS tapes shouldn't be referred to as PAL-M, B, etc. PAL is the color system; B, M, N, etc is the analogue broadcast system; the lot is intended to describe TVs and what they can receive and display correctly.
A better way to refer to particular VHS tapes would be PAL, NTSC, PAL/60, NTSC/50, etc.

[hech54]

To avoid confusion, venerable VHS tapes shouldn't be referred to as PAL-M, B, etc. PAL is the color system; B, M, N, etc is the analogue broadcast system

Exactly. PAL is PAL. The only time B, D, G, H I, M and N come into play is RECEIVING the BROADCAST signal(for the tuner and channels). Mentioning the letters only confuses the situation.

[usually_quiet]

To avoid confusion, venerable VHS tapes shouldn't be referred to as PAL-M, B, etc. PAL is the color system; B, M, N, etc is the analogue broadcast system; the lot is intended to describe TVs and what they can receive and display correctly.
A better way to refer to particular VHS tapes would be PAL, NTSC, PAL/60, NTSC/50, etc.

Well, then to satisfy your standards for correctness, the tapes are standard PAL VHS tapes, but according to the manufacturer, the TV can only correctly display a PAL/M or PAL/N signal via composite. Maybe you need to write Sharp and chastise them regarding the lax technical standards in their manuals.

[DB83]

Well all tapes might be described as PAL but go try and play a PAL tape recorded in Brazil in a VCR in Europe. I know since I have been there (no. not Brazil. I meant the tape (and it did have any fungus on it either )

To the OP, since this player is a combi, have you tried dubbing it straight to dvd ?

[vidblue]

This combo player supports the direct dubbing from DVD to VHS and not other way around.

I'm searching online an appropriate PAL to NTSC converter.

[DB83]

This combo player supports the direct dubbing from DVD to VHS and not other way around.

My mistake. Most of our combis (when you could get them) were dvd-recorders as well.

Edit: Lots os digital PAL >> NTSC converters available on flea-bay. But at the price you pay for one of these you would be better off out-sourcing either a dvd or get the tape itself converted.

[hech54]

I'm searching online an appropriate PAL to NTSC converter.

You still need an in-line converter with a VCR listed as "multi-system".

26th Sep 2013 04:35

[vidblue]

Will this converter work?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-PAL-NTSC-SECAM-to-PAL-NTSC-MINI-Bi-directional-TV-Format-S...item485996706c