AVI to DVD MPEG (CCE or TMPGenc encoders)

[Greensmurfet]

On another note, regarding the conversion. If I'm converting from Pal to NTSC what aspect ratio do I use? My Pal is 2.250 aspect (9:4), 720x320. I want the video to be in 16:9. So with my understanding this is the math :

320(.8334)=266.668 but we want it to be a multiple of 4 so it would be 268 for the vertical...

So my avs file for that portion would look like this:

LanczosResize(720,268)
AddBorders(0,106,0,106)

Is that right? I'm asking because I noticed that my borders weren't even on the top and bottom and was wondering why. I've decided to recode the movie so i might as well clear this up first.

Thanks

[DJRumpy]

It doesn't explicitly walk you through it, but it does mention what tools you need to convert audio from PAL to NTSC in the "Tools you will need" section:

Tools you will need:
GSpot or AVICodec
AVISynth (version 2.5x)
VirtualDubMod (1.5.10.1 or higher)
Notepad (or any other plain text editor)
AC3Fix.exe
An MPEG-2 Encoder (I'll cover two popular encoders in this guide - CCE, and TMPGenc)
Bitrate Calculator ( https://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm )
Note: If your using CCE, you should be using CCE 2.70 or higher. Although you can use version 2.50 with this guide, the dialogs in this guide won't match your settings exactly. The basic text of the dialogs is very similar. You should be able to muddle through.

If you are converting from PAL to NTSC or vice versa, and your AVI has AC3 audio, you will need these tools in addition to the ones listed above:
AC3Machine ( http://dspguru.doom9.org/ )
BeSweet.exe (version 1.4)
BeLight GUI can be used with BeSweet to make using BeSweet MUCH easier

Just use BeSweet and BeLight, assuming they are still around. It's been quite a few years since I wrote this guide. If I recall, they offer simple options to convert AC3 from PAL to FILM. Just shout if you have any questions.

For your aspect, you should set the resolution according to the source's original aspect. Is the orignal source 1.77, 1.85, 2.20, or 2.35? Given the resolution you've shown, it would be ultra-widescreen or it's improperly encoded with a 4:3 aspect. It's more likely the source was not encoded with the proper aspect to begin with. If it's a studio DVD, we can just look it up on the net to find out what the aspect is supposed to be.

[Greensmurfet]

Unfortunately it's a downloaded avi I believe. I sorta inherited it from someone. I don't have a way of finding out from the person if they did anything to it or where they got it from. The aspect ratio is 2.25. The closest seems like 2.20 but I wasn't sure if I use that ratio if I use the ntsc or pal conversion. I'm assuming I would use the ntsc 720x388 for a 2.20 aspect ratio. Should I force that?

I have the besweet programs, they are still around. I think I had tried using ac3machine and it didn't do the conversion... I will try with the besweet gui and let you know how it goes.

[DJRumpy]

You could use 2.25 or 2.20. Not all video's will follow the classic aspect ratios, so it is possible that is the aspect you need. I would personally go with 2.20 or 2.35. if it's a studio release film, then I would probably go with a 2.35 aspect. You should definitely force it to the proper 16:9 aspect for DVD so that your end result looks right when played back.

[jagabo]

On another note, regarding the conversion. If I'm converting from Pal to NTSC what aspect ratio do I use? My Pal is 2.250 aspect (9:4), 720x320. I want the video to be in 16:9. So with my understanding this is the math :

320(.8334)=266.668 but we want it to be a multiple of 4 so it would be 268 for the vertical...

So my avs file for that portion would look like this:

LanczosResize(720,268)
AddBorders(0,106,0,106)

Is that right? I'm asking because I noticed that my borders weren't even on the top and bottom and was wondering why. I've decided to recode the movie so i might as well clear this up first.

Thanks

I recommend you use FitCD. I would also make the image fall on a mod8 boundary within the letterboxing -- so use uneven bars if necessary.

[DJRumpy]

No. That would be for a 4:3 MPEG. I'm assuming your video is widescreen, meaning you need to put a 16:9 DAR on your MPEG and resize your output video to 720x388 (that's the equivalent of a 2.20 aspect on a 16:9 MPEG).

I wrote a guide years ago that explains the difference between a 4:3 and a 16:9 MPEG. You can read up on it here:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/120047-Determining-Aspect-Ratios-and-Resolutions

[Greensmurfet]

Swwweeeet! The Gui worked this time. After conversion 1:50:28. It's perfect.

I will encode the movie again with the DAR you think I should use.

[pboong]

How do i ensure that the subtitle is working for this stage?

And what if I have both audio languages?

[DJRumpy]

pboong, working at what state? You'll have to give a bit more information.

[Alex_ander]

On another note, regarding the conversion. If I'm converting from Pal to NTSC what aspect ratio do I use? My Pal is 2.250 aspect (9:4), 720x320. I want the video to be in 16:9. So with my understanding this is the math :

320(.8334)=266.668 but we want it to be a multiple of 4 so it would be 268 for the vertical...

So my avs file for that portion would look like this:

LanczosResize(720,268)
AddBorders(0,106,0,106)

Is that right?

That would be right in case 720x320 had come from letterboxing within PAL DVD frame. Then you'd simply use 320x480/576=266.66(6) for new height. But in case the numbers 720x320 define DAR (as in avi), it's not correct.

You already have the correct solution by now, but it might be still interesting to you, where the numbers come from. If you are assuming your source DAR 2.25, then proportions can be re-calculated from relationship between 16/9 (parent frame of same width, with height 480) and 2.25 (letterboxed image).

NewHeight=[(16/9)/2.25]x480=379.26~=380

Or in case 2.2 (as recommended above) instead of 2.25 you can re-calculate it proportionally:

NewHeight=379.26x2.25/2.2=388

[pboong]

pboong, working at what state? You'll have to give a bit more information.

Ok, to make it simplify.
My end result must be in wma format for streaming purposes.

And also, if my video consists of 2 audio languages and 1 foreign subtitle (Chinese), how do I go with it?


In the past, I am using DVD2AVI, then AVIscript2.5 and lastly on Virtual Dub.
So, I am thinking if AVISyth work perfectly well for my case or not.

[DJRumpy]

This conversion guide is to convert to DVD MPEG, not WMA. Check the Guides section for WMA specific guides.

Thanks

[pboong]

This conversion guide is to convert to DVD MPEG, not WMA. Check the Guides section for WMA specific guides.

Thanks

Thanks, I understand that.

Right now, I just want to know if I had decrypt the movie from the DVD in .VOB and .IFO. What's the step like if I want to retain 2 audio language provided in the DVD? And also the subtitle, if it is not burn in.


much appreciated.

[jagabo]

Right now, I just want to know if I had decrypt the movie from the DVD in .VOB and .IFO. What's the step like if I want to retain 2 audio language provided in the DVD?

You select both audio tracks when you convert. Without knowing what software you are using there is no way to give you a more specific answer.

[DJRumpy]

Those are best answered in another guide. You should choose what languages and subtitles to rip when you rip it.

Start here: https://www.videohelp.com/guides/category/newbie-dvd-to-dvd-backup-guides-6;65#6;65

[pboong]

Thanks all.

The step that I am doing is like this:

Decrypt DVD using IFO mode on DVD decrypter.
Drop .vob to DVD2AVI to get .d2v
Launch AVIscript2.5, drop audio of .ac3 to .wav(For correct delay). Then, drop .d2v with correct delay of .ac3 audio and convert as .avs

After converting, launch VOBSub program and align the whole subtitle.

Drop the .avs to Virtual Dub for syncing of audio and subtitle.

After checking, drop .avs to CCE for encoding, so that I can convert .mpv to .wma


That's the step I am using now. But recently, 3 out of 4 computers are unable do the scripting on AVIscript due to line26 and I was told in this forum that I should give AVIsynth a try. But I am quite lost on doing the scripting.

[manono]

You're using methods are at least 5 years out of date. You make the D2V file using DGIndex. You don't need to convert the AC3 audio to WAV audio to remove the delay. You can do that directly using DelayCut. You're reencoding to MPV so you can reencode yet again to WMV? That makes no sense at all since you can encode for WMV directly from the original DVD. Demux the M2V at the same time you make the D2V file using DGIndex, if you really need it for some reason (which you don't, since you'll have the D2V file). And no one uses this AVIScript.

I don't (and won't) use WMV so maybe someone else can help with that.

[pboong]

Hi manono,

Yes, i am aware of that. hence, trying to get the thing done. According to my manager and previous coll, they drop the .avs to CCE for encoding is due to burnt in the sub on the video.
I gotten the video is in the format of .vob.

So may I know what is the next step?

I will be happy to know all these tho.

[manono]

You're reencoding to MPEG-2 video to burn in the subs? And then you're reencoding yet again to WMV? Again, not necessary at all because you can go directly to WMV. But anyway, a sample and very basic script might go something like this:

LoadPlugin("C:\Path\To\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Path\To\VSFilter.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\To\Video.d2v")
VobSub("C:\Path\To\Subpictures_20.idx")#VobSubs extracted from the DVD
ConvertToYUY2()#for CCE

It has to be crappy WMV? Why not the more commonly used FLV or MP4 with x/H264 video?

[pboong]

You're reencoding to MPEG-2 video to burn in the subs? And then you're reencoding yet again to WMV? Again, not necessary at all because you can go directly to WMV. But anyway, a sample and very basic script might go something like this:

LoadPlugin("C:\Path\To\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Path\To\VSFilter.dll")
MPEG2Source("C:\Path\To\Video.d2v")
VobSub("C:\Path\To\Subpictures_20.idx")#VobSubs extracted from the DVD
ConvertToYUY2()#for CCE

It has to be crappy WMV? Why not the more commonly used FLV or MP4 with x/H264 video?

Thanks, im open to any suggestion if it really works.

One reason to go wmv is because my client require .wmv
However, what suggestion would you give me if I want the end format to be in .wmv with burnt in sub.

Im quite lost at this point.
For instance, after decrypting to .vob, what's next for me?

[manono]

Like I said, I have no knowledge of nor any interest in WMV. After putting the VOB onto the hard drive you make the D2V file, extract the VobSubs from the DVD, and create the script. Test the script in VDub or in a player that can play scripts (MPC-HC, among others) to see if it's OK and report any error messages you don't understand. I don't know what WMV encoders, if any, accept AviSynth scripts. Maybe someone else can help there, or give an alternative method for what you're doing.

[pboong]

Thanks manono

So the script, as you provided earlier, to be saved on notepad as .avs? Hence drop to Vdub. Is there what you mean? =)

Really appreciate the help here.

[jagabo]

Open your VOB sequence in DgIndex, create an index file (.D2V) with File -> Save Project. That will also demux the AC3 audio tracks. Make the AviSynth script with Notepad, save with .AVS as the extension, open that in your editor. VirtualDubMod can create WMV3 in an AVI container if you install the WMV9VCM package. It will also allow you to mux in several AC3 audio tracks. You may be able to remux that into a WMV/ASF container with AsfBin.

[pboong]

Open your VOB sequence in DgIndex, create an index file (.D2V) with File -> Save Project. That will also demux the AC3 audio tracks. Make the AviSynth script with Notepad, save with .AVS as the extension, open that in your editor. VirtualDub can create WMV3 in an AVI container if you install the WMV9VCM package. You may be able to remux that into a WMV/ASF container, along with the audio tracks, with AsfBin.

I give it a try when I am back in office later.

Is there a need for me to drop the .avs in CCE?


And also, how do I join Disc 1 and 2 together as 1 full length movie?

[manono]

Is there a need for me to drop the .avs in CCE?

For the third time, no.

And also, how do I join Disc 1 and 2 together as 1 full length movie?

Although there's at least a fair chance of encountering audio synch problems when joining 2 discs, open them all in DGIndex and make one D2V project file and one AC3 audio file for the entire movie.

[pboong]

And also, how do I join Disc 1 and 2 together as 1 full length movie?

Although there's at least a fair chance of encountering audio synch problems when joining 2 discs, open them all in DGIndex and make one D2V project file and one AC3 audio file for the entire movie.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I make a test run first on the D2V project first.
So I assume that DGIndex allow multiple .vob.

[jagabo]

So I assume that DGIndex allow multiple .vob.

Yes.

[pboong]

Thanks for everyone input.
I hope I can get some more help.

1. After dropping the SideA and B.vob to DGIndex, I save as the project to .d2v. Now, I have 1 .d2v with 2 .ac3. How do I get 1 full .ac3 from the show instead?

2. For the script given:

LoadPlugin("C:\Documents and Settings\avguys\Desktop\DGmpegDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\VSFilter.dll")
MPEG2Source("G:\Replacements_SideA\Replacement_16x9_NTSC..d2v") This will be .d2v I just saved from DGIndex, right?
VobSub("C:\Path\To\Subpictures_20.idx")#VobSubs extracted from the DVD I'm using a program call: VobSub Configure
ConvertToYUY2()#for CCE

3. For NTSC to PAL, can I add in this script?

# Separate fields and interpolate them to full height.
Bob()
# Resize to PAL square-pixel frame size
BicubicResize(720,576)
# Convert field rate to PAL, using Blend Mode.
ConvertFPS(50)
# Undo Bob, even field first. Use SelectEvery(4,1,2) for odd field first.
SeparateFields.SelectEvery(4,1,2)
# Finish undoing Bob
Weave

4. Drop the .avs to Virtual Dub and save it to .avi.

Am I right?

[manono]

1. If you opened all the VOBs at once and made a D2V for the entire movie, then you made an AC3 for the entire movie at the same time. Maybe there were 2 different audio tracks on the DVDs. Check the length of the AC3 files to confirm (or disprove) they contain the complete audio for both discs.
2. It looks OK. If it's a movie and if it was encoded as progressive, then you should make the D2V using Force Film and get a 23.976fps D2V. If it's hard telecined you'll make it using the default Honor Pulldown Flags and IVTC in the script. The included docs explain all this. You have to understand your source to understand how to treat it. Movies on NTSC DVD are 23.976fps and not 29.97fps, which is probably what you made in DGIndex. A small sample from the source would help, if you don't know what to do.
3. Why are you making a PAL DVD? Anyway, no, you don't use ConvertFPS unless you prefer a blurry picture to a clean and clear one. Ordinarily, when converting from NTSC to PAL, movie studios speed up the video (AssumeFPS(23.976)) and also speed up the audio (and subs) to match.
4. I thought you were making a WMV?

[pboong]

1. If you opened all the VOBs at once and made a D2V for the entire movie, then you made an AC3 for the entire movie at the same time. Maybe there were 2 different audio tracks on the DVDs. Check the length of the AC3 files to confirm (or disprove) they contain the complete audio for both discs.
2. It looks OK. If it's a movie and if it was encoded as progressive, then you should make the D2V using Force Film and get a 23.976fps D2V. If it's hard telecined you'll make it using the default Honor Pulldown Flags and IVTC in the script. The included docs explain all this. You have to understand your source to understand how to treat it. Movies on NTSC DVD are 23.976fps and not 29.97fps, which is probably what you made in DGIndex. A small sample from the source would help, if you don't know what to do.
3. Why are you making a PAL DVD? Anyway, no, you don't use ConvertFPS unless you prefer a blurry picture to a clean and clear one. Ordinarily, when converting from NTSC to PAL, movie studios speed up the video (AssumeFPS(23.976)) and also speed up the audio (and subs) to match.
4. I thought you were making a WMV?

Thanks for clarification.

Yes, the audio is in Mandarin and English.

All the DVDs I have here are movies, so I will just go ahead to use Forced Film instead.
As client requested, we have to provide in PAL format to them. How can I do with it by using the script?

Lastly, my job doing for VOD varies a few like wmv and Mp4.

When drop to virtual Dub, I only see .avi as I have not install the WMV9VCM yet.
I will keep an update on that.

Currently my other client requested MP4 at 10mbps PAL. Hence, getting .avi and drop to Episode6 Pro for conversion.

What will be the script for the audio?

WAVSource(G:\Replacements_SideA\Replacement_16x9_NTSC_V2 T81 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -25ms.ac3)

What's the changes I need to edit?

Please advise