where am i going wrong? DVD structure that Nero wont add

[snadge]

I have a DVD structure that NERO wont add-files to to burn
ive attached a screenshot of said structure...is it right?

[LJB]

Change "dk" to "vts".
dk_01_0.vob -> vts_01_0.vob

Refer to "what is dvd" in the upper left corner of this page to see the correct naming structure.

[snadge]

thanks LJB - I actually thought it was that but better asking first...

[Cornucopia]

Once renamed correctly (and that includes ALL CAPS), those files need to be in a VIDEO_TS folder off the root. If you need to include other, non-DVD-Video-based files, those SHOULD NOT be in the VIDEO_TS folder, but in some other folder off the root.

Scott

[snadge]

yeah ive burned it thanks but its a widescreen movie in 4:3 or summit cos its all short and stretched and playing through my HDMI cable i cant use the TV's diff formats to stretch it up/down a bit
HDMI sets the TV's output
the DVDR needs re-authoring by looks of it, how i dont know - think i will just bin it

[lordsmurf]

I'd re-author whatever that mess is.

[snadge]

its a 4:3 format with a widescreen movie in the middle so to speak - playback through my 16:9 HD-TV leaves the TV stretching sideways to fit hence its short (everyone looks short and fat) - ive downloaded it like that
I have XviD versions same quality as the DVD-R so no point in re-authoring

or could i?

I have the structure on Hard-Drive - could I strip it and re-author it WITHOUT the black bars at top+bottom which make it 4:3

[noemi7]

Use PGCEdit to change the aspect ratio. Open your DVD > select a VTS at the left panel > Menu: Domain stream attributes > Video (aspect ratio). Just a few clicks 8)

[snadge]

yeah lets have a play with it...ive got it all backed up anyway
i will give it a go

thanks

[snadge]

ive done that - how do i save it or re-author it now?

(when i opened the structure it wanted to scan for summit but i cancelled it?)

I right-clicked on the bottom VTS which was the full movie time on it and choose DSA->VIDEO changed to 16:9 and click OK

what now?

[noemi7]

I'm not sure but PGCEdit should saves ifo/bup files by default. If not, do it as in any other program: Menu "File" > "Save DVD". It will create a backup of ifo/bup files in the VIDEO_TS\PgcEdit_backup folder. Move it somewhere else, outside VIDEO_TS folder as Nero won't accept it where it is now.

BTW: are you sure that your video is really widescreen 16:9, and not 4:3 letterboxed? Letterboxed version can only be changed by cutting the black bars, resizing and re-encoding video, which of course will lead to quality loss.

[snadge]

its 4:3 letterboxed - so i need to remove the black bars

[snadge]

so how do i re-edit these VOB's?

they look interlaced aswell - can i De-Interlace them?

really- im just interested in removing the black bars

thanks

[guns1inger]

You can't remove them without re-encoding. The simplest solution is DVD Rebuilder. Under advanced avisynth options is a 4:3 Letterbox -> 16:9 conversion.

You do not need to deinterlace.

[snadge]

thanks Gunsl1nger

I have it running - looks like its gunna take a while... its using HCenc to rebuild it to 16:9

Why couldnt I check the 'De-Interlace' option also?
I would have liked too but kept to your instuctions

[guns1inger]

Deinterlacing introduces artifacts, soften the image and is un-necessary for DVD for DVD playback on TV. If the source is 23.976 fps then it is already progressive. If it is 29.970 fps then making it progressive will just reduce quality. If your TV needs to deinterlace on the fly for playback, it will do a far better job of it.

[snadge]

thanks

not sure on the source... how can i find out?
the encoder says its interlaced and i could tell during playback on fast moving artifacts...

I watch through a DVD and TV that handles both PAL and NTSC the DVD player upscales to 720p using HDMI cable and upscaling then to the HD Ready TV which is 32" 720x1280 (I think its actual resolution is 768x1366)

Does Deinterlacing also increase the size of the output? (hence losing quality to compression) ?

thanks again

P.S. I just watched one of the M2V files its creating and its doing a good job

[manono]

Does Deinterlacing also increase the size of the output? (hence losing quality to compression) ?

The filesize is entirely dependent on the bitrate you set. In general, though, interlaced content is much harder to compress than is progressive content. Which is not to say you should deinterlace. I agree with the advice given about keeping it interlaced for DVD, if the source is interlaced.

[guns1inger]

The quality loss comes from the methods of deinterlacing. If the video is truely interlaced (and be careful if it is PAL, as some PAL video is tagged as interlaced, although the frames are actually progressive) then each frame is made up of two fields, taken a moment in time apart (one fiftieth of a second, int the case of PAL). The more movement in the shot, the greater the difference between the fields, which gives rise to the interlacing lines you see on your monitor.

A standard TV set displays one field at a time, so you don't notice these lines when you are watching. A flat panel will deinterlace on-the-fly to get a progressive display, however it does so with adaptive algorithms that apply different techniques to different parts of the frame to get the best result.

Most software deinterlacers only have one method, and apply it across the frame. Smarter ones may apply it differently or at varying levels, but most a pretty unsubtle. There are one or two better deinterlacing filters, however they are incredibly slow (on a fast machine they may process at 4 fps), and these won't give you the same quality as your TV can do on it's own.

[snadge]

thanks - as always Gunsl1nger your very helpfull and im very greatfull for advice and info....

To be honest I could only see the lines when i was using the DVD players ZOOM feature to try and get it to fit 4:3LB to 16:9 better - on its proper level it was fine

just wished I added it as a batch on DVD Rebuilder so i could get it to turn off when its done as ive got to go out for 5 hours in 1 hour - its at 19% done overall VTS_01 segment 10

just how many segments is in a VOB?

[snadge]

I have CCE SP2 - could it have used and got better results with that than using HCenc ? - i choose its directory during setup of DVD RB

saying that ive played back the MV2 file alongside the original VOB and expanded the vob so the actual video was same ratio as the M2V and quality was EXACT the same - so HCenc doing a good job anyway

[guns1inger]

I have CCE SP2 - could it have used and got better results with that than using HCenc ? - i choose its directory during setup of DVD RB

saying that ive played back the MV2 file alongside the original VOB and expanded the vob so the actual video was same ratio as the M2V and quality was EXACT the same - so HCenc doing a good job anyway

maybe, maybe not. HCEnc is pretty damn good. CCE is probably still faster, but it's too late now.

[snadge]

a total offtopic question but i know you can probably answer gunsl1nger - whats a multi-bezel when your buying a DVD-RW..?

Im upgrading an old iMedia 5054 (2002) for my mom - ive put 512Mb in bringing it to 768Mb and swapped the 2Ghz\128k celeron for a 2Ghz\512k Pentium-4 - its unbelievably faster but the drive doesnt burn DVD's so we'd like to put one in - BUT the front of the tower is a cream/greyish color and its hard to find a drive to match color - is multi-bezel where you can change the front of the drive?

thanks

[lordsmurf]

Yes, multi-bezel is piece of plastic can be changed.

[snadge]

I just want to thank all that helped - specially GUNSL1NGER who gave me the correct technique and apps to get what I want - I now have the movie in 16:9 same quality as the 4:3 letterboxed - great stuff , took my 1.6Ghz dual-core chip 5 hours to do it in 2 passes with HCenc

THANKS