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[Supreme2k]

STFU with your blatant insults, ROF.

I already conceded that MS products are different, so since I haven't used them in a while, I was mistaken. When I used Student Editions a few years back, there weren't such restictions.

I would have helped the OP if I would have gotten the clarification for which I have repeatedely asked. The case still rings odd.

As a matter of fact, I am always right. You (ROF) are always wrong. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone on this site who even tolerates you, but you are well within your rights to post on this site.

[ROF]

Adam already linked the clarification for you. I am sorry if reading is something new to you. I said my original thought that the software license may have expired because of it being a student copy was not correct. I suggested this before knowing that limited details of the agreement for DeVry student licenses were online and available for viewing. I tried to help, you have only criticized.

Is there a requirement that you must be liked in order to post useful information?

Is there a requirement that you must be tolerated in order to attempt to help someone?

Is there anybody who can tolerate you?

As always, you provide easy fodder for false pretenses. I suggest you get over yourself and realize that this is a forum where discussions(not arguements) are freely and openly talked about until a solution is found. Some suggestions or thoughts might be incorrect. Surely posting lies such as "Walmart license agreements and student license agreement are the same" are neither good thoughts or sensible arguements. I am sorry you can only sling negativity when you enter or stay in any topic where you are proven completely and entirely wrong. Maybe it was the way you were raised or maybe you didn't suffer enough playground beatings or maybe neither is true, but whatever the case may be nothing you provided to this topic or most others even remotely resembles assistance to the original poster.

[Supreme2k]

Adam already linked the clarification for you.

No, he never linked to what particular software the OP had, nor whether Devry installed it.

1. Is there a requirement that you must be liked in order to post useful information?

2. Is there a requirement that you must be tolerated in order to attempt to help someone?

3. Is there anybody who can tolerate you?

1. Not if the info is actually useful, and not just accusations of theft.

2. Not if your "help" is accusing them of theft.

3. People love me for my Devil May Care attitude and general empathy

As always, you provide easy fodder for false pretenses.

I very well could be your fodder. Sounds like you're from the Bronx.

I suggest you get over yourself and realize that this is a forum where discussions(not arguements) are freely and openly talked about until a solution is found.

I suggest you get over the negative connotations that you associate with the word "argument". Any time you have differing viewpoints ("What's the best...? Are CMC any good?") that is an argument. Helpful suggestions are arguments on behalf of that suggestion.

Surely posting lies such as "Walmart license agreements and student license agreement are the same" are neither good thoughts or sensible arguements.

That quote is not mine (adam's, actually) and it is incorrect to boot.

Maybe it was the way you were raised or maybe you didn't suffer enough playground beatings or maybe neither is true, but whatever the case may be nothing you provided to this topic or most others even remotely resembles assistance to the original poster.

Only someone who suffered both negative experiences could post something as sour as that. I'm sure violence is the answer to all of your disputes while you bask in anonimity on a message board.

[Baldrick]

i suggest you continue private.

[ROF]

Nothing more to say. You've proven my point. Thanks for nothing as usual S2K. You provided alot of help to the original poster. You made some great suggestions. You even thought of some brilliant solutions. You get two gold stars for your effort.

[adam]

No, he never linked to what particular software the OP had, nor whether Devry installed it.

It doesn't matter what the software is or whether Devry installed it or not (I'm sure they didn't.) As its software, he obviously licensed it and that license can be either a retail one or an educational one. If its retail or if its a valid educational license than a call to Microsoft will fix the problem. If its an expired educational license than all he can do is renew it through Microsoft or call Devry, who probably can't fix it but can at least explain why its expired.

[burnman99]

When I took MCSE Classes, the software I got had either a 90 or 120 day license. I can't speak for Devry though since I never took a class from them only Microsoft

HTH

Roger

[otpw1]

@ bluemoss- How fare you?
When this happened to me the fix from M$ took about 5 minutes.

[lordsmurf]

I got MS Windows XP Pro for $20 and it was nothing more than a disc with crappy quality school logo and MS/XP logos slapped on with a Casio ribbon disc printer in blue ink. The serial number was handwritten on the paper sleeve. It's a corporate edition, too.

The EULA was on screen at install, the standard one that comes with any retail version of Windows.

This was a major university, through the continuing education program.

I never saw anything more than that. All this talk of software "expiring" for schools sounds quite silly.

[adam]

So I guess you didn't bother to read Microsoft's licensing page either then since the standard campus license says quite clearly that the student must graduate to keep the license. Or look at the sample EULA from UC's Microsoft license. It says it right there, if you don't graduate within the contract term than the license expires...period. Why is this silly? Licenses are contracts. You can negotiate whatever terms you want. I'm not sure what you are saying. It kinda sounds like you just doubt that you can buy full versions of Microsoft products at these reduced prices. Well then how do explain MS's student licensing page?

I bought lots of Microsoft software under student licenses from the University of Texas. The WinXP I'm running right now is one example. Cost me $5.

http://www.utexas.edu/its/sds/microsoft/eula.html

It lists all the software you can buy. They are full versions and cost $5 per disc. And again it says in the EULA you must graduate and do it within the 3 year contract term or you lose the license. There's nothing silly about it. This is how it is done in most universities across the nation.

If that windows software you purchased, whatever it was actually supposed to be, was corporate software than obviously it has nothing to do with student licensed software. Those are two totally different types of licenses. It sounds to me like you just got ripped off.

[disturbed1]

Most student editions also don't qualify for upgrades, nor tech support (or limited tech support) -> but this all depends on the EULA.

I used to work in a retail store that sold student edition MS Office (among others), but anyone could purchase these. We didn't ID or ask for proof that they were a student/teacher whatever. So how can MS be sure that you are intitled to that product? My university book stores always required a valid and current Student ID.

Or is through some type of activation/registration? Fax us your transcript type of thing, I've had to do that for a couple pieces of proprietary software.

Every piece of student/teacher edition software I've purchased came in legit packaging with an original CD, or at the min. a COA. Each software company had a different type of EULA, most all stated exactly what Adam has posted. Some have even stated that the license is only good while I was considered a full time student, and changing my status to part time student would end the EULA.

[Supreme2k]

I just thought of something.

It's all well and good to post links to these online EULAs, but most of the software (all for me) was purchased in a store. The EULA is no different than retail on most of the software purchases. No one at the store tells buyers that it is required to go to these specific web sites and agree to that alternate EULA.

So, adam, is it not at least conceivable that there are either "regular" versions of software at universities, or at least the perception is being enforced that they are? You may link all you want, but like ls, I've bought software of various types at the campus store, loaded it up, and it has the same EULA as retail (onscreen). I even have MS Word, which came in a regular disc case, shrink-wrapped. It was a Student Edition, but had none of the limitations noted on the pages that you linked.

Basically, you can't agree to a contract that you never see (or is different from the one you do see).

[adam]

Well of course its conceivable, all campus book/computer stores are going to sell retail software too. I never said that when you buy software from campuses you are getting stuck with a more limited student license, I said to read your damn EULA. A hard copy of the EULA should come with student licensed software too.

I posted the online EULAs to show you that such licenses not only exist but are common, since you repeatedly claimed that this was not true.

[lordsmurf]

I've never seen student software sold in a bookstore, aside from small offerings from Apple or Adobe in special education-branded boxes. Most software, especially the MS stuff, is sold by the school's computer services department. These places are not clean, not organized, not pretty. They're usually crammed away in some old building, often in a basement or other obscure location. It's about as opposite of professional as it gets. More often than not, you're also dealing with a foreign student that barely speaks English.

In other words, if the school sold something improperly, then the student should not be held responsible. And I would agree to "you can't agree to a contract that you never see". That's pure common sense.

[Supreme2k]

Well of course its conceivable, all campus book/computer stores are going to sell retail software too. I never said that when you buy software from campuses you are getting stuck with a more limited student license, I said to read your damn EULA. A hard copy of the EULA should come with student licensed software too.

But you said

So I guess you didn't bother to read Microsoft's licensing page either then since the standard campus license says quite clearly that the student must graduate to keep the license. Or look at the sample EULA from UC's Microsoft license.

That sounds like you don't believe that there's anything but software restricted by your EULA links.

I bought lots of Microsoft software under student licenses from the University of Texas. The WinXP I'm running right now is one example. Cost me $5.

And did the seller direct you to the online EULA? I have recently checked out these $5 copies, and not only do they have the standard (non-uni) license, but they look worse than the bootlegs being sold in Walmart parking lots. Is it up to the student to worry about whether a (supposed) trust body is supplying legit software (such as in ls's case)?

I posted the online EULAs to show you that such licenses not only exist but are common, since you repeatedly claimed that this was not true.

And when did I claim that it was not true. I said very few, based on experience. I never said that universities (or "universities", in Devry's case) couldn't have limited licenses.
That still doesn't change the fact that buying it at a store, whatever venue that may be, does not require you to agree to an online contract. Sadly enough, you only have to agree to the contract that you can't see in a shrink-wrapped box.

[adam]

That sounds like you don't believe that there's anything but software restricted by your EULA links.

If you weren't fishing for something to throw back in my face than it wouldn't. Like I said, I linked to Microsoft's standard student licenses. If schools want they can purchase these licenses on behalf of their students, which allows them to sell them to their students at a substantially reduced rate. These versions of software can only be sold to students. Meanwhile the campus software stores still sell whatever retail software they want and they can sell it to anybody. I in fact said that if the original poster bought his software on campus than he either bought retail software or software sold under a student license.

And did the seller direct you to the online EULA?

Once again, the EULA COMES WITH THE SOFTWARE. Its actually more up front than with regular retail software, where you don't agree to the full terms of the EULA until you install it and "click here." You cannot buy the student licensed software until you fill out the EULA with your name, school ID, and your signature saying that you agree to the terms. If you would bother reading MS's licensing page you'd know this. As for the legitimacy of the copies, they are sold by and through the university. If you don't trust them to sell you a genuine product than you probably shouldn't be going to school there. The software is full version. I don't know what else to say. You seem to just be looking for a way to cheapen the whole concept but its really a great deal since the school is purchasing the software for the students and the software they get is every bit as functional as if they bought it at any retail store. And if the student doesn't trust it they can just buy the retail version instead.

Drop it. This has clearly gone well beyond the question that was originally asked. You seem to admit now that such licenses exist and that's all I ever contended.

[ROF]

Drop it. This has clearly gone well beyond the question that was originally asked. You seem to admit now that such licenses exist and that's all I ever contended.

It's kinda interesting Adam. You seem to be saying the same things over and over again to the same person. Even I, stubborn as I am, can admit when I made an error in my line of thinking.

[Supreme2k]

Like I said, I linked to Microsoft's standard student licenses

Which are on a web site, not in the store.

Once again, the EULA COMES WITH THE SOFTWARE.

Which is often different from that which you linked, even for the same (student) version of the software.

You cannot buy the student licensed software until you fill out the EULA with your name, school ID, and your signature saying that you agree to the terms. If you would bother reading MS's licensing page you'd know this.

What school (or any seller) is this? You simply pay and they give you the discs (or package). You never have to fill out some long-winded form. Again, what does a licensing web page have to do with something which I am puchasing over the counter?
Also, I think the system is great, but it doesn't necessarily conform to your standards (or links). Even though I take classes at the college, I have never shown my ID to buy anything. I have even had non-students pick me up stuff there a couple of times, and not on my behalf ("this is for a student who couldn't make it here today."). And this is the way it has been at several colleges.

If you don't trust them to sell you a genuine product than you probably shouldn't be going to school there.

Don't switch it around. You are the one who said that ls got ripped off.




What's with the whole "drop it" attitude? No one is forcing you to post rebuttals to my posts. I, on the other hand, have no problem with you posting, since I can supply alternatives to what you imply are absolutes.
Really, if you don't like my responses that much, don't read the thread anymore. Or at the very least, don't respond.