Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Notification

[bluemoss]

Has anyone ever received The Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Notification? Is this legitimate or what? It just appeared on my pc a few days ago. There is an icon in the notification area (where the clock and date appears).

Thanks
Blue

[redwudz]

See this thread: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1508494&highlight=wga#1508494

[bluemoss]

See this thread: https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1508494&highlight=wga#1508494

But the software that was installed on the computer was not a pirate copy. The software was from a class DeVry gave.

[redwudz]

But the software that was installed on the computer was not a pirate copy. The software was from a class DeVry gave.

Then you should contact DeVry as they supplied the OS software. Or you can contact MicroSoft and see if it's just an error.

[whitejremiah]

i wonder if it wasn't like a buisness licensed copy that they were distributing and gave everyone the same key for it, and someone leaked either the disc in full, or even just the serial for it? If that's the case, that may be the problem...best to ask good ol MS about it though, since unless YOU actually leaked it yourself, you shouldnt be subject to it...

[bluemoss]

Yeah, I'll try to contact DeVry. It's been about two years since the software was installed.

[ROF]

You are licensed to legally use the software while you are enrolled in the class or curriculum. Once you graduate, drop out, or whatever you are not authorized to continue using or to reinstall the software.

Read your EULA to learn more.

[Supreme2k]

Are you saying that you had no operating system on your PC until Devry put it on?
Or did you get your PC from Devry?

ROF, if it was the latter (as I have experieneced), the license doesn't end with the class.

[ROF]

Are you saying that you had no operating system on your PC until Devry put it on?
Or did you get your PC from Devry?

ROF, if it was the latter (as I have experieneced), the license doesn't end with the class.

Some end with the class. Other end when you are no longer a student. In any case, support for your software does not extend beyond your time in school. The EULA will explain this.

[Supreme2k]

Don't go changing your argument like you're doing in the other similar thread. You were not talking about support, you were talking about use.

Either way he would have the right to use it after the class and he would have every right to support in regards to the manufacturer (MS) alleging piracy.

Classes don't work that way. They either have workstations with everything loaded or they give/sell you a lower-priced copy of the class software. It's all about control and accountability. If Devry installed software "for a limited time" (which I know they don't), it would be their responsibility to remove the software once a student graduates/leaves/drops out. They don't say "Please remove the software later. It is illegal for you to have it once you're done here."

Unless the school produced the software, support would come from the manufacturer anyway. Only in this rather odd case would the school (Devry) be accountable.

And bluemoss, let me get this straight: When you say

But the software that was installed on the computer was not a pirate copy.

the "software" in question is Windows XP, right? Or are you asking if another piece of software could cause Windows to produce the nag? (It can't)

[adam]

Those university licenses for students vary in their terms. Usually the student is given the software and license outright once they graduate, but not always. If the student drops out, or if the license term expires before they graduate, then the license almost always terminates. Actually, the student rarely even owns the license until they graduate. The university retains it the whole time. You gotta read your EULA. Just because the copy was valid when Devry gave it to you that doesn't mean the license is still valid today.

[yoda313]

EDIT

[Bjs]

Yes it turned up here ...

Stupid xp pro say's it's registered ... but have to go to catalog.microsoft.com/genuine/purchase/update instruction's.aspx to actually register it ...

Funny how I can phone telco's and ms , and get someone on the phone in less than 2 minute's ... while other's wait on hold .

No wonder people couldn't find that non existing registration icon under start , program's ... xp home dose this .

Ms might kill that off yet ... after it failed on my pc the other day ... still not registered with ms after clean reinstall ... and it aint been back since I let the pc send the crash report .

And I wont be letting it in if it dose come back , they can stuff off after that system crash ... to me it's as bad as nagware / spyware ... utter crap .

[Supreme2k]

Those university licenses for students vary in their terms.

Very few do. Most are just like any software you get anywhere else. It's only if it is given to you by the school that it changes, and rarely even then.

Usually the student is given the software and license outright once they graduate, but not always.
If the student drops out, or if the license term expires before they graduate, then the license almost always terminates.

It doesn't matter if the student drops out.
Also, it doesn't matter what happens if the license term expires, no matter where you are. That's j built into even (regular) retail software.

Actually, the student rarely even owns the license until they graduate. The university retains it the whole time. You gotta read your EULA. Just because the copy was valid when Devry gave it to you that doesn't mean the license is still valid today.

That's why I think that this is a rather odd case, if indeed that is what happened (they installed the software on his PC. Usually, you are asked to purchase the software if you don't use a workstation. Many schools that I have gone to have online software that is never installed, thus eliminating that headache.
If he is talking about Windows XP, that's even stranger. He started a class with a PC without an OS and they installed it for him? Every Devry that I have seen has workstations. They would never touch a student's PC.

Not enough info at this point.

[isogonic]

Read your EULA to learn more.

nobody reads the EULA, they just hit the "I agree"

[adam]

Very few do. Most are just like any software you get anywhere else. It's only if it is given to you by the school that it changes, and rarely even then...It doesn't matter if the student drops out.
Also, it doesn't matter what happens if the license term expires, no matter where you are. That's j built into even (regular) retail software.

I'm sorry but you are very wrong. The licenses do vary quite often from one vendor to the next and from one university to the next, particularly in regards to the very things we are discussing. Some licenses are as you say and are basically treated like a regular retail software license which is just sold at a reduced price since its sold in bulk. Many of these licenses, however, are bought by the university and retained unless and until the student graduates. Most of the contracts are for 3 years and unless it is renewed, the student must graduate during this period or the license is invalidated. Most major universities do buy some form of mass educational license and they do post the license agreements on their websites. If you look some up I think you'll see that there are often continuing obligations that the student must make in order to keep the software.

Here is sample language from the first one I looked up. Its a license for Microsoft software including os'es.
http://mscontract.uc.edu/

You do not own the license; rather you are authorized to use the Software and associated media pursuant to the terms and conditions of the license(s) granted to UC for the term of UC’s Campus Agreement Subscription. You will be required to remove the Software from your personal machine immediately upon the earlier of (a) any event, with the exception of graduation, which causes you no longer to be a student of the University of Cincinnati or (b) expiration of the Campus Agreement Subscription term. Upon graduating from UC, students will own the software.

Since we're talking about Window's operating system take a look at Microsoft's available Academic license.
http://www.microsoft.com/Education/ChooseOption.mspx

You'll see that the licenses all vary in regards to whether there is a perpetual student ownership at all, and whether or not graduation is required.

[Supreme2k]

I'm not sorry, but YOU are very wrong. If the student purchases the software, even from campus, it is no different than the regular retail version, including license. I am always enriching my college education, which has the benefit of letting me get my software much cheaper. The EULA is no different from the package from Fry's or Best Buy.

If you are talking about something that is installed from a single, multi-license disc onto many machines, I'll agree that the terms change. Not many (very, very few) colleges do it that way, though.

To be clear, I'm talking about actual physical software packages (box, disc), not the almost-demoware that you can download (ie. 20 meg version of Photoshop).

Doesn't change the fact that Devry does not install their software that way. They have workstations, but will sometimes suggest students buy a copy of the software.

[adam]

Dude that is a RETAIL license. That's no different than if you bought it at Walmart. Everyone but you is talking about academic licenses. If its, "from a class DeVry gave" than its not a retail license. And its not all installed off the same disc. Every major university purchases bulk licenses for their students. The university has the discs pressed themselves as needed and the students typically just pay for that cost so its usually $5 per disc. By far the most commonly purchased license from MS is the campus license which is identical to the one I posted above. You must graduate within the contract period or your license expires. I can almost guarantee you that this is the license controlling the software mentioned above by bluemoss.

So ok you're not wrong then, you're just in the wrong thread.

[Supreme2k]

If its, "from a class DeVry gave" than its not a retail license.

That still needs clarification. Like I said, Devry does not install software on PCs.

"Everyone but" me? Please.
Most people aren't talking about the same thing, and ROF is on his typical "You're all thieves!!!" jag.

And its not all installed off the same disc. Every major university purchases bulk licenses for their students. The university has the discs pressed themselves as needed and the students typically just pay for that cost so its usually $5 per disc.

Are you sure that you're not referring to the almost-demoware that I mentioned? I have never seen that type of licensing at 12 different universities and 6 states.

Let's just agree to disagree, even though you have yet to think that you're ever the slightest bit uninformed. You have to realize that you're not an authority on everything (a fact that I'll readily admit of myself). That's one of the reasons you made an inadequate mod.

[adam]

That still needs clarification. Like I said, Devry does not install software on PCs.

No but they do sell or give software to students under academic licenses, which is what WE are talking about!

Did you even read the link to Microsoft's academic licenses that I posted? Did you even bother to search some university web sites like I suggested? A 20 sec google search will give you well more examples than you can count. hint.

I'm not claiming to be an authority on this, I'm referring you to THE authority on the matter. But rather than read MS's licensing terms you just choose to agree to disagree, all the while accusing me of being unable to admit mistakes. I've bought software through these licenses at both universities I attended and yes I read the EULA and graduation was a requirement. These volume licenses are widely used among most universities and Microsoft's program in general is extremely well publicized. Unless all of the universities you attended are very small, than I guarantee that I can link you to a copy of THEIR academic license agreement with Microsoft.

I can say with absolute certainty that you are flat out wrong and so could you if you clicked on those links I posted, but instead you choose to resort to low blows and conscious indifference. I'm not saying this because I just always have to be right, I'm saying this because you're talking out of your ass and you know it, and you're being particulary nasty and immature about it to boot. Always a pleasure Supreme2k.

[Supreme2k]

Thanks for proving my point.

Always a waste of time, adam (let's not forget ROF).

[adam]

http://www.chi.devry.edu/MessagetoStudents.html

[otpw1]

I know for a FACT that the educational licenses can be tied to graduation. I have an example in front of me.
That is beside the point of the original post, however. A call to M$ should clear up his problem.

[Supreme2k]

I will concede to the MS restrictions, as I haven't used them in a while (when there weren't such restrictions). I have yet to come across any other software that has those same restrictions. I am using Photoshop, AfterEffects and Norton, to name a few (all from UC Berkely). When I was at Stanford, my Student Edition of VB5 had no such restrictions either.

Suspiciously missing from your Devry list, adam, was WinXP.
I took

But the software that was installed on the computer was not a pirate copy. The software was from a class DeVry gave.

to mean that he didn't install it himself. I stand by my statement that Devry (or any other college) does not install software for you, so that you will be agreeing to any licenses when you install it.

I know for a FACT that the educational licenses can be tied to graduation. I have an example in front of me.

Which I wasn't really arguing. I specifically said that it would be different if it came directly from the school (supported by adam's links). My original response and question was whether he had gotten a PC with XP on it from Devry, since they wouldn't install an OS on a PC, which would be where the Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Notification would come into play. I was trying to get clarification in order to answer the OP, but ROF and adam sidetracked this thread with these weird arguments that don't even address the OP. At all.

That is beside the point of the original post, however. A call to M$ should clear up his problem.

Possibly, but they may refer him back to Devry.


EDIT: Nah. Just split your quote, but forgot to copy your "from".

[otpw1]

@supreme2k

That is beside the point of the original post, however. A call to M$ should clear up his problem.

Multiple windows open perhaps?

[ROF]

Don't go changing your argument like you're doing in the other similar thread. You were not talking about support, you were talking about use.

Really? When was the last time you received an update for software from a authorized source and you called it a usage download and not a support download. Last time I checked the WGA is checked when you perform an update. Which I and most people even those who have limited computing experience call software support not software use. The original poster I would imagine got the notification after downloading from the microsoft "support" page. Can you link to a Microsoft "use" page that provides updates? I have not changed my arguement. Heck I didn't even think I was arguing. I was just telling the original poster that this issue might be tied to a common license agreement used widely throughout universities. I do however stand corrected as it appears DeVry license allows for perpetual licensing.

My recommendation is to call Microsoft: 1-800-785-3448 and explain to them your situation. Have your valid key and any other pertinent information available when calling. Since you are entitled to this software Microsoft will quickly correct the situation.

[Supreme2k]

Really? When was the last time you received an update for software from a authorized source and you called it a usage download and not a support download.

Again, you are switching your argument, as you said this previously

You are licensed to legally use the software while you are enrolled in the class or curriculum.

I have not changed my arguement. Heck I didn't even think I was arguing.

Whenever you have a point of contention, it is an argument. It doesn't have to be two people yelling at each other. You simply made an assertion that may not be true, based on the limited information (you don't know his particular license agreement or EULA). Contrary to what you believe, you weren't "just telling" the OP facts, but arguing what those facts may be.

[ROF]

I have not changed my arguement. Heck I didn't even think I was arguing.

Whenever you have a point of contention, it is an argument. It doesn't have to be two people yelling at each other. You simply made an assertion that may not be true, based on the limited information (you don't know his particular license agreement or EULA). Contrary to what you believe, you weren't "just telling" the OP facts, but arguing what those facts may be.

Exactly! No arguement involved. Is every discussion where there are multiple opposing viewpoints considered an arguement? If so that must be all you do here. Argue nonsense.

My apologies to the original poster. Supreme2K seldom makes sense and usually will nitpick the tiniest portion of a discussion in order to sound important or knowledgeable. When in fact, as in this subject, he has no clue what he is talking about. He still believes that licensing agreements, no matter who writes them, have very few terms. I suspect he also believes that there are no software packages that ever expire once you purchase them. A read of any EULA will prove.

It doesn't matter if the student drops out.
Also, it doesn't matter what happens if the license term expires, no matter where you are. That's j built into even (regular) retail software.

You just gotta laugh!

[Supreme2k]

Exactly! No arguement involved. Is every discussion where there are multiple opposing viewpoints considered an arguement?

Yes.
Take your pick
ar·gu·ment (ärgy-mnt)
n.

1.
a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.
b. A quarrel; a dispute.
2.
a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.
b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.

My apologies...blah frickin'blah

As a colleague once wrote:
Don't make any assumptions about me.
You are stating your opinion as fact just to try to insult me. A quick search through your posts will show very little video related help, but will fully support the view that your opinion is one of "You guys are all thieves! Stop stealing and you won't have any problems!"

It doesn't matter if the student drops out.
Also, it doesn't matter what happens if the license term expires, no matter where you are. That's built into even (regular) retail software.

You just gotta laugh!

I'll explain, to shed some light on your ignorance:
If the license term expires, no matter where you are (college, home work), it has expired. If the term has expired before you graduate/drop out/etc., it has expired nonetheless. If the license is for two years, but it takes you three to complete your course, you have to purchase a new license. The expiration of the license cannot be said to be exclusively tied to the school.

[ROF]

Exactly! No arguement involved. Is every discussion where there are multiple opposing viewpoints considered an arguement?

Yes.
Take your pick
ar·gu·ment (ärgy-mnt)
n.

1.
a. A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate.
b. A quarrel; a dispute.
2.
a. A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood: presented a careful argument for extraterrestrial life.
b. A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence; a reason: The current low mortgage rates are an argument for buying a house now.

That explains it. You are a googler who reads a piece of information on the net and assumes it's a fact. Good show.

My apologies...blah frickin'blah

As a colleague once wrote:
Don't make any assumptions about me.
You are stating your opinion as fact just to try to insult me. A quick search through your posts will show very little video related help, but will fully support the view that your opinion is one of "You guys are all thieves! Stop stealing and you won't have any problems!"

Really? Let's look at how many times you've told off people here and we can see that your attitude is "I am always right and the person who is trying to help someone is always wrong." This is how you usually enter a topic. You do not answer the Original Posters question. You simply join a conversation to argue trivial stuff with usually something about others "sidetracking a topic" when in fact your ignorance of even your own posting sidetrack something completely.

Did you offer any advice to the original poster? Have you even offered any help? Some of us here(myself included) have offered advice, asked questions or offered opinions on known EULA university licenses(something you still seem to believe does not exist), and have offered solutions. You have offered NADA to the OP!

It doesn't matter if the student drops out.
Also, it doesn't matter what happens if the license term expires, no matter where you are. That's built into even (regular) retail software.

You just gotta laugh!

I'll explain, to shed some light on your ignorance:
If the license term expires, no matter where you are (college, home work), it has expired. If the term has expired before you graduate/drop out/etc., it has expired nonetheless. If the license is for two years, but it takes you three to complete your course, you have to purchase a new license. The expiration of the license cannot be said to be exclusively tied to the school.

I thought you said university licenses are no different than the license you purchase at Walmart? Are you now changing your thoughts midstream? When I purchase Visio at Walmart I am able to use it for the life of my software package on a single machine at a time. I can reinstall it anywhere I want but can only use it on one machine. Read a university license for Visio and you will see several difference. (ie. Ability to install on multiple machines so long as the main user of said machine is the student, expires when student graduates, etc.) If you still believe that a retail license and a university license are the same thing I fail to see why I am discussing this. You obviously live in some warped reality where all licensing agreements say the same thing. WOW! I wish that were true. I could fly 757's with my driver's license.