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  1. I am not claiming this to be a lossless type of format but I believe sharing this information with others may be useful, all Im trying to do is share so please no flames thanks.

    Well heres the story.
    I got Mothman Prophecies in AVI downloaded from the net. And since it has pretty poor quality as they usually do I didnt really feel like wasting 2 cds on it, so I started experimenting with various settings. I managed to fit the whole movie onto a 74min CD with room to spare lol.

    I got no idea if these settings are the same used on CVCD and Sefys template, I didnt really check, and for those that will say I stole this I dont give a damn.

    The settings I used in TMPG was -
    Loaded VCD PAL template and the UNLOCK template.
    Under the System tab I changed the Stream Type to MPEG-1 SYSTEM VBR.
    Rate Control mode set to CQ_VBR (Automatic VBR), on the 'quality' slider bar I set it to 20. Max bitrate 1000, min bitrate 500. Under Audio changed it to 128kbps.
    (also under the Quantisize Matrix tab you might wanna use the Soften Block Noise option maybe.)
    (also when you go to burn it, before doing that de/multiplex them and then join them as a Nonstandard VCD using TMPG, also untick standard compliant cd when burning with Nero.)
    And there you have it, easy as.


    This is perfect for those users that download movies off the net, I have not yet tried using a DVD ripped source but I am guessing it wouldnt look decent enough.

    I have sent a 1min sample of the video to truman and hopefully he will be uploading it some where soon, so check him for a sample. It is 5.84mb.
    This method managed to keep all the quality(or the lack there of) of the original AVI file. But give this method a go, see if you like it and have a fiddle with the settings if ya must.

    Good Luck
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  2. just went to send sample to truman but my mail server gives an error about file too big blah blah... anyone got an FTP?
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  3. Just tried out using a DVD source, looks pretty decent. Id say if you wanted to fit a full movie onto a CD this is your best bet, it looks pretty damn good, bareable enough for me.
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  4. am I the only one that cares here?
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    My tripod account is down until Wednesday. But I would like to check it as soon as possible. If you dont mind, try it once again to email me. Use winrar or winzip to compress (well the filesize wont get much smaller) and split to smaller pieces.
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  6. Sample clips and a copy of my home brewed template have just been sent to Truman. Shouldnt be long now.

    Feel free to tweak the templates, right now they are setup to fit about 2hours onto 1 CD. So you can improve that if ya want.
    feel free to email me.
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    we'll wait the master analyze..
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    Here it is:
    http://galileo.spaceports.com/~truman/
    Was it a downloaded source or DVD?
    Did you use any filters and which TMPG version did you use?
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  9. I maded CVCD, and thats the idea. A mpeg-1/mpeg-2 video, with variable bitrate on an unstandard VCD (XVCD) or a SVCD (depends on the DVD player, some DVDs works fine with XVCD, others with SVCD). The idea is fully described at http://www.vcdsp.com/ (warning: spanish). Depends on the movie length I tipically have used 1150-300 bitrate and 100% quality for a 90 minuts movie. Besides the "Automatic VBR" setting I have used "2-pass VBR", more slow but better quality. For those people on this forum that doesnt know this format please, give it a try. You dont have dissapointed ... Good luck.
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  10. this is good. I'm installing a new 6.8" TV(LCD) system in my minivan for the kids. I've been renting and recording cartoons off of TV to get copies of them. With such a small screen the lesser quality wont hurt much. This will make it very easy for me to get lots of video onto one disk so I don't have to change it out as much.

    thanks
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  11. Originally Posted by reddragon72
    this is good. I'm installing a new 6.8" TV(LCD) system in my minivan for the kids. I've been renting and recording cartoons off of TV to get copies of them. With such a small screen the lesser quality wont hurt much. This will make it very easy for me to get lots of video onto one disk so I don't have to change it out as much.

    thanks
    hey no problem, this is why I decided to share this idea with everyone, with the templates they are right now configured to fit OVER 2 hours of Video on 1 74min CD. But you can change the quality higher if your movie is less than 2 hours, so its all good. good luck people.
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  12. Originally Posted by Truman
    Here it is:
    http://galileo.spaceports.com/~truman/
    Was it a downloaded source or DVD?
    Did you use any filters and which TMPG version did you use?
    I was using TMPG version 2.02 or something. Didnt use any filters, and Memento was downloaded as a DVD rip DivX. The movie running 1hours, 53 minutes converted = 595mb, so I my template can still get more quality.

    I really hope people like this method ..
    And people stop emailing me asking me for pirated movies lol.
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    cybermage 26--
    Nice template! The sample encode you did looks pretty good, all things considered. . especially considering your source was a DivX rip. Oh, and I must commend you for being realistic about the quality of the final encode. It humours me to keep on seeing all these crap posts for templates such as "245 minutes, no loss in quality!!!" This template provides a nice-looking picture on a smaller screen, especially in windows media player. Now I'll have to do a "real" DVD rip with it and see how it performs. Thanks!
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  14. Originally Posted by videoguy79
    Now I'll have to do a "real" DVD rip with it and see how it performs. Thanks!
    Thanks for the feedback, I wanna see if Baldrick will post this template in the tools section. Just remember before going to burn it you must de/remultiplex(use TMPG) this as a nonstandard vcd and then burn as a nonstandard vcd in nero.

    also raise the quality a little higher if your movie is less than 2 hours. I guess its hard to tell the output size of the file though hehe, well good luck and tell us all how you go ..
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    cybermage, you do not need to de- / remux. Just change the stream type to MPEG-1 VCD(non-standard) at the system tab.
    However, I think there is nothing special. There are several ways to tweak the template at the same bitrate. 2pass VBR, denoise the source, maybe different GOP structure and quantize matrix. But the source (1:53=595MB) is quite heavy compressed, so I dont have much hope.
    Anyway, thank you cybermage26, I will do some tests with that low bitrates too.
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  16. The results look pretty good(when viewed on a TV thruw the DVD player) when using a DivX as the source, i'll try a DVD next.

    I like the speed on this one too.
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  17. Nice one there mate :)

    Thanks for sharing us that :)
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  18. I'm impressed at the quality i got from the sample... the sound's a bit metalic but tolerable...
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  19. I burned the sample of memento and it worked fine on my dvd player, but my own encodings are not working. I have tried encoding my own movies using the templates from http://galileo.spaceports.com/~truman/ but with no luck. I loaded the templates up and before burning de/remultiplexed the movie as a non-standard vcd. The movie plays but it is all messed up. Is there a vital step that I might be missing?
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  20. hmm thats a little strange Lepy..?

    But thanks for all the positive feedback guys. I threw it together in like an hour of experimentation hehe .. and Sean Madison keeps talking about how he has been experimenting to make a great template for over 2 years.

    But yeah, have fun.
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  21. Do you have any ideas of what could be happening? I am really interested in this. I'll keep trying to see if I can get it.
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  22. Bitchin' template! On my pc it almost encodes in realtime and the picture is not too shabby. I would use this template for vids that my computer illiterate friends can watch on their computers. It's no replacement for divx but it certainly has a place in my video-making toolbox and I thank you for sharing it with us! :P
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  23. Originally Posted by Lepy
    Do you have any ideas of what could be happening? I am really interested in this. I'll keep trying to see if I can get it.
    did you try burning the Video CD as a NonStandard VCD with nero? Unchecking the compliancy box?

    And thanks for the positive feedback YngwieJM hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
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  24. its pretty funny how ya guys make a xvcd basically....and call it "my new technique"....thanks for your low bitrate xvcd method....but i dont think im too concerned about gettin the whole movie on 1 cd-r seeing as they cost next to nothing nowadays....not to mention the quality would be superb on all monitors and tv's rather than a 6.5 inch screen...low bitrate crap vcd guides would have been useful in the days of asf and 1.50$ cd-r's...but this is simply a pitiful attempt by a lamer to make some amazing format..which in fact..is nothing but low bitrate crap...dummies...
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  25. I think you're being a bit harsh. Yes I just bought a boadload of disks for pennies each. That isn't the point for some.

    Some people want to minimize disc changes or the amount of plastic they haul on a plane.

    Some, like in one of the posts, want to minimize the bits they send to friends.

    Before you flame people for making a new xvcd see why they are doing it.
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  26. Originally Posted by plg-tae
    its pretty funny how ya guys make a xvcd basically....and call it "my new technique"....thanks for your low bitrate xvcd method....but i dont think im too concerned about gettin the whole movie on 1 cd-r seeing as they cost next to nothing nowadays....not to mention the quality would be superb on all monitors and tv's rather than a 6.5 inch screen...low bitrate crap vcd guides would have been useful in the days of asf and 1.50$ cd-r's...but this is simply a pitiful attempt by a lamer to make some amazing format..which in fact..is nothing but low bitrate crap...dummies...
    Very harsh indeed. I am not saying that this is MY OWN brand new technique at all. I am just simply sharing my succesful choice of settings in TMPG with others that are interested in fitting an entire movie onto 1 CD. If you belive that CDs are so cheap and you arent interested in fitting movies onto a single cd may I ask why you decided to read a thread labelled exactly that? Because you wanted to flame others that are trying to help out other people by providing templates?

    No my friend, it is you that is the lame one. Many people have emailed my and thanked me for creating this template. If you dont like the quality on this template, I stated in my original post, I dont care, but many other people arent as worried about quality as you might be and that is exactly why I made this template..

    Some one tries to do a good thing and still gets flamed, depressing.
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  27. http://www.vcdhelp.com/phpBB/search.php?search_author=plg-tae&showresults=posts

    wow, I just went through plg-tae's previous posts, and it turns out that nearly 100% of them are negative, constantly calling peoples lamers, morons, homos ...
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  28. cybermage26, ignore that post.

    anyhow, got a question for you, I tried this template and this is the best i have tried so far however, I am having some sound troubles.

    The video quality is excellent on my pc and tv however, in both tv and pc, these audio crackles is happening or some pops on it. I dont understand why :(

    Anyhow, How i did it is, I used DVDx and tmpgenc following the DVD rip guide in there. So guide went well and in tmpgenc, i just chose your template and encoding goes perfect. Everything went well except this sound :(

    Any suggestion?
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  29. Dude check whether your dvd can handle vcds with 48000Hz instead of downsampling it to 44100. I find that this sounds a million times better. Also are you running it through an external encoder like Toolame???
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  30. No I am not running any external encoder.

    I am not sure if my VCD accpets that 48hz but it never had any problems with playing any ripped dvds to svcds.

    Anyhow, i think it might be DVDx and tmpgenc causing this sound problems??? Not certain but I am just guessing that it is. As I tried to capture a shor tv clip into mpg using ati then reencode using his template and i never got any problems with the sounds.

    I just hope it would work because DVDx and tmpgenc makes a one easy solution to tip DVDs to VCDs. Of course I use DVD2SVCD when ripping to DVDs.

    I really wonder whats causing this :(
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