Converter settings for converting FRAPS video

[Dante4]

I used MyGUI with setting
x264 program --preset placebo --tune film --crf 16 --output "output" "input" on 1.15GB video file (FRAPS recorder) and got 36.9 MB video file as output, but i got two problem. First video becoming less smooth and quality really drop. I don't need that much deacrese in file size, so can someone advice what settings i should use or what converter?
P.S. Sorry i wasn't able to find spoiler tag
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Original

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Mediainfo of Original file
Original MediaInfo.txt

[KarMa]

Use a lower CRF. A CRF of 0 is lossless but I would not recommend as the file will probably be bigger than your source. Maybe try CRF 10-14.

[jagabo]

You're always going to get DCT ringing artifacts like that with DCT based codecs. You might get a little less at a lower CRF. At CRF=0 (if your encoder allows it) you will get lossless encoding but you'll also get very little compression and few devices outside a computer will play it.

[Dante4]

You're always going to get DCT ringing artifacts like that with DCT based codecs. You might get a little less at a lower CRF. At CRF=0 (if your encoder allows it) you will get lossless encoding but you'll also get very little compression and few devices outside a computer will play it.

Thanks for answer that helped with quality problem (Not ideal, but for detect quality drop you actually need to look in frame)




but now i got green screen as the last frame in video, this is normal for video converted with this settings?

[jagabo]

Regarding the changes in the image: it looks like you're using a debanding filter that's dithering. That's the cause of the change in the "out" image.

You shouldn't be getting a green frame at the end of the video. How are you viewing it and exporting the screen shot? The problem is probably there, not the video itself.

Another thing you can do to improve quality is disable b-frames, --bframes=0.

[Dante4]

Regarding the changes in the image: it looks like you're using a debanding filter that's dithering. That's the cause of the change in the "out" image.

You shouldn't be getting a green frame at the end of the video. How are you viewing it and exporting the screen shot? The problem is probably there, not the video itself.

Another thing you can do to improve quality is disable b-frames, --bframes=0.

So, for better quality i should use another filter?

I'm using PotPlayer.

Thanks, will do

[Dante4]

Still i have problem with one video. I converted this video using this settings
program --preset placebo --tune film --crf 0 --bframes 0 --scenecut 100 --output "output" "input"
And other like
program --preset placebo --tune film --crf 0 --bframes 0 --output "output" "input"
And this always result in some lag in video in original this look ok, but in converted video looks like i recorded lagging game.
In the case someone can check this there links to video
http://dropmefiles.com/BEwqP (Still uploading)
And there converted video (There no lagging in original video)
https://youtu.be/JLkxrUHqNvA

[poisondeathray]

Still i have problem with one video. I converted this video using this settings
program --preset placebo --tune film --crf 0 --bframes 0 --scenecut 100 --output "output" "input"
And other like
program --preset placebo --tune film --crf 0 --bframes 0 --output "output" "input"
And this always result in some lag in video in original this look ok, but in converted video looks like i recorded lagging game.
In the case someone can check this there links to video
http://dropmefiles.com/BEwqP (Still uploading)
And there converted video (There no lagging in original video)
https://youtu.be/JLkxrUHqNvA

This youtube video has duplicate frames. Do everyone a favor and just direct stream copy / cut with vdub the first 10 seconds corresponding to that same fireworks section at the beginning. That's all that is required. You don't need to upload 8GB, and I doubt anyone is going to download that file to check it (too large)

[Dante4]

This youtube video has duplicate frames. Do everyone a favor and just direct stream copy / cut with vdub the first 10 seconds corresponding to that same fireworks section at the beginning. That's all that is required. You don't need to upload 8GB, and I doubt anyone is going to download that file to check it (too large)

Roger.
Here first 7 sec (10 sec was about 1.2 Gb) videofile
https://yadi.sk/i/DuKv0r8kszPh5 (If you want to download, click "Скачать")

There avi file on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoV_gzxwajU

[jagabo]

Yes, the youtube video is full of duplicates in no particular pattern. Sometimes none, sometimes as many as five in a row. That's why it's jerky.

[Dante4]

Added link for 7 sec avi file

[poisondeathray]

The problem is in your source (duplicate frames). Open the avi in vdub and use the arrow key to step frame by frame and you will see duplicates

Maybe your game is dropping frames (low FPS, bad graphics card), or maybe your system cannot handle recording fraps

[Dante4]

The problem is in your source (duplicate frames). Open the avi in vdub and use the arrow key to step frame by frame and you will see duplicates

Maybe your game is dropping frames (low FPS, bad graphics card), or maybe your system cannot handle recording fraps

Then why when i watch avi video i can't see THAT much lag?

[poisondeathray]

The problem is in your source (duplicate frames). Open the avi in vdub and use the arrow key to step frame by frame and you will see duplicates

Maybe your game is dropping frames (low FPS, bad graphics card), or maybe your system cannot handle recording fraps

Then why when i watch avi video i can't see THAT much lag?

Do you mean watching the AVI locally vs. x264 encoded video ? What software ? Try another player. It could be a player setting, some configuration issue

IF you meant on youtube, it might be that your browser settings are not ideal for playback. It could be flash or html5 player settings, GPU settings, bad browser version or plugin version, GPU on vs. off , any number of things

[Dante4]

Do you mean watching the AVI locally vs. x264 encoded video ? What software ? Try another player. It could be a player setting, some configuration issue

IF you meant on youtube, it might be that your browser settings are not ideal for playback. It could be flash or html5 player settings, GPU settings, bad browser version or plugin version, GPU on vs. off , any number of things

Yeah, i meant locally.
Software: PotPlayer.
Sorry if i'm rude, but i'm not that dumb to think that youtube showing original video. I just used youtube for example, because in his version of avi there was much less lag then in x264 version
Also this happen only in this video with fireworks. Another video (from where i took screenshot that in first post) looks normally

[poisondeathray]

Well take your 779MB "swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.avi" sample and put it through megui or whatever process you normally use and upload the result if it's more "laggy" than the source to your eyes. It might be megui is doing some other strange other things. It should be the same, theoretically

But can you see the duplicates in the source in vdub ?

Did you try another player? maybe a buggy potplayer build. Try mpchc

[Dante4]

Well take your 779MB "swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.avi" sample and put it through megui or whatever process you normally use and upload the result if it's more "laggy" than the source to your eyes. It might be megui is doing some other strange other things. It should be the same, theoretically

But can you see the duplicates in the source in vdub ?

Did you try another player? maybe a buggy potplayer build. Try mpchc

Actually... I got one problem. I can't convert 779MB using MeGUI.
"Your AviSynth clip has the following problem:
Error in AviSynth script:
TDecimate: YV12 and YUY2 colorspaces only!"
that what he telling me. Line 6 in scripts: "TDecimate(cycleR=2)". Still i can see this lags after converting orignal video (8gb).
In Vdub... duplicates.. If you mean same frames then yes. They exist in original
Bug that shows up only in video with differents settings? Hard to believe, but i will try another player.

[poisondeathray]

If you wanted it exactly the same as the original AVI (keep all the frames, even the duplicates), then you shouldn't be using tdecimate .

If this is for PC playback only and you don't care about filesize, you should encode using RGB (full color). YV12 will subsample the chroma (4:2:0) . But RGB mode is very inefficient to encode for x264

Post the script that megui is making for you or post the megui log

[Dante4]

If you wanted it exactly the same as the original AVI (keep all the frames, even the duplicates), then you shouldn't be using tdecimate .

If this is for PC playback only and you don't care about filesize, you should encode using RGB (full color). YV12 will subsample the chroma (4:2:0) . But RGB mode is very inefficient to encode for x264

Post the script that megui is making for you or post the megui log

This only when i converting 7XX mb files. When i convert full video there no tdecimate in script.
MeGUI creating this scrtipt when i'm trying to convert full video
global MeGUI_darx = 8
global MeGUI_dary = 5
LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\lsmash\LSMASHS ource.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("L:\SWTOR Old\55y5cgtf.3oy\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.mkv")
#Not enough useful sections for source detection. Doing no processing
#crop
#resize
#denoise

I'm using One Click Encoder, this is right way to do it, right?

[poisondeathray]

This only when i converting 7XX mb files. When i convert full video there no tdecimate in script.
MeGUI creating this scrtipt when i'm trying to convert full video
global MeGUI_darx = 8
global MeGUI_dary = 5
LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\lsmash\LSMASHS ource.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("L:\SWTOR Old\55y5cgtf.3oy\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.mkv")
#Not enough useful sections for source detection. Doing no processing
#crop
#resize
#denoise

I'm using One Click Encoder, this is right way to do it, right?

Why is this a mkv?

If LWLibavVideoSource is decoding correctly, you should get the same frames as the original. The playback should be the same

There should be any megui darx, dary AR commands if you wanted to encode it same as the original square pixel 1440x900 16:10



If I were you, I would address fixing the original first, either game itself or recording

[Dante4]

This only when i converting 7XX mb files. When i convert full video there no tdecimate in script.
MeGUI creating this scrtipt when i'm trying to convert full video
global MeGUI_darx = 8
global MeGUI_dary = 5
LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\lsmash\LSMASHS ource.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("L:\SWTOR Old\55y5cgtf.3oy\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.mkv")
#Not enough useful sections for source detection. Doing no processing
#crop
#resize
#denoise

I'm using One Click Encoder, this is right way to do it, right?

Why is this a mkv?

If LWLibavVideoSource is decoding correctly, you should get the same frames as the original. The playback should be the same

There should be any megui darx, dary AR commands if you wanted to encode it same as the original square pixel 1440x900 16:10



If I were you, I would address fixing the original first, either game itself or recording

Good question. MeGUI extracting video to mkv format.
But it not same
So i need to change script or there some settings inside MeGUI that can do it?
In file name there date when i recorder this. So i only have avi file that weighs 8 Gb and want to get 1-3 Gb video file without lag...

[poisondeathray]

You're recording in fraps RGB mode. There is no reason to use LWLibavVideoSource. It will be slower because it will have to index the file, it will be slower if it extracting or re-wrapping the file in mkv

I would use AVISource("video.avi") using the fraps decoder directly on the original file (disable fraps in ffdshow vfw configuration if you have it installed). That's it. Same as original frames

If you wanted to encode RGB you have to probably fine the checkbox or add --input-csp rgb --output-csp rgb in the extra commandline box. I haven't really used megui in a few years. x264 using RGB will only be supported for computer playback. Typically devices won't support it, unless they use a software decoding method. So if you're planning other uses, I would convert it to the normal 4:2:0. In that case it would look like

AVISource("video.avi")
ConvertToYV12(matrix="rec709")

and you wouldn't need to add the other commands for RGB

[poisondeathray]

And the video you uploaded wasn't fraps, it was decompressed by vdub to uncompressed 8bit RGB

You should have used video=>direct stream copy in vdub. You probably had it on video=>full processing mode

So maybe you aren't recording fraps RGB mode

Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 780 MiB
Duration : 7s 0ms
Overall bit rate : 935 Mbps
Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release

Video
ID : 0
Format : RGB
Codec ID : 0x00000000
Codec ID/Info : Basic Windows bitmap format. 1, 4 and 8 bpp versions are palettised. 16, 24 and 32bpp contain raw RGB samples
Duration : 7s 0ms
Bit rate : 933 Mbps
Width : 1 440 pixels
Height : 900 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:10
Frame rate : 30.000 fps
Bit depth : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 24.000
Stream size : 779 MiB (100%)

[Dante4]

And the video you uploaded wasn't fraps, it was decompressed by vdub to uncompressed 8bit RGB

You should have used video=>direct stream copy in vdub. You probably had it on video=>full processing mode

So maybe you aren't recording fraps RGB mode

Ok...This is strange. Because i realy used Direct Stream Copy in video in VDUB... Anyway my bad. I don't know why, but VDUB changed file. There right copy

https://yadi.sk/i/Hs4qEtUYszZnL
And this is output
https://yadi.sk/i/UmWQA5rnszaBT

[poisondeathray]

well look at the 12 fps framerate, so you've decimated the frames 210 (with duplicates) vs. 84 (also with duplicates and drops)

The levels are also messed up, and you used 10bit encoding , not sure if that was intentional

[Dante4]

well look at the 12 fps framerate, so you've decimated the frames 210 (with duplicates) vs. 84 (also with duplicates and drops)

The levels are also messed up, and you used 10bit encoding , not sure if that was intentional

I guess more accidentally then intentional... And yeah... 12 fps is strange...that also explains why in other video everything is normal...yeah i'm stupid enough to not check framerate ..thanks...but i got one more question...how i can fix it?

[poisondeathray]

Just erase the tdecimate line you had earlier, that will fix it . I have no idea why megui would have added it for one video

Did you notice the contrast was different? For example,some of shadow detail is crushed. The levels (if you want it to look the same as the original), should use "TV" levels.

If you use LWLibavVideoSource(), it will decode fraps as full range YUV. So you need to add something to bring the levels back to normal range y=16 to 235

You could use smoothlevels, for example. It's preferred to plain levels or coloryuv because it dithers (less banding)

So it would look something like this

LWLibavVideoSource()
SmoothLevels(preset="PC2TV")

But beware some versions of LSmash have problems with fraps, it might decode out of order. Same with some versions of FFMS2. They are still preferred to AVISource for the non RGB version of fraps if your goal was YV12 4:2:0 "normal" video encoding. There will be less quality loss then decoding RGB and going back to YV12

[Dante4]

Just erase the tdecimate line you had earlier, that will fix it . I have no idea why megui would have added it for one video
Did you notice the contrast was different? For example,some of shadow detail is crushed. The levels (if you want it to look the same as the original), should use "TV" levels.
If you use LWLibavVideoSource(), it will decode fraps as full range YUV. So you need to add something to bring the levels back to normal range y=16 to 235
You could use smoothlevels, for example. It's preferred to plain levels or coloryuv because it dithers (less banding)
So it would look something like this

LWLibavVideoSource()
SmoothLevels(preset="PC2TV")

But beware some versions of LSmash have problems with fraps, it might decode out of order. Same with some versions of FFMS2. They are still preferred to AVISource for the non RGB version of fraps if your goal was YV12 4:2:0 "normal" video encoding. There will be less quality loss then decoding RGB and going back to YV12

I don't have "tdecimate" in script file, this line was in wrong avi file that VDUB created because of strange settings.
For someone who never used that kind of settings, i need to input this lines in created script files, right?

LWLibavVideoSource()
SmoothLevels(preset="PC2TV")

Basically script will look like this, right?

global MeGUI_darx = 8
global MeGUI_dary = 5
LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\lsmash\LSMASHS ource.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("FILE_PATH")
SmoothLevels(preset="PC2TV")
#Not enough useful sections for source detection. Doing no processing
#crop
#resize
#denoise

[poisondeathray]

take out the global lines. You can erase them or add a "#" in front

#global MeGUI_darx = 8
#global MeGUI_dary = 5

Smoothlevels is 3rd party plugin, it might have to be loaded separately if you don't already have it in your plugins folder it's smoothadjust.dll

The "FILE_PATH" is the actual path and name of the video

e.g it might look like this
LWLibavVideoSource("L:\SWTOR Old\55y5cgtf.3oy\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.avi")

[Dante4]

take out the global lines. You can erase them or add a "#" in front

#global MeGUI_darx = 8
#global MeGUI_dary = 5

Smoothlevels is 3rd party plugin, it might have to be loaded separately if you don't already have it in your plugins folder it's smoothadjust.dll

The "FILE_PATH" is the actual path and name of the video

e.g it might look like this
LWLibavVideoSource("L:\SWTOR Old\55y5cgtf.3oy\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81.avi")

Ok...
Now script file looks like this

LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\avisynth_plugi n\SmoothAdjust.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\MeGUI_2624_x86\tools\lsmash\LSMASHS ource.dll")
LWLibavVideoSource("C:\Users\Admin\Desktop\swtor 2012-12-25 20-46-52-81 7 sec.avi")
SmoothLevels(preset="pc2tv")
#deinterlace
#crop
#resize
#denoise

And i got this
https://yadi.sk/i/sN8mNqd5szisE
I'm totally lost...