Help with burned DVD's skipping

[BDrums1971]

(edit)Please read my post all the way through before replying. And if you're going to be a condescending jerk like Noahtuck, don't even bother posting.

Ok, I'm going crazy. I need your help. I have been burning DVD's for years, and, am not a noob at this. BUT, I have a problem. When I go to play a DVD in my standalone that I have previously burned, alot of the time towards the end of the movie, I start getting blocking and choppy play, to where I can't watch it. If I take that DVD, and put it in my computer's DVD drive, it reads fine!! So what I have done, is use DVDecrypter to rip it, and then burn a new DVD, and then it works fine on my standalone.

I am getting really tired of doing this. What I have done to try to remedy this, is I make sure to shrink the movies so they don't burn all the way to the edge of the DVD. I have updated my burner firmware. I have bought Taiyo Yuden blanks. I handle and store the burned DVD's with care. I have cleaned the standalone player with a laser cleaning disc. What am I doing wrong?

I author and burn my DVD's using TMPGEnc, and my burner is a Pioneer DVR112D. I have had it for a while. My standalone is a JVC that is supposed to play DVD-R, DVD+R, DVDRW, and more, although it is older as well. BTW, it plays store bought DVD's with no problem whatsoever.

One more thing. I have put DVD paper labels on my DVD's, but made sure they were perfectly centered, so I doubt that is the problem. And if it is the standalone, why does it play just fine over halfway through a DVD before skipping. And why, after ripping and reburning the DVD, does it play fine? When a burned DVD skips in my standalone, I inspect it carefully , and can see no signs of scratching or damage. Please help!!

[BDrums1971]

By the way, I have tried burning at lower speeds. TMPGEnc's lowest setting for DVD's is 4x, so that is what I have been using.

[Kerry56]

Try burning with something other than TMPGenc. I suggest using ImgBurn for this. It is a free burning program, very well respected.

If those are 16x Taiyo Yuden blank dvds, try burning at 8x. Slower is not always better.

Also, stop using paper labels. They have been known to cause problems over time with burned media.

[BDrums1971]

You really think burning with TMPGEnc might be the problem? Hmmm.... BTW, I have tried burning at higher speeds, and went down to 4x because of the above issues. I have stopped using paper labels now.

Quick question. What is the difference between burning software? Don't they all do basically the same thing? Or are some better than others? Kinda confused on this. I already have IMGBurn on my computer, so I guess i can try that. I really like the Authoring that TMPGEnc offers, though. Guess I could author with TMPGEnc, and burn with ImgBurn.

[hech54]

Crap discs with stick-on labels NOT burned with ImgBurn.....that is your only problem.

[Noahtuck]

When I go to play a DVD in my standalone that I have previously burned, alot of the time towards the end of the movie, I start getting blocking and choppy play, to where I can't watch it.

A classic sign of crappy media.

So what I have done, is use DVDecrypter to rip it, and then burn a new DVD, and then it works fine on my standalone.

Crappy media can play fine the first week and a year or two later be completely unplayable or un-rippable.
I have tested crappy media years ago and it played choppy and blocky right after burning.

I have bought Taiyo Yuden blanks.

You have bought TY disc's for the new burns ?

I have cleaned the standalone player with a laser cleaning disc.

They are ALL garbage!!!
I have had players go whacky and not play even store bought pressed dvd's and after taking them apart and physically cleaning the laser lens, they then worked perfectly.
But you must do it correctly or you can scratch the lens and basically wreck it permanently.

You say what you "author" your dvd's with, but what do you "burn" them with ?
"Authoring" and "Burning" are 2 VERY different things!!!!!!

One more thing. I have put DVD paper labels on my DVD's, but made sure they were perfectly centered, so I doubt that is the problem.

LMAO!!!!!
That is probably the one WORST thing you can do!!!!!

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/343507-Putting-paper-labels-on-DVDs?highlight=sticky+labels

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/85455-Sticky-labels-can-screwup-the-playback-of-your-DVDR-s

I learned that many many years ago!!!!
After about a year or so disc's would not play or rip, i would soak them in warm water, remove the label, clean them with some goo gone and they would play and rip fine!!

But i also had some crappy media, CDR & DVDR, from 8+ years ago that just went bad and could not be read or ripped regardless of what you try.

A little common sense and looking at what you are specifically doing, can answer a lot of things.

And more specific details could help, maybe you should have read more over the "years"

I have been burning DVD's for years, and, am not a noob at this.

Just from the things you have said you have done and the lack of specifics you have given, just screams "noob"

[robjv1]

Not all burning software is the same, just in the same way that not all authoring software is the same. They all perform the same basic task, but some of them do it much better. Most problems with skipping discs are due to bad quality discs, linked to a wonky authoring program or a subpar burning program and sometimes due to labels.

[yoda313]

If you must continue to use up this particular batch of blank discs until you can get better quality discs try this:

don't encode the video to fit the full size of the disc.

It's been reported many times on this website that the ends of cheap discs can be the biggest trouble spot. So target less than a full size of a dvdr to TRY to limit this potential outcome.

But your best bet is to acquire better media and DO NOT PUT LABELS ON THEM.

Either get printable discs and a printer that can print on them OR simply use a sharpie.

[BDrums1971]

Thanks for the replies. I wish you would read my whole post all the way through before commenting. Noahtuck, you're reply made you sound like a first grade a**hole!!!!!!!! You obviously didn't even read my post properly.

As to the other replies, thank you! Before buying blank DVD's, I researched heavily for what is considered the best quality brand, and Taiyo Yuden came highly recommended. So, am I wrong about that? Or, are you just saying I might have gotten a bad batch?

As far as the labels go, I have done quite a fair amount of research on this, and what I gathered from my research is that paper labels, if centered properly, should be ok. I know there has been a fair amount of debate on this, but maybe I am wrong, and the labels have to go. That's fine.

As far as the authoring. Is it a problem that I use TMPGEnc to author my dvd's? I have been burning the authored discs with TMPGEnc, but do you think I would be ok to author in TMPGEnc, and burn with IMGBURN?

One more question. Nobody has answered my one burning question. WHY do the burned dvd's that skip and malfunction in the standalone, work perfectly in my computer's dvd drive? I can't figure that one out. Thanks for your help!!!

[yoda313]

Computer dvd drives seem to be more tolerant than settop players. Don't know the technical reasons behind it.

[BDrums1971]

Thanks Yoda!

Just so you all know, I am not an idiot. I did ALOT of research on this problem before I finally decided to post here. I could not find a good answer anywhere to my specific problem. I hate to have to ask for help, but I really need it, and I thought that's what these forums were for. I'm not some noob idiot who is clueless, so a little respect is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! I appreciate your time.

[Kerry56]

The TY disks should be good. I prefer their 8x +R disks over their 16x varieties, but any of them should be fine.

I doubt the problem is in the way TMPGenc is authoring the disks. Skipping is generally a sign of media issues...burning too fast or too slow, poor support in the firmware of the drive for those particular disks, etc. The Pioneer 112 is a good burner, if a bit old now, and your choice of media is good. It may simply come down to a picky stand alone dvd player. Some are not particularly good readers.

And yes, stop using paper labels. We've had too many examples over the years where paper labels caused problems to recommend using them, or let anyone come through without warning them about this.

[Noahtuck]

condescending jerk ?

I was just pointing out all the problems....

Everything i replied to, that YOU said you did yourself, is 100% correct.

By all means keep burning with some crap software and by all means keep putting on those sticky paper labels!!!
Idiot noobs!!

If you're too stupid to just read them instead of being a thin skinned 12 year old girl......

Good luck......



P.S.
Make sure to always use high quality media like MEMOREX!!

[aedipuss]

(edit)Please read my post all the way through before replying. And if you're going to be a condescending jerk like Noahtuck, don't even bother posting.

stupid noob you don't get to pick and choose who responds on an open forum. you're just lucky noahtuck bit you before i got a hold of your post.

and by the way not all media labeled "taiyo yuden" is good. their "valueline" branded media is total crap.

[robjv1]

Geez, people are getting bent out of shape in here.

The point about Taiyo Yuden is good though -- you should only use the Premium Line discs. I typically buy the 8x shiny ones (they also make white inkjet printable surface ones as well, have lots of those). Never had a problem with them, aside from physically damaged discs.

[jagabo]

One more thing. I have put DVD paper labels on my DVD's, but made sure they were perfectly centered, so I doubt that is the problem.

That's the problem. Remove the labels, the discs will work again.

[MelGrubb]

I have seen a lot of advice about how to remove paper labels, and I just wanted to chime in and let you know that it's not necessary. I am in the process of ripping all my home video DVDs to a NAS at home to keep them safe. I have 18 years worth of home videos, and the vast majority have paper labels on them in order to "protect" them. When I started ripping them all, I was upset to find that the ones that had been written on directly ripped without any problems, but the paper labels almost always caused problems.

What I have found is that the DVDs heat up when read, and the labels do not. The result is that the entire disc begins to "cup" upward. This is why you might hear rubbing noise from the drive which increases the longer the disc is left in. I have "unlocked" the drive in ImgBurn so that I can eject the disc in the middle of an operation. Now, when I hear the drive start to slow down from read errors, I just eject the disc, let it cool off for five minutes or so, and then close the drive again. The reading picks up where it left off, and I now I have my complete copy of the DVD, all without having to peel off the labels.


This won't help those who are looking to simply play the discs, but if you're trying to archive them, this works great.

[Noahtuck]

This is funny!!!
I have barely surfed through here over the last month+ because I have been super busy, see a thread on the front page that catches my eye and low and behold!!!!
LOL!!

We will forget about digging up an old thread for really no reason.....
Other than some hair brained theory or idea how you should NOT do something!!

What I have found is that the DVDs heat up when read, and the labels do not.

That is like saying, My car engine gets hot but my exhaust does not

The result is that the entire disc begins to "cup" upward

You obviously do not understand what is actually happening....

This is why you might hear rubbing noise from the drive which increases the longer the disc is left in.

LMAO!!!

I have had dvd's/cd's that WOULD NOT read at all because of paper labels, which anyone with half a clue stopped using years before this thread was originally posted.
Remove them and they ripped fine, no need to stop in the middle, fart around wasting more time, blah blah blah.....

[MelGrubb]

This is funny!!!
I have barely surfed through here over the last month+ because I have been super busy, see a thread on the front page that catches my eye and low and behold!!!!
LOL!!

We will forget about digging up an old thread for really no reason.....
Other than some hair brained theory or idea how you should NOT do something!!

Well, I certainly appreciate you taking time out of your obviously busy schedule to criticize my post. Yes, it's an old post, but it also happened to be where Google led me when I was looking for how to remove the labels, having determined that they were the problem. Logic dictates that others with similar questions would end up there too. Therefore, it was a good place to park my alternate suggestion in the hopes that it saves someone some time in the future.

What I have found is that the DVDs heat up when read, and the labels do not.

That is like saying, My car engine gets hot but my exhaust does not

Fine... what I have noticed is that the DVD EXPANDS when heated and the label doesn't. Or at least they expand at different enough rates to have the cupping effect I mentioned. The effect is noticeable with nothing more than your naked eye. When I take the disc out of the drive after it begins to fail, I can clearly see that it is no longer flat. But I'm sure my argument withers under the weight of your obviously superior intellect and well-practiced derision, when all I have to back it up is hard evidence, namely a stack of about 120 DVDs for which this has worked, and a small stack of 8 for which it has not.

I have had dvd's/cd's that WOULD NOT read at all because of paper labels, which anyone with half a clue stopped using years before this thread was originally posted.
Remove them and they ripped fine, no need to stop in the middle, fart around wasting more time, blah blah blah.....

At no point did I claim that this would solve ALL problems with the labels. And did you read the part where I said these DVDs go back 18 years. Yes, paper labels suck, and we know that now. That doesn't help anyone's older DVDs one bit. You think that "stopping in the middle" and simply allowing the disc to cool is somehow a waste of time, but physically removing the labels isn't? I believe my suggestion involves no more work than sitting on the couch watching TV, and should be used as a first step since it involves modifying the disc in no way at all. If it doesn't work, you are always free to try other means, including removing the label entirely, but when you're ripping the world's only copy of your child's first birthday, any normal, logical person would at least give the option involving ZERO work a chance first.

Your reply was helpful in exactly ZERO ways. You added nothing to the conversation other than derision and baseless claims of superiority. If you have something constructive to add to the conversation other than just pointing, laughing, and declaring yourself smarter than the poster then, by all means, add it to the thread. If you just want to play the "I'm smarter than you" game then please waste someone else's time.

If you want to play the "I have over 6000 posts, and you're just a noob" angle, then consider this. I went out of my way to join a new forum just to leave one post that might save the video of someone's trip home from the hospital with their new baby. I spent my own time to help others. What did you do tonight?

[jagabo]

Fine... what I have noticed is that the DVD EXPANDS when heated and the label doesn't. Or at least they expand at different enough rates to have the cupping effect I mentioned.

This is definitely true.

[uchukaiju]

Applying paper adhesive labels on the disc is your problem for sure! Had this happen to me a lot back in the early 2000's. Stopped using the paper labels and no more problems! Try doing the same burn on the same media without the label. My guess is, it'll play fine!!

- Mike