Making my video look like this

[JackDanielZ]

Hey all.

I have now found a soccer match online converted like I want it too, then I will ask you if you would help me, with looking on that file and compare it to my conversion and make it look like the one I found..

My File:
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 2.18 GiB
Duration : 1h 37mn
Overall bit rate : 3 193 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49
Tagged date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49
Writing application : Lavf54.63.100

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1h 37mn
Bit rate : 3 059 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.133
Stream size : 2.09 GiB (96%)
Writing library : x264 core 130 r2273
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=24000 / vbv_bufsize=24000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49
Tagged date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 1h 37mn
Duration_LastFrame : -11ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 80ms
Stream size : 89.4 MiB (4%)
Language : Danish
Encoded date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49
Tagged date : UTC 2013-03-12 23:01:49


The file I found:
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 2.84 GiB
Duration : 1h 38mn
Overall bit rate : 4 138 Kbps
Movie name : 20130312 2040 - ITV HD - barca-milan remux
Encoded date : UTC 2013-03-13 00:10:35
Writing application : mkvmerge v5.7.0 ('The Whirlwind') built on Jul 8 2012 20:08:51
Writing library : libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 38mn
Bit rate : 3 671 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.159
Stream size : 2.52 GiB (89%)
Writing library : x264 core 129 r2245 bc13772
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=22.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 38mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 270 MiB (9%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No


I know the file is diffrent with the MP4 and MKV, but else I really dont know?
Do you need samples?

JackDanielZ

[Baldrick]

They might have a better video source and may have applied some filters so it's not that simple as just the encoding settings.

But you can use Mis2x264 to "convert" the x264 encoding settings so you can use it in the x264 encoder (command line tool). I think some guis can use the command line settings also.

[JackDanielZ]

They might have a better video source and may have applied some filters so it's not that simple as just the encoding settings.

But you can use Mis2x264 to "convert" the x264 encoding settings so you can use it in the x264 encoder (command line tool). I think some guis can use the command line settings also.

I understand everything you tell me for once.

I will upload the two files as a sample.

Maybe my judgement is whats wrong.

I will upload two samples and let you be the judge.


This is my one : http://gupl.dk/693356/

This is the other one : http://gupl.dk/693357/

JackDanielZ

[Baldrick]

Is your original video source interlaced 25 fps?

The other one might be from for example a 50fps progressive source so it's easier to get smoother playback.

[JackDanielZ]

Is your original video source interlaced 25 fps?

The other one might be from for example a 50fps progressive source so it's easier to get smoother playback.

Yes the file I made was originally 25 fps interlaced

Here is mediainfo for my file was originally:

Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 63.5 MiB
Duration : 59s 294ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 8 982 Kbps

Video
ID : 3100 (0xC1C)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=8, N=24
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 59s 40ms
Bit rate : 8 150 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.157
Stream size : 57.4 MiB (90%)
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio
ID : 3106 (0xC22)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 59s 200ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -240ms
Stream size : 2.71 MiB (4%)
Language : Danish



But overall what do you see to be the biggest difference? was is the lookahead thing and threats?
One more thing in encoding settings: why is there not info about the yadif being used?

[sanlyn]

Your version looks better than the original. It has less motion blur. I have no problems playing either of these clips.

[manono]

I find nothing wrong with yours either. For the samples the other one has a 20% higher bitrate and for the complete videos nearly 30%. That's significant and about the only way I can think to improve yours is to boost the bitrate. Either that or encode for a CRF that's good enough for you. And Yadif, while it looks OK there, isn't the best deinterlacer. It's main claim to fame is that it's fast. If you have all the time in the world, you might consider using QTGMC.

[sanlyn]

I agree, QTGMC will give a cleaner image than yadif, with better accutance (clarity). Even at QTGMC's faster settings (try "fast" or "very fast" as the QTGMC preset) you'll like it better than yadif. Don't use the "ultra fast" setting, or QTGMC will default to yadif internally and you're almost back where you started with yadif alone.

I use yadif myself occasionally, but usually with very odd or over sharpened video that could use a more smoothing effect because of really bad noise and other defects.

[JackDanielZ]

I will try the QTGMC right away, is it okay to try it with the program XviD4PSP 5 ? right now I am using Xmedia Recode witch have given me the best results I have ever had. I guess its not possible to use yadif and QTGMC in Handbrake gui?

Nice to hear that my conversion looks good, I guess one of my problems is that I am a perfectionist..

[manono]

I will try the QTGMC right away, is it okay to try it with the program XviD4PSP 5 ?

I don't see either one of them listed among the included filters. In my version 5.0 you can edit the AviSynth script to add any AviSynth filter you like. Remember, though, that QTGMC is a bobber. If you want the original framerate back add in SelectEven afterwards:

QTGMC(Preset="Fast").SelectEven()

It also requires a number of other filters to work so make sure and have them. Before trying to use it in XviD4PSP maybe try and open it in VDub to see if you get an error message (I open scripts in XviD4PSP, and not the videos themselves). Or maybe XviD4PSP will also give you an error message that will help you pinpoint any problems.

I guess its not possible to use yadif and QTGMC in Handbrake gui?

Handbrake doesn't use AviSynth scripts at all. Apparently it uses Yadif when you choose to 'Decomb':

https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/DeinterlacingGuide

[sanlyn]

QTGMC, documentation, and a complete package of all required Avisynth plugins is available here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156028

[JackDanielZ]

I will try the QTGMC right away, is it okay to try it with the program XviD4PSP 5 ?

I don't see either one of them listed among the included filters. In my version 5.0 you can edit the AviSynth script to add any AviSynth filter you like. Remember, though, that QTGMC is a bobber. If you want the original framerate back add in SelectEven afterwards:

QTGMC(Preset=Fast").SelectEven()

It also requires a number of other filters to work so make sure and have them. Before trying to use it in XviD4PSP maybe try and open it in VDub to see if you get an error message (I open scripts in XviD4PSP, and not the videos themselves). Or maybe XviD4PSP will also give you an error message that will help you pinpoint any problems.

I guess its not possible to use yadif and QTGMC in Handbrake gui?

Handbrake doesn't use AviSynth scripts at all. Apparently it uses Yadif when you choose to 'Decomb':

https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/DeinterlacingGuide

http://gupl.dk/693395/

Its i my version, and thats a good thing because i am very bad at writing avisynth in freehand. there is also one called QTGMC sharp

[manono]

Its i my version, and thats a good thing because i am very bad at writing avisynth in freehand. there is also one called QTGMC sharp

Thanks for that. Maybe it's time for me to upgrade. As I said earlier, I feed it the scripts to begin with, but if I'm going to be handing out advice maybe I had better know what it includes.

[JackDanielZ]

Its i my version, and thats a good thing because i am very bad at writing avisynth in freehand. there is also one called QTGMC sharp

Thanks for that. Maybe it's time for me to upgrade. As I said earlier, I feed it the scripts to begin with, but if I'm going to be handing out advice maybe I had better know what it includes.

Its not always easy to follow all the constant updates
When you convert things like soccer, how importtant is lookahead, threads and re frames then?

I am also wondering if this me=umh / subme=9 is important?

JackDanielZ

[jagabo]

This is my one : http://gupl.dk/693356/
This is the other one : http://gupl.dk/693357/

The encoding settings aren't responsible for the differences. The other one is sharper than yours, over sharpened in my opinion. It also has much more detail when the grass is in motion. But I suspect that loss of detail is in your source, not your encoding.

[JackDanielZ]

This is my one : http://gupl.dk/693356/
This is the other one : http://gupl.dk/693357/

The encoding settings aren't responsible for the differences. The other one is sharper than yours, over sharpened in my opinion. It also has much more detail when the grass is in motion. But I suspect that loss of detail is in your source, not your encoding.

Very interesting.

Any chance I loose some birate from editing..

What I do:

1. Record with DVB Viewer
2. Edit what I recorded with VideRedo
3. Convert with the gui i want.

jack DanielZ

[jagabo]

Any chance I loose some birate from editing..

What I do:

1. Record with DVB Viewer
2. Edit what I recorded with VideRedo
3. Convert with the gui i want.

As I understand it VideoRedo is a smart editor and only reencodes cut GOPs. So you would only loose quality for a second or so around the cuts.

[JackDanielZ]

Any chance I loose some birate from editing..

What I do:

1. Record with DVB Viewer
2. Edit what I recorded with VideRedo
3. Convert with the gui i want.

As I understand it VideoRedo is a smart editor and only reencodes cut GOPs. So you would only loose quality for a second or so around the cuts.

Hmm. Where in the process do you think I lost the quality? The version you find to sharp is CRF 24, mine is CRF 20.

The original framerate for my recording is 25 FPS there only thing I know about the other one is that its output is also 25 FPS

[jagabo]

Where in the process do you think I lost the quality? The version you find to sharp is CRF 24, mine is CRF 20.

I think your source file is where it was lost -- ie, at the broadcaster. Look at the source. Does it have detail in the grass while panning? Does it have a nice sharp picture? My guess is "no" to both those questions.

[JackDanielZ]

Any chance I loose some birate from editing..

What I do:

1. Record with DVB Viewer
2. Edit what I recorded with VideRedo
3. Convert with the gui i want.

As I understand it VideoRedo is a smart editor and only reencodes cut GOPs. So you would only loose quality for a second or so around the cuts.

Hmm. Where in the process do you think I lost the quality? The version you find to sharp is CRF 24, mine is CRF 20.

The original framerate for my recording is 25 FPS there only thing I know about the other one is that its output is also 25 FPS

I have checked it very closely. the other file is just "BETTER QUALITY"
And I gues there is not secret trick to make the panning look smoother?

[jagabo]

I have checked it very closely. the other file is just "BETTER QUALITY"

Because he started with a better quality source than you. If your source is fuzzy and has no detail your encodings will be the same. You can try sharpening before encoding to get a sharper picture. But that won't restore missing detail in the grass.

And I gues there is not secret trick to make the panning look smoother?

It's no secret -- bob and encode at 50 fps. 25 fps is always jerky. His panning shots are no smoother than yours.

[JackDanielZ]

I have checked it very closely. the other file is just "BETTER QUALITY"

Because he started with a better quality source than you. If your source is fuzzy and has no detail your encodings will be the same. You can try sharpening before encoding to get a sharper picture. But that won't restore missing detail in the grass.

And I gues there is not secret trick to make the panning look smoother?

It's no secret -- bob and encode at 50 fps. 25 fps is always jerky. His panning shots are no smoother than yours.

Just Bob and change output to 50 fps?

[jagabo]

Just Bob and change output to 50 fps?

Yes. The better bob you use the better the output quality. QTGMC() is usually the best, Yadif(mode=1) usually pretty good, simple Bob() the worst.