Footage captured in Sony Vegas compatible with Adobe Premiere Pro?

[snoutproductions]

Hi all,

I have some footage for a film I'm working on that was captured by a friend of mine with Sony Vegas. I use Adobe Premiere Pro 7. When I import the footage, it plays fine in the preview monitor, and will play fine through any video playing media on my computer, but when I drag it to the time line, the first thirty seconds or so of it plays fine, and then all that happens is you see a still frame from some random point in the clip and the audio sounds like a really rapid "click" sound, for lack of a better description. I'm thinking it might be something in the way Vegas codes the video that isn't compatible, but then why is it playing in the preview monitor?

I'm trying to avoid having to recapture, because it's ALOT of footage. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks!

[Cornucopia]

Hard to say, as there could be a number of different codecs that the friend could have encoded to (over and above the stock ones), same with your setup...

For expediency's sake, why don't you run you suspect clips through MediaInfo and give us a text export of one of them (maybe more if they're encoded differently).

Could be a true bug, could be lack of proper codecs, could be incompatible codec versions, could be some corruption in the transfer/storage of the files, PIBKAC, etc.

Scott

[edDV]

Needed info:

1 Camera make/model
2 Shooting format
3 Format you actually got (i.e did he re-encode?).

[snoutproductions]

Camera I shot with was a handheld Sony HDC; I don't know what he used to capture it or how he did it. I need to ask him.

Shooting format is DV

[aedipuss]

what format is it now? install mediainfo. run it in text mode on a file and copy paste results.

[snoutproductions]

They are AVI files, but I'll run it through MediaInfo to double check.

[snoutproductions]

Complete name : C:\snout productions\Storybook clips\Caleb 2\Caleb 2 2011_11_05_14_35_02.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DVCPRO
Format profile : OpenDML
File size : 8.33 GiB
Duration : 41mn 20s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 28.9 Mbps
Recorded date : 2011-07-03 20:34:09.000

[edDV]

Camera I shot with was a handheld Sony HDC; I don't know what he used to capture it or how he did it. I need to ask him.

Shooting format is DV

Do you mean Sony HDR? There are HDR-HC1 HC3 etc.

A straight capture with Sony Vegas or other would result in a DV-AVI file with identical data to that on tape. It is possible to drop frames during capture since it is a stream capture not an error corrected OS copy.

The only thing strange about the short mediainfo read is the id as DVCPro which is a version of DV used by pro Panasonic camcorders. Post the full mediainfo data (under View-Text) so we can see if anything else varies from normal.

[snoutproductions]

Here's the camera I use: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DCR-HC21-Handycam-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B0007M3PK8/ref=sr_1_...985376&sr=8-12

And yes, my buddy did use a more pro-grade camera to capture with.

Also, here's what I think is the full text from mediainfo. I'm still learning how to use this software, so correct me if I'm not copying and pasting the right thing.


General
Complete name : C:\snout productions\Storybook clips\Caleb 2\Caleb 2 2011_11_05_13_17_40.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DVCPRO
Format profile : OpenDML
File size : 10.7 GiB
Duration : 53mn 7s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 28.9 Mbps
Recorded date : 2011-05-03 09:47:03.000

Video
ID : 0
Format : DV
Format_Commercial_IfAny : DVCPRO
Duration : 53mn 7s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Chroma subsampling : 4:1:1
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.357
Stream size : 10.7 GiB (100%)
Encoding settings : ae mode=manual / wb mode=automatic / white balance= / fcm=manual focus

Audio #1
ID : 0-0
Format : PCM
Muxing mode : DV
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 53mn 7s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth : 12 bits
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Audio #2
ID : 0-1
Format : PCM
Muxing mode : DV
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 53mn 7s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 KHz
Bit depth : 12 bits

[poisondeathray]

There should be no problems in compatibility with DV , even with 10 year old version of premiere

Since your media player seems to play them ok, You might try upgrading your software or uninstalling/reinstalling to see if that helps

[snoutproductions]

Thanks poisondeathray; I actually did try a re-installation and it didn't seem to make a difference. I'm starting to believe that some cache or some such was corrupted during capture and that I need to recapture. Thanks for the tip though.

[poisondeathray]

Recapturing probably won't help if your media player can play them ok . I assume they look ok in vegas as well

If the files were corrupt, they would be corrupt in everything, not just premiere

Why don' t you download a trial version of premiere and see if that works (in case the problem is that version you are using, at least it will help to narrow down the issue)

[edDV]

Hi all,

I have some footage for a film I'm working on that was captured by a friend of mine with Sony Vegas. I use Adobe Premiere Pro 7.

The mediainfo looks ok. Standard interlace DV.

Do you mean Premiere 7.0? It was an alternate name for Premiere Pro 1.0 which was a very buggy* version but should work with DV avi format. Current Premiere Pro is CS5.5.


*Premiere Pro 1.0 and 1.5 were near unusable. It didn't get acceptably stable until CS4.

[Cornucopia]

I think I see what could be the problem:

Your file has 4 channels of 32kHz, 12 bit audio (stream1 = 2 channel, stream 2 = 2 channel). This is NOT standard for pro work, and MANY apps can't handle it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Vegas might could handle it and PP NOT.

Unless there is a CLEAR, STRONG reason for using that audio mode, I would always recommend AGAINST it, whether for pro or home work.

Maybe you can get you friend to switch to using just 2 channels and then re-rendering it with resampled audio (@ 16bit, 48kHz)...

Scott

[aedipuss]

the hc21 defaults to single stream 12bit audio from sony for recording, you have to go into the menu to switch the cam to 16bit. if you capture with the hc21 it should only have 1 - 12bit stereo audio stream not the 2 the pro cam uses and wrote when dealing with 12bit audio. pp might be more likely to accept it that way.

[Cornucopia]

12bit ANYTHING is still a no-no in the pro world (too low quality), and the whole 32kHz option has been a bugaboo from the start of the DV spec.

Like I said, DON'T USE IT, unless you have a very strong set of reasons why you must...

16bit, 2ch, 48kHz LPCM is the standard. (or use better - 24bit, 96k, etc)

Scott