Transferring files between 2 PC's using ieee

[dbanimal]

Not sure if this is the correct forum but all I'm trying to accomplish is transferring video files from one PC to another using an ieee (1394a) connection. What do I need to do other than connect a cable between the two? Thanks in advance!!

[Baldrick]

Computer section is better. Moving you.

Or do you mean that you want to CAPTURE the video from the other pcs video output? Not just move data video files.

[aedipuss]

you most likely need shared folders on both computers.

[jagabo]

One warning: Win7 doesn't support firewire networking. Vista and XP do.

[dbanimal]

Or do you mean that you want to CAPTURE the video from the other pcs video output? Not just move data video files.

Nope, just move video files from one PC to another using firewire.

[dbanimal]

you most likely need shared folders on both computers.

This is true if I were to use ethernet to transfer, which I have been but takes forever. The thing is, I need both PC's to see eachother's firewire connections, I'm not sure how to do that.

[edDV]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface#Networking_over_FireWire
http://www.nitroware.net/index.php/editorials/67-articles/87-sp3-1394.html

[ocgw]

you most likely need shared folders on both computers.

This is true if I were to use ethernet to transfer, which I have been but takes forever. The thing is, I need both PC's to see eachother's firewire connections, I'm not sure how to do that.

A Gigabit switch is good for 40-50Mb/s sustained real world, I just bought 2 D-Links

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127083

ocgw

peace

[aedipuss]

firewire uses tcp/ip just like ethernet. same sharing applies, but it can approach 400mbits/s. all that's needed is plugging in a firewire cable connecting each computer. personally i'd use 4 pin->4pin and not any 6 pin wiring. the 6 pin wires have live voltage and may fry a bad connection.

gigabit switches/routers are capable of 125mbytes/sec or 1000mbits/sec.

windows home networking blows and you may see much lower speeds than max in each type of network.

[jagabo]

I need both PC's to see eachother's firewire connections, I'm not sure how to do that.

You do that by enabling file sharing over the firewire port. Windows 7 has removed this capability.

[ocgw]

firewire uses tcp/ip just like ethernet. same sharing applies, but it can approach 400mbits/s. all that's needed is plugging in a firewire cable connecting each computer. personally i'd use 4 pin->4pin and not any 6 pin wiring. the 6 pin wires have live voltage and may fry a bad connection.

gigabit switches/routers are capable of 125mbytes/sec or 1000mbits/sec.

windows home networking blows and you may see much lower speeds than max in each type of network.

That is the gigabit "theoretical" max speed, but in the real world you get about half that, just like usb only gets about half its theoretical max speed in the real world

Why does Windows Home Networking "blow" my friend? lol Your network is only as fast as your hardware, and short runs make for higher speeds

All my PC's have gigabit ethernet which is pretty much useless for ultra high speed tranfers from the web, but fantastic for shuttling uncompressed blu rays between PC's

My transfers on my own Windows 7 Gigabit Home Network start out @ 90mb/s and wind down slowly to about 46-47Mb/s, 4x faster than I can transfer @ work w/ a 10/100 connection (General Motors Engineering World Head Quarters-Warren, Michigan)

Where the connection wins @ work is I get the full 11Mb/s downloads (10/100) from the web where as my 16mb comcast connection won't get more than 3Mb/s downloads (24mb)

ocgw

peace

[jagabo]

Why does Windows Home Networking "blow" my friend? lol Your network is only as fast as your hardware, and short runs make for higher speeds

Linux on the same hardware has greater real world throughput.

[ocgw]

Why does Windows Home Networking "blow" my friend? lol Your network is only as fast as your hardware, and short runs make for higher speeds

Linux on the same hardware has greater real world throughput.

Really?

How much and how come?

Can you run a Windows 7 or XP virtual PC in Linux?

I just downloaded Ubuntu, gonna' try it out on some older gear I have

ocgw

peace

[dbanimal]

Thanks for the responses guys and Merry Christmas!! I will give some of this a try!!

One other thing to mention, the one PC is running Vista Home Premium and the other is running XP Pro. Will this cause conflicts by chance??

[JohnnyMalaria]

Thanks for the responses guys and Merry Christmas!! I will give some of this a try!!

One other thing to mention, the one PC is running Vista Home Premium and the other is running XP Pro. Will this cause conflicts by chance??

Only XP supports networking via FireWire. MS removed it from Vista and isn't part of Win 7 either. At the time, integrated FireWire was not common and MS could not justified ongoing support for a feature they saw as of little value.

[ocgw]

If I may reiterate, "Gigabit Windows Home Network", not hard to setup, gear not expensive, faster than firewire

fast ethernet (10/100) < Firewire 400 < usb2.0 (480mb/s) < Firewire 800 < gigabit ethernet (10/100/1000)

http://www.lyberty.com/tech/terms/usb.html

According to Tom's hardware gigabit ethernet is even faster in the real world than Firewire 800 (iEEE 1394b)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/drivers-improve-windowsxp-service-pack-2-firewire,867-7.html

Rosewill 10/100/1000 5-port switch (5-eggs) $25USD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166036

D-Link 10/100/1000 5-port switch (5-eggs) $30USD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127083

True plug and play setup on the D-link by personal experience

Don't make it any harder than it has to be if you don't need to

ocgw

peace

[dbanimal]

Thanks for the responses guys and Merry Christmas!! I will give some of this a try!!

One other thing to mention, the one PC is running Vista Home Premium and the other is running XP Pro. Will this cause conflicts by chance??

Only XP supports networking via FireWire. MS removed it from Vista and isn't part of Win 7 either. At the time, integrated FireWire was not common and MS could not justified ongoing support for a feature they saw as of little value.

Ah, I see. So I'm wasting my time trying to get this to work then I take it?!?!

[johns0]

Be much easier to use a 8gb flash drive and copy files that way from one computer to the other.

[jagabo]

If you already have ethernet ports on both computers all you need is a crossover cable.

http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-A3X126-03-YLW-M-3-Foot-Crossover-Yellow/dp/B00004Z591/

[ogk]

Detailed info
http://lifehacker.com/173973/geek-to-live--fast-one-wire-network-ip-over-firewire

On December 4, 2004, Microsoft announced that it would discontinue support for IP networking over the FireWire interface in all future versions of Microsoft Windows. Consequently, support for this feature is absent from Windows Vista and later Windows releases.

[ocgw]

Thanks for the responses guys and Merry Christmas!! I will give some of this a try!!

One other thing to mention, the one PC is running Vista Home Premium and the other is running XP Pro. Will this cause conflicts by chance??

Only XP supports networking via FireWire. MS removed it from Vista and isn't part of Win 7 either. At the time, integrated FireWire was not common and MS could not justified ongoing support for a feature they saw as of little value.

I believe MS never wanted to support firewire because it was a Mac invention, didn't firewire arrive before usb2.0?

firewire (2003)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface

usb2.0 (2001)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#History

Wiki says usb2.0 was first, but I think that was just on paper, I am sure I had my Sony DV firewire camcorder before usb 2.0

ocgw

peace

[budz]

^^^Sony then jumped on the bandwagon w/apple!

[edDV]

Point to point IEEE-1394 (Firewire 400) serial communication has been supported by Apple OS since 1995 and natively by Win98SE since 1999. Third party apps offered IEEE-1394 for Windows back to Windows 95.

Windows IP networking over IEEE-1394 is a separate XP (2001) application. Similar functionality was available from by third parties back to Windows 98/2000. This feature was dropped in Vista/Win7 but standard IEEE-1394 communication is supported.
http://www.homenethelp.com/network/firewire.asp

In 2001, Apple OS introduced a feature called Target Disk Mode (TDM) over Firewire that accessed remote disk transfers but never supported Firewire networking with either UNIX or Windows networks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_Disk_Mode

Apple added support for limited IP networking over IEEE-1394 in OSX 10.3 (Panther 2003).

IEEE-1394 over Cat5 Ethernet cable will be possible with the future IEEE-1394C standard.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2414