RipBot264 to DVD-DL for Play on PS3

[ronorkis]

Maybe I am missing something simple here, but here goes.

I used AnyDVD to rip a Blu-Ray to my hard drive. I have a whole bunch of streams in that folder now, not one large stream, but a whole bunch of 200mb to 1.5GB files. I want to create a BluRay structure DVD DL to play on PS3, and when i use RipBot264, which stream do I pick. If i pick one, then I only get a few minutes worth of movie obviously. I assume i have to get all of the streams for the movie and mux them into one file, and then run RipBot264 on it?

Maybe I am using an old version of RipBot? Maybe an old version of AnyDVD.

To make a long story short, Rip a Blu-Ray to DVD DL to plauy of PS3. I looked at the RipBot guide here, but I cannot select the whole movie.

If you can send me a guide or a post explaining, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for any help...

[Baldrick]

Ripbot264 should automatically choose the main movie but if they are splitted maybe it wont work. You can then try join the ones you think are the main movie using for example vobmerge(it will work for any files just choose all files when opening and saving). And try play the m2ts using vlc player or mpc-hc to see what they contain.

[jman98]

Some newer BluRay titles exhibit the behavior you describe when decrypting because it's part of how the copy protection scheme works. The forums at http://www.doom9.net might have some helpful info on what to do in these cases. I've read discussions on this subject before out of curiosity, but since I have no BluRay devices I can't put this into practical use and don't remember any of the details. There's some tool that can join all the parts of your decryption together to make one large file to feed into programs like Ripbot264, but I don't remember the name of it. Again, poking around the forums at Doom9 might help.

[poisondeathray]

I haven't come across this with any of my titles, but I think it's called "seamless branching", and eac3to is supposed to be able to navigate the playlist correctly - I think this is what jman98 was referring to.

If you Google "seamless branching" & "eac3to" there are several guides on how to get around this

[ronorkis]

I ended up downloading the latest and greatest ripbot, and when I select one of the video files, it automatically selects the whole movie for me. So, i select my whole movie, the audio track, the subtitle, and then ....

So, that problem solved. I picked 2-pass, and file size of DVD DL(8.5) Blu Ray structure.

Is it really this easy? I know the encoding is going to take a while, but that was a breeze.

[Megahurts]

I have a blu-ray title that has 30 m2ts files (they were not in any order) for the main movie. I had to watch the movie and select which m2ts to select as the next in order. The shortest was 18 seconds and longest was 28 minutes. Encoded all the files to XVID and joined them with VDM to be played on a PS3. Took half a day... would I do it again.... NO.

If you have a simular title structure and ripbot264 does the trick then I would be suprised.

[poisondeathray]

ripbot264 uses eac3to as the back end tool to read the playlist, and I read over at doom9 this works for the seamless branching blu-rays that you guys are describing (which thankfully I haven't come across yet)

[ronorkis]

SO, i started up the 2-pass, File output size DVD-9. Started it yesterday at 5:00pm, and it is now 8:00am. So, 15 hours, and it is on pass-2 at about 29%. Now it is really crawling, doing about 1% every hour, so i am looking at another 60 hours to complete. That cannot be right, can it? I was moving along slow, now it is moving slower than myrtle the turtle.

[jman98]

That might be right. Do you have a single core CPU? My best PC at home only has a single core (yes, I plan to upgrade soon) and I can't encode to H.264 at all because it takes days. It's just not worth it to me.

[ronorkis]

I have an AMD Athlon 5200+ dual core. I didn't think it would take this long, good lord! Are there other ways to do this, or is RipBot the only way to get a Blu-Ray to DVD-DL. I though i remember seeing a way to do it via Tsmuxer, and some other piece of software to do the re-encoding.

[Baldrick]

60 hours doesn't sound correct on a dual core. It took 5-6 hours for me(constant quality single pass 1280x720p) on my intel dual core system using ripbot264.

Try constant quality and see if it makes any difference.

Or it could be a decoding problem. Can you preview the video okey in ripbot264?

[ronorkis]

I am up for any ideas, and I was going to use CQ, but I cannot seem pick the size of the file then. I want the output BluRay structure to fit on a DVD +R DL.

[jman98]

Something is seriously wrong if you have a dual core and are getting this kind of response. You might go into Task Manager and check your processes and memory usage. Maybe you are running out of memory or something else on your PC is sucking up CPU you need.

You don't HAVE to use RipBot264. It was just suggested because it apparently is easy to for newbies to use. The forums at http://www.doom9.net might have more info on ways to encode. You may not want to do this, but I have taken some MKV files and encoded them to MPEG-2 and made HD DVDs (yes, I have a player) out of them. I have to use bit rates around 11000 to get a movie on a DVD+R DL disc, but I'm satisfied with the results. I use HCenc and AviSynth. I'm not saying this is better than what you are doing as it is not, but if you can't figure out why your encodes are taking so long and fix that, it is an alternative you could try.

[redwudz]

It takes me about six hours to encode to MKV two pass with a quad core 3Ghz CPU. I usually set the encode to DVD-5 or sometimes DVD-9 sizes. With a dual core 2.8 CPU, I would guess that would be about double, plus a bit more. Maybe 13 - 15 hours, if the rest of the system is working properly. Check your CPU usage in Task Manager. It should be at 100% CPU.

So far I've only ran into one Blu-ray that had the main movie in two parts and I used Tsmuxer to append the parts together, along with the correct audio track. You need to preview them to find the correct stream order. Ripbot by itself failed. But the output from Tsmuxer into Ripbot worked fine.

[ronorkis]

Lots of helpful info, thanks a bunch.

I like the recommendation of using the CQ in ripbot. If I wanted to go that route, I would have to manually put in a bitrate. If i use a bitrate calculator to get that, I assume that may work a little faster. So, if my audio tracks are say 600 Meg, and I want to burn to a dual layer DVD, i could say 7.48GB-600MB, and use that file size to get the bitrate? Also, isn't there some extra space for some bluray essential files? Anyone know roughly how much that is?

Also, what is a good bitrate for Bluray to DVD DL??

[jman98]

Also, what is a good bitrate for Bluray to DVD DL??

Can't answer that question. Bit rate depends on how much video (in time) you have. 30 minutes at bit rate X produces much smaller files than 90 minutes at the same bit rate. You need a bit rate calculator to figure out what to use for however long your movie is and the bit rate of your audio (hopefully AC3 as it compresses the best). Leave maybe 200-300 MB of space for any necessary BluRay format stuff and you should be good.

[ronorkis]

So, my video finally finished. Took about 27 hours, on 2-Pass. Burned to Dual layer, looks great. So, i got an idea of how long that will take.

Now, i am going to try again, this time using MeGUI as the encoder. But my question is, after I demuxed my new movie, and pulled out the Video and audio, i went and looked at the size of the audio track, and it is:

Ac3 True HD, and the size is 3.9GB. Wow!

Should I do something to that audio track before i proceed to the re-encoding of the video track. That just seems way too big! Like use EAC3toGUI to lower the quality. ANy help, again, would be great!

thanks

[jman98]

If you are going to burn high def video to DVD+R DL discs, you have no choice really but to use AC3. All other formats, including DTS, use too much disc space. I'd advise keeping the AC3 bit rate to 448 or less. I think when you use tools like EAC3to to extract the AC3 core out of AC3 True HD, it ends up having a bit rate over 600 but if that works OK for you and plays OK, you don't have to use a lower bit rate, just keep that in mind when your encoding your video as the more space your audio takes up, the less space you have for video.

This is kind of like making SVCD was in the old days. The SVCD format was on CD discs and while we had better bit rates than VCD to work with, we often needed to skimp on the audio to give as much space as possible to the video. Similarly in trying to fit high def video on DL media, I'd advise keeping the audio bit rate relatively low so you have more room for video.

[ronorkis]

So, I ran that 4GB TrueHD audio track through EAC3toGUI. The only option I picked was AC-3 bitrate (640). I ended up with a file around 574meg. That is cool if it is correct.

Am i doing this right, and is there anyway for me to check the audio file to make sure it is correct before i proceed to encode the video. This, i believe is the last thing i need to know before continuing.

On a side note, i picked 448 as the bitrate, and it told me "This audi conversion is not supported" so I had to pick 640

[redwudz]

I've kept the 640k AC3 bitrate on most of my Blu-ray>MKV encodes and it works well. That sounds like the right filesize for a 640k file. You should be able to go down to maybe 256K bitrate for AC3, but you would have to re-encode. Not sure how.

Checking one of my MKV DL encodes, the video bitrate is about 7000Kbps and the audio 640Kbps. Neither Gspot or MediaInfo shows the size of either file. It was a 2hr 21min movie.

For the audio file, try playing it back with VLC.

[ronorkis]

Cool, thanks a bunch. I started the encoding with MeGUI and the estimetd time is about 8 hours. Much less than the 27 hours it took for ripbot. We will see how it works!

So, that 3.9GB AC3 track that was on the bluray, why is it so big? Is it some 8-channel lossless quality file? Similar to the PCM track? And by me extracting the core AC3, that is still a dolby digital track, correct?

I remember when DVD re=encoding started, and re-encoding a DVD was pretty similar to this. A learing experience, not too many pieces of software to pick from, very slow. It is kind of cool to pretty mcuh "start from scratch", because i really need another hobby.

[redwudz]

3.98GB might be AC3 tracks in several languages. Not sure. I used Tsmuxer and it showed 10 language tracks on one of my BD discs.