Cannot copy finalized DVD-RW from Standalone?

[jaggerdss]

I have a bunch of shows (Supercross series) on my Tivo that I wanted to get off so I recorded 6 each on a DVD-RW (1 hour each). I wanted to burn to a regular DVD on my PC but cannot. I get a I/O error or cannot read error from every single program that I use? The DVD plays fine in the standalone and will play on my PC fine. I have tried Dragging the VOB's over to a folder but it errors on the last two. I have tried burning or extracting using NERO,IsoBuster,etc.. I have tried DVD Decrypter,DVD Shrink and other re-encoders but no luck. The DVD-RW is finalized FOR SURE! I have tried several PC's with different DVD burners that all support DVD-RW's but the same results? Does anyone have any other clues, or have I stumbled upon the ultimate copy protection?
This is driving me nucking futs!
Oh! One other thing This was a Imation DVD-RW and I tried a TDK DVD+RW with the same results. I thought at first the DVD was bad but same results with 2 different DVDrw's?

[oldandinthe way]

Check the manual for your recorder. What format are your DVD-RWs written in? I suspect they are not DVD-Video. When you know what the DVD format is you can then find the procedure to convert to DVD-Video.

[louv68]

Give IsoBuster a try. I've used for the same as well. The free version will suffice.

[Krispy Kritter]

Give IsoBuster a try. I've used for the same as well. The free version will suffice.

Looks like the OP has already tried that, it's listed in his post.

[jman98]

jaggerdss - OK, first of all take a deep breath. Now try to post again, with a little less hysteria and a little more information.

Your post says both that burning a DVD worked (you claim to be able to play it on your PC and a standalone) and then you say it doesn't work. What the heck?

First of all, how did you get the files off your Tivo to your PC? Secondly, did you ever get a DVD that worked? Maybe you burned a DVD-RW that worked on your PC and you now want to copy that to DVD-/+R and your copy failed. Give us more info on how you got the files to your PC, what you did to make a DVD out of them, what type of DVD disc you burned to and how you get from saying you have a working disc to your message that it won't work and maybe we can help.

[jaggerdss]

jaggerdss - OK, first of all take a deep breath. Now try to post again, with a little less hysteria and a little more information.

OK. I took a deep breath and a shot of tequila just in case!

Your post says both that burning a DVD worked (you claim to be able to play it on your PC and a standalone) and then you say it doesn't work. What the heck?

Files Play fine on either standalone or PC. Cannot copy though.

First of all, how did you get the files off your Tivo to your PC? Secondly, did you ever get a DVD that worked? Maybe you burned a DVD-RW that worked on your PC and you now want to copy that to DVD-/+R and your copy failed. Give us more info on how you got the files to your PC, what you did to make a DVD out of them, what type of DVD disc you burned to and how you get from saying you have a working disc to your message that it won't work and maybe we can help.

Files were played from tivo to standalone. Finalized on standalone and play fine on standalone. Take DVD+/-RW (Tried both) to PC and plays fine. Try to copy (To DVD+,- or even image on drive) with NERO and error as posted. Try to extract VOB's with IsoBuster and error. Tried various other programs (Too many to list) to either extract or copy DVD with same results (error). If I record the same tivo files (Or any for that matter)down to my standalone with a standard DVDR(+ or - R) I can copy it (The DVDR) fine. I have been using RW's just so I can go back and edit the commercials out of the VOB's and re-author. That way I don't waste so many DVDR's (Which it looks like I'll be back to doing ).
The copies fail at the read process and this is the same with 4 different PC's and burners now so it is definitely something with the RW?
So do the DVD's play fine? YES! Can I copy them? NO!
To answer oldandinthe way, the standalone DVD recoder records in standard DVD format. (Funai SV2000)

[oldandinthe way]

I looked at the manual for your SV2000 recorder on line and it apparently records DVD-RW in DVD-VR, thats why it works when using write-once media and doesn;t work with R/W.

In order to be able to edit it has to use DVD-VR

Try page 24.

[louv68]

I own a SV2000 and have never run into this problem.

I do not own a TIVO, but have captured videos from VCR and have transferred to my PC to edit with no problems.

Very strange. Is it possible that the You cannot record videos that includes “copyonce only” signal. listed on page 24 may have something to do with this problem? Weird though since you're able to do it with -/+ discs???

[jaggerdss]

I looked at the manual for your SV2000 recorder on line and it apparently records DVD-RW in DVD-VR, thats why it works when using write-once media and doesn;t work with R/W.

In order to be able to edit it has to use DVD-VR

Try page 24.

If you read page 24 again you will see that I "Cannot finalize or make edits compatible IN (key word) other dvd recorders" My DVD's are finalized and I don't care to "edit" them on the disc at all, in another recorder or otherwize. I just want to copy the finalized,done disc to either my drive (To then edit) or to another DVDr.

Here is a screenshot of NERO (Although it won't help)

[jaggerdss]

I own a SV2000 and have never run into this problem.

I do not own a TIVO, but have captured videos from VCR and have transferred to my PC to edit with no problems.

Basically the same thing.

Very strange. Is it possible that the You cannot record videos that includes “copyonce only” signal. listed on page 24 may have something to do with this problem? Weird though since you're able to do it with -/+ discs???

No chance of this as it states that I cannot copy "copyonce only" signals. I have already recorded it to a DVD/RW so I should not have been able to do that in the first place.
I stuck the RW back in while I've been online and unfinalize then edited the titles and re-finalized again with no problem. Tried to burn with Nero and the cannot read still?

[louv68]

Try opening the disc with PgcEdit.

This might be a moot point, but have you tried decrypting the discs with DVDFab Decrypter or Ripit4Me?

Also, what happens if you try to demux them with PgcDemux and place the files on your HDD?

[jaggerdss]

Try opening the disc with PgcEdit.

This might be a moot point, but have you tried decrypting the discs with DVDFab Decrypter or Ripit4Me?

Also, what happens if you try to demux them with PgcDemux and place the files on your HDD?

Tried DVDfabdecrypter and ripit4me but I will try the other. I am reading a post on a different site about the same problem. It may have some things for me to try also.

[fatbloke88]

Try opening the files in TMPGEnc DVD Author 3 trial as it supports importing of DVD-VR under the source import wizard,you may have to remake your dvd but at least you'll be able to copy it afterwards

[jaggerdss]

Well I have read this post http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t271219-copying-a-dvdvr-disc-on-pc-which-was-cre...er-for-tv.htmland it seems as if the problem is in the fact that the disc is recorded in VR mode (Which I can't change?). When oldandintheway stated about the DVD-VR format, it made me do some studying and I ran across the post above. Weird that barely anything out there will copy this or the fact that no one even mentions it?I am currently trying Ulead (the one thing I have not tried) to copy the disc(although it is currently stuck at 87%) I will post back in a bit with the results.

[jaggerdss]

Try opening the files in TMPGEnc DVD Author 3 trial as it supports importing of DVD-VR under the source import wizard,you may have to remake your dvd but at least you'll be able to copy it afterwards

Dang! I don't like to hear that,cuz I tried that and it also had errors.

[louv68]

I'm starting to think that DVD-VR is not the issue.

I don't know what to say; only that I have a Law & Order I recorded onto a DVD-RW with the SV2000 and I'm ripping it with DVDFab Decrypter as I write this. I tried opening it with DVDShrink, but it did not like it. It gives a navigation error. Obviously this is a DVD-VR as I made the recording on the same machine as jaggerdss.

The only thing I can think of is that the drive you're using, doesn't like the discs the SV2000 is making. The only reason this comes to mind, is that not too long ago I made a data disc onto a DVD-R and the computer I made it on will not recognize the disc (in either the writer it was written on or a secondary on the system.) My second pc has no problem "seeing" the data. The only way the "original" writer or the secondary writer will see the data on the disc is if I use IsoBuster which has failed for jaggerdss. Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but are you sure you used IsoBuster correctly?

If it fails all the suggestions everyone has given, can you try it with another writer or on another pc?

FYI - Law and Order ripped successfully. I was also able to open it from the HDD with DVDShrink now as well.

This post may be useful. Why VIDEO_RM folder?

[jman98]

Something in your copy process may be going wrong. Try this - download and install ImgBurn (it's free). Use it in Read mode to make an ISO file to your hard drive. Then use it Write mode to write the ISO to a new disc. See if that fixes your problem.

I can't comment on any DVD-VR weirdness as I don't have a DVD recorder. I can only assume that your DVD+/-RW discs are burned by you in DVD compatible mode.

[oldandinthe way]

Here's Baldrick on the subject I just searched this site

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic269728.html

jagerdss

I'm not busting your chops. I knew what the problem was likely to be, not how to fix it.

[oldandinthe way]

Louv68

When does DVDshrink give a navigation error?

Can you select one episode in reauthor mode and burn?

[louv68]

DVD Shrink won't open the disc at all.

This is the error it gives:

DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue.
Invalid DVD Navigation structure

It has no problem opening the files off the HDD. I re-authored one episode and was able to burn it successfully.

[jaggerdss]

Well it froze on Ulead. I tried TMPGEnc DVD Author 3 (again)and the pic below is what happened. Tried IMGburn same thing.

Looks like I have some studying to do!
P.S. I have tried 4 different PC's with 4 different burners so the problem lies in the DVD.
Asa far as using IsoBuster correctly? It seems simple enough? Unless there is some setting that I am missing?

[louv68]

I've had IsoBuster freeze up on me sometimes when copying multiple files at once. Does it freeze up or gives an error?

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty much out of ideas right now. Keep us in the loop to see how it goes.

Good luck.

[jaggerdss]

It gives a read error.

[louv68]

I've never used this tool, but did notice that a new version came out yesterday. dvdisaster - provides a margin of safety against data loss on CD and DVD media caused by aging or scratches. dvdisaster tries to read as much data as possible from defective media. Afterwards unreadable sectors are recovered using the previously created error correction code. The maximum error correction capacity is user-selectable.

Might be worth look.

[jaggerdss]

Still plinking with it. I will try the dvddisaster and some other things i've downloaded. Looks like it is going to be a late night.

[fatbloke88]

DeadDiskDoctor might also be worth a try its got back disks that isobuster wouldn't touch for me

[oldandinthe way]

We may be dealing with two separate issues on these disks.

The CRC errors point to a bad write either due to bad media or a hardware problem. Neither Imation or TDK are considered high quality media, in fact you may find that they share a manufacturer - CMC if you read the media IDs. Imation now owns the TDK media brand.

So another brand of media which is not made by CMC would be a good idea. Verbatim is worth a try.

If it fails due to CRC errors also, I would pursue a hardware failure in your recorder as the likely cause, since you have already tried to read on multiple burners in PCs.

louv68's type of error is the sort I would expect from DVD-VR incompatibility.

[louv68]

The SV2000, more specifically the WV10D6 which I own is a very picky recorder in terms of +/- RW's it will record onto.

I have only found two that will work, and both are Memorex branded.

The 1st is 1X DVD-RW, media code: RITEK000V11A
The 2nd is 4X DVD+RW, media code: Philips041

Others' I've tried: Office Depot +/- RW's. -RW media code: RITEKW04 would not record.
+RW's media code: RICOHJPNW11 recorded but would only play on the recorder and pc's, not on any of my other 5 standalone players.

I have also tried Maxell +RW's. The one's I bought were coded the same (RICOHJPNW11) as the Office Depot's and gave the same results. I also tried some Maxell 2x -RW's (cannot remember the code) which also would not record on the unit.

Just the other day, I bought some TDK branded RW's that also would not record onto the unit.
4x -RW code: TDK601saku Don't work.
4x +RW code: PHILIPS-041 These are the same as the Memorex that work, but these don't!!

This is what the manual says about compatible media
• We strongly recommend for good recording quality:
TDK DVD+R 4x/8x/16x, SONY DVD+R 4x/8x/16x, MAXELL DVD+R 4x/8x/16x, SONY DVD+RW 4x,
MAXELL DVD-R 8x/16x, MAXELL DVD-RW 4x
• Discs that have been tested and are proven to be compatible with this recorder:
VERBATIM DVD+R 8x, VERBATIM DVD+RW 4x, VERBATIM DVD-R 8x, VERBATIM DVD-RW 2x, MAXELL DVD-R 16x, JVC DVD-RW 4x

[jaggerdss]

Well I spent all last night and some on it. I used every program known to man and nothing will crack it! It still plays absolutely fine with no errors in either standalone (Tried a few standalones) or PC's (5 different PC's now).
I would think if my recorder was bad that it would not play right or something? This is very weird! Definitely the best copy protection that I have ever ran across!
I will try some Verbatim or other but I think the problem won't go away with that. I do notice though that every program errors on the last part (Last VOBs)so I will try to record at a better quality and less time (Not 6 one hour programs, maybe just 4).

[rce06]

Hi everybody, I was searching the web for a thread like this (because I've been having problems too), because I myself recorded some programs directly off of my TV onto a Maxwell DVD-RW disc (almost 4 Hours worth) . It played perfectly on my standalone player, so I finalized the disc, in hopes to making a backup copy of it on onto a DVD-R disc, so I can rewrite on the DVD-RW disc later...well it worked..but only with DVDfab. I tried doing it with DVDShrink, but the infamous

DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue.
Invalid DVD Navigation structure

error message came up. So I was recommended to DVDFab...

So anyways, DVDFab worked once, so I thought it would work again.. so I AGAIN recorded some programs on another Maxwell DVD-RW (again, about 4hrs worth), and I finalized it. I went to rip it in DVDFab, and it seemed to work, but the size was only 816MB. So I burned it, and I played it in my player, but only the menus came up but the episodes would not play (which didn't suprise me, I knew something was wrong),. I ripped the disc again to DVDFab, and the same thing happened..and I don't know why? It worked before, I don't know why it isnt working now?

I then ripped the DVD using DVDecrypter, and it seemed to work great. But the file size was about 8.26GB..and that is too big of a file to fit on a standard 4.7GB DVD disc, I believe?

...So I was wondering if anybody can help me? I would've made a new thread, but I was searching the web seeing if anybody had a similiar problem too this, and I ran into this thread onto this site.

I'm such a NEWBIE at burning, so I don't know if I did anything wrong. But I know my Magnavox MWR10D6 DVD Player/Recorder supports Maxwell DVD-RW discs, so I didn't think there would ever be a problem.

Anyways, I hope I made sense, and I would sincerely appreciate any help, since I think I'm basically in the same boat as jaggerdss.