DVD9 to DVD5

[romi7519]

Hi all!

Sorry if this is the wrong section..

Can anyone link me to a tutorial which will show me how to go about encoding a DVD9 to DVD5 using CCE.

I already have DVD-Rebuilder but what I am doing is not working in DVD-RB.

I need to IVTC a DVD using a custom .avs script, then feed that into CCE.
Afterwards, do a pulldown etc etc.

Where I am getting stuck is working out the bitrates (calculating my final video size). Do i take into account all audio, subs and menus and deduct that from my video size? i.e. 4482MB.

I am looking to keep all menus, audio and subtitles intact.

Any help/pointers appreciated!

Cheers!

[loster]

rebuilder can do custom scripts check avs options

[ricoman]

This and other guides from Doom9.org. It also has screenshots there that didn't copy for this.

The RoBa method for CCE encoding

In case you're unfamiliar with the terminology check out the original post in my forum which lead to this method.

Then start up CCE SP. The first thing we want to do is select a template. Templates allow us to set certain options which will then be applied to every file we import into CCE. This spares us from manually configuring a possibly large number of encoding tasks. Just select Template from the main menu and click on the standard template.

This will open a new window where you can create, change and delete templates.

The first thing you want to do is give the profile a name that easily allows you to identify it.

Then you'll want to uncheck Audio file: which is absolutely useless for our process and make sure the Timecode settings are set so that frame 0 will get timecode 00:00:00:00

Now let's get into the thick of it. We first perform one pass VBR pass over the video, with a Q factor of 40, a minimum bitrate of 0 and a maximum bitrate of 9800:


Also set the Aspect ratio:

I have a profile for both aspect ratios and depending on what assets I'm encoding I'm just switching between the two. Before: the active profile determines all settings a newly imported video source will be given, so change to a 16:9 profile before importing 16:9 assets.


Then let's configure the advanced video settings:

Here we configure a lot of important options.

Set GOP sequence to M = 3 and N/M = 4, check Add sequence end code and Output top field first and set the Offset line to 0.

Set the Quantization scale type to Nonlinear if it's not already set and leave Luminance level at the default of 16 to 235.

Then press OK to get back to the main configuration screen.



Press Picture Quality to configure additional parameters:

Set the Block scan order to Zigzag, and check the Progressive frame flag.

Then uncheck all filters and set Quantizer characteristics to 15. Finally, press OK to get back to the main configuration window and press Save... to add the profile. You can now select it from the template list:

As you can see I have already created a 2nd profile for 16:9 assets.

After selecting the proper template you can start adding files to be encoded. You do that by right clicking in the main CCE area and selecting add. CCE will per default not list .AVS files so you'll have to change Files of Type to All Files. If you're using DIF4U the AviSynth script files will have the aspect ratio in their name. As an example VTS__02_P03_1.16~9.AVS would have to be encoded in 16:9, VTS__03_P01_1.4~3.AVS in 4:3.

Before you start encoding there's one more detail to take care of. In order to have perfectly accurate chapter positions we need to make sure each chapter starts with an I-frame (that is a complete but compressed frame). We do that by setting chapter points in CCE. It's possible to do it within CCE there's a much easier way. Select File - Save as in CCE and save your current project. This will create an .ECL file containing all your settings. Then you can open that file using a simple text editor like notepad. Once opened you'll see something like this:

[file]
name=D:\SWORDFISH\VIDEO_TS\swordfish.avs
type=0
frame_first=0
frame_last=142829
encode_first=0
encode_last=142829

Now start up IfoUpdate, select the IFO file of the VTS set you're currently processing in the Original IFO path line (don't worry about Authored IFO path and Backup IFO path for now), and select File - Save Chapter Files (.chp) from the menu. You'll get to a screen looking like this:

First select a path for your chapter files.

Then check CCE Chapter Point (FILM) and press the Save button. This will create one text file for each PGC the currently selected VTS set has. VTS_01_0.IFO returned the following 4 files:

PGC01-CCE-FILM.TXT
PGC02-CCE-FILM.TXT
PGC03-CCE-FILM.TXT
PGC03-CCE-FILM.TXT

Copy all those files to the folder of your VTS1 video, audio and subtitle files.

Then repeat this process for every VTS set.

In case you're re-authoring by VOB ID you will also have to check Chaps for VOBID (Scenarist). This will create an additional 3 files, of which VOBID-ALL-CCE-FILM.TXT will be useful to you as it contains the chapter points for CCE.

Once you're done close IfoUpdate again.

Now you have to open your .ECL file using a text editor like notepad and locate the first section which looks approximately like this:

[file]
name=D:\TRAINING_DAY\VTS1\VTS__01_P01_1.16~9.AVS
type=0
frame_first=0
frame_last=18904
encode_first=0
encode_last=18904

As you can see from the name this is VTS1 PGC1. Now locate PGC01-CCE-FILM.TXT in your VTS1 folder and open it with a text editor as well. Then copy and paste the content of PGC01-CCE-FILM.TXT below the encode_last=18904 line in the ecl. If there's just one line in the text file IfoUpdate has created there's no need to copy it. In fact, many extras do not have chapters which makes your job a lot easier. In case you're re-authoring by VOB ID you can take the chapter position relative to a VOB ID in the VOBID-ALL-CCE-FILM.TXT file.

Repeat this process for every file you're encoding, that is add the chapter positions to each file you're encoding. A [file] section followed by name= will help you identify the next movie file in the ecl. In the end an .Ecl section for one PGC might look like this (I took this example from another movie):

[file]
name=D:\SWORDFISH\VIDEO_TS\swordfish.avs
type=0
frame_first=0
frame_last=142829
encode_first=0
encode_last=142829
chapter=0:
chapter=5860:
chapter=11877:
chapter=16979:
chapter=21775:

Also add the following line to the [item] section of each file you're encoding:

vbr_bias=30

Where you replace the value of 30 according to your bitrate. The higher your bitrate the higher this factor. For a bitrate of 4000kbit/s you'd use a bias of 40, for a bitrate of 3000kbit/s you'd use a bias of 30, etc. Trilight has compiled a nice page outlining how the bias can be chosen.

Once you're done save the .Ecl again, start up CCE, select File - Open and pick your .Ecl file. The CCE window will then look like this:

Once you've added all your video files press encode to get started. You are not required to save the project file when being asked to.



Once encoding is done let's prepare for the 2nd pass. I once again suggest that you create an appropriate profile for this situation. In fact you can use the old profiles and just edit them a bit.

One thing that has to be changed is the Mode. Set it to Multipass VBR.

Further down you can now configure the bitrate:

Set the average bitrate to your desired bitrate. For extras I suggest a bitrate of 1800 - 2000 kbit/s along with 3 passes or more.

The minimum bitrate should be 0, the maximum bitrate can be calculated as follows: 9800 - total audio bitrate. As an example if you have 1 2.0 kbit/s AC3 track (192kbit/s), 2 5.1 kbit/s AC3 tracks (384kbit/s each) you'd get to a max bitrate of 9800 - 192 - 2*384 = 8840 kbit/s. If you're wondering what bitrate a certain audio track has you can use a software DVD player.



An example using PowerDVD XP: Start up the application, press the open button and select Media Files, select your AC3 and press OK. Now right click in the video area, select properties, click on the configuration tab and you'll see something like this:

Normally you'd want to encode the extras first, author them and then calculate the bitrate of the main movie in order to use the DVD to its full capacity. Thus, after creating profiles for the 2nd pass you'll start adding videos to CCE again. Once done press OK twice to get back to the main screen and repeat this procedure for every file you're going to encode then press the Encode button to get started.

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This document was last updated on August 9, 2005

[manono]

Hi-

Do i take into account all audio, subs and menus and deduct that from my video size?

Yes, and you also have to figure in the muxing overhead as well. Frequent contributer borax has given a rough estimation in another thread:

Totalsize_in_MB = Videosize_in_MB + Audiosize_in_MB + (VideoDuration_in_seconds * 0.011) + some MBs for menus if any.

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=278684

[romi7519]

rebuilder can do custom scripts check avs options

Tried DVD-RB hence the long winded way now.

@ ricoman & manono

thanx a lot. will get back to you guys soon!

cheers!

[romi7519]

Hey guys, its me again. Back from finishing my encode using the above guide by ricoman.

It worked out perfect! Hit the nail on the head, got a final size of 4.35GB.

I just wanted to add that in the guide (I know its old) but for others who may want to do the same, it talks about celltimes (chapter points).

There's no need to do that step. I extracted celltimes when I demuxed the streams using VobEdit.

After the encoding finished, I just muxed using MuxMan and added the celltimes.txt file for chapters.

Once again, thanks for all the help!

[romi7519]

Hi all!

I'm back with another question.

The encodes are taking a long long time so I was wondering, can I encode to Lagarith and then use that to feed to CCE to make things faster?

Cheers!

[manono]

Hi-

If all you're doing is an IVTC, then there shouldn't be any real reason for it to take so long, unless you're running a lot of passes. Maybe post your script here.

I use Lagarith a lot to make a lossless AVI before then sending that to CCE, but that's with some pretty slow filtering in the script followed by 4 CCE passes. Lagarith itself decodes pretty slowly. But yes, under the right circumstances, making a lossless AVI can save a lot of time overall.

[romi7519]

^ yes I'm using slow filters and one of your 'special' IVTC scripts with 4 passes too.
thanx for the reply, I will go ahead and use lags.

[romi7519]

@ manono

can you pls explain to me how to work out V/C in CCE. The link in the guide is dead.

cheers!

[manono]

You could try reading the manual to find out what it does. A lot of people leave it at default. I change it to "0".

[romi7519]

V/C default was 30, i've changed it to 25. like the defaults in dvd-rb.

also i have read at many places that cce max bitrate shouldn't be set any higher than 8000 as it may spike.

is that correct and do u recommend i change it 8000?

[manono]

You're asking me? I make my max bitrates very close to the maximum possible, taking into account the audio bitrate, the subs, and the muxing overhead. This always means my max bitrate is way higher than 8000, usually 9500-9800. Other people might give you other answers.

[romi7519]

^ hmm, so you have no problems I assume. Ive been setting it somewhere ~ 9300. so far so good. guess i'll carry on until i get a prob. cheers for the input.