my svcd = blocky blocky blocky..PLEASE HELP!!!!!

[Silveron]

Ok, I am ripping using Decripter to extract the vobs,DVDtoAVI to get wav and project file, then Tmpegec to make the mpeg. I am tring to Rip the movie Clue. I have used several guides off many site, (mostly all the same settings wise)no matter what I use it always comes out blocky as hell on dark colors.

Also, Clue is Letterbox by defalt and I REALLY want to keep it letterbox. In DVDtoAVI it says its 16:9 but if I use that setting in Tmpeg it becomes WS.

More Info...
Tmpegec Video tab, Aspect Ratio is 4:3 - in gray
So to for Clue to stay letterbox just like it is, I set the Advanced Tab, Source Aspect Ratio to 1:1. Any other setting changes the movie from Letterbox to WS. I used VCDHelps BitRate Calc for a 96min movie on 2 80mins cds came out to be 2015 as min bitrate and I put that in as well.

If anyone can help me fix it so they are not blocky on dark colors please, please, please help me.....

I don't really give a damn what progs or what is the easiest why to do SVCD. I want QUALITY, so I don't care how long it takes or how many apps I have to run to get it.

Thanks to all in advance.

Silveron

Oh if ya need any moree info that I didn't put in post please just ask...

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[wildcatfan]

what you need to do is set the SOURCE aspect ratio under advanced to 16:9. Then in the video page the aspect ratio should be 4:3 (this is the one for the video you are creating) and also you should have an option to preserve aspect ratio. This will automatically resize it so that the 16:9 is letterboxed into a 4:3 frame. Presto.

Michael

[Silveron]

Ya, tried that a while back. All it does is Replace the thin letterbox lines the movie already has with thicker lines. Didn't change blockyness at all.

[shochan]

do you use 2pass vbr? try cce 2.50 you can get it at http://www.vcdsp.com and frame serve it from flaskmpeg via avisynch. in cce you can set it to do as many passes as you want like 3 or 4 instead of 2. I think cce is better for SVCD. you should give it a shot.

[ralfbeckers]

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On 2001-07-06 18:47:37, Silveron wrote:

changes the movie from Letterbox to WS. I used VCDHelps BitRate Calc for a 96min movie on 2 80mins cds came out to be 2015 as min bitrate and I put that in as well.

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2015 kbps is TOO low for good quality MPEG-2. Have you determined the maximum bit rate your DVD player sustains for SVCDs?

Maybe my observations with various bit rates halep you:
http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDname=434&Search=Search&list=0

Ralf

[VidGuy]

Ralf, with all due respect - stop telling people what's too low, because you're not doing them a favor and you are incorrect (You've said this same kind of stuff in a couple of other forums, and I cannot hold my fingers back any longer). 2015 kbps is definitely NOT too low for good quality MPeg-2.
If you use VBR, which is what MPEG-2 was made for, and use CCE as the encoder, I can make an excellent looking SVCD using 1300 kbps Avg and 2400 Max.

[patrickm]

i think you should also be using the "show at center" video arrange method. i forget whether you want the 'keep aspect ratio' or not, but you could just do the math and use center/custom size and pick 480x(360)?

[Truman]

Ralf, I read your post (dvd player list) and now I understand. Since you make XSVCD 704x576, you need a higher video bitrate. Usually peoples talk about SVCD mean 480x480/576.
Anyway, I think high resolution is a good choise, but TMPG is probably not THE software to use for that.
Try CCE 704/720x576 MPEG-2 VBR 2-4pass 1600avg/2500max.
Probably that makes you happy.

[stanwebber]

cinemacraft has a higher precision of user definable bitrate allocation than any other encoder. the simplest way to get rid of blocks in dark areas is to adjust the quality slider closer to the flat setting, although the most effective approach would be tweaking the bitrate range and complexity bias on a per scene basis

[homerpez]

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On 2001-07-08 15:04:05, VidGuy wrote:
Ralf, with all due respect - stop telling people what's too low, because you're not doing them a favor and you are incorrect (You've said this same kind of stuff in a couple of other forums, and I cannot hold my fingers back any longer). 2015 kbps is definitely NOT too low for good quality MPeg-2.
If you use VBR, which is what MPEG-2 was made for, and use CCE as the encoder, I can make an excellent looking SVCD using 1300 kbps Avg and 2400 Max.
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This is so true and I'll tell you why... ever look at the "info" in a program like SpeedRipper? It will display the DVD information like resolution/bitrate for that cell or whole disc... you'll notice that for a whole DVD, the average will often be only 1300-1500k bitrate (depending on the title) plus the audio tracks. Remember, this is from the SOURCE DVD!

The key is usually how well the DVD is encoded (probably 3 or 4 passes at least, with a hardware encoder), and a MAX bitrate that's higher (for those high-motion detailed scenes). I would imagine that SVCD's can have a similar sucess rate (though I can never ever figure out how to make an interlaced DVD rip properly to a 29.976 framerate SVCD without "lines" visible, so I always stick to VCD's)

[VidGuy]

Homerpez - You can make an interlaced SVCD, but you will always see the lines unless you watch it on a TV. If you want to watch on a computer, then you need to either de-interlace, inverse telecine (if the original source was film), or just do VCD....

As far as a DVD rip, since most of them are film source, you can normally just use DVD2AVI with "FORCED FILM" option to rip it - you'll actually get better looking VCDs if you do this and encode the VCD at 23.976 instead of 29.97 (I've seen some sites that say 23.976 is OK for VCD others that say it isn't - bottom line, it works fine in my player).

You can also use TMPGEnc's 3:2 pulldown on playback option to make an SVCD that looks good on both computer and TV.

[Xitanium]

well, id like this guy to do some samples, 720x576, 480x576, and 352x576... i cant tell the difference between them (in all but a very few scenes).... also, TMPGEnc is not as good as CCE when it comes to SVCD.