Make it more difficult to burn

[freestyla981]

im not lookin for full protection of my dvd because I have come to understand that is impossible, all that i want is a way to stop a 13 year old from burning it with out any type of ripping software. How do the large companys do it? (this is a self produced ski movie by the way)[/url][/i]

[Nelson37]

First, duck, second, do a forum search. Several possibilities, none perfect.

[redwudz]

Just using a program like DVDShrink will defeat most DVD encryption done on a 'home' level. If Sony can't do it, you have no chance at all.

If you present your video on a website that allows people to download it at a reasonable cost, then that is about all you can do. Sure, a few people will copy it and distribute it for free, but there's not a lot you can do about that. You need to depend on your loyal customers to do the right thing and pay the fee you ask for download. The others are just the price of doing business on the internet. If this is a problem, then only offer the file on a DVD or CD that is sent to them. They may still copy and distribute it, but that will be a lot less than exposing it to the internet.

Even so, some will abuse it and copy it. If the majority of your customers pay, that's about as good as it gets. Sorry.

[guns1inger]

The very first sticky in this forum ( https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=223640 if it's too hard to find) dedicates 4 pages to ideas on how, and reasons why you can't. Read it first, then see if you think it's worth pursuing.

[Nelson37]

Minor point, but most of those 4 pages are devoted to some sort of rant about exactly what I am not sure. Very little of the post is devoted to the actual subject matter.

There is no perfect solution.

There ARE methods which can be used which would stop simple Shrink or Decrypt methods, and therefore defeat most of the general public.

Unfortunately, discussion of such things here is like bringing up Better Government at an Anarchist's convention. It just goes against the grain.

There ARE legitimate needs for such a thing, on small production products which cannot afford commercial protection. One advantage of the more oddball schemes is that no major effort has been devoted to cracking the protection.

If the point of the video is to serve as a resume and lead to a permanent job or sell other services, then give up and give it away. If the goal is to recoup expenses, pay for the next project, or actually make a few bucks, then some form of simple protection could be useful. Something for which no "one-click" solution exists and the thief would actually have to put some thought into it will probably work well enough.

[Cornucopia]

The [serial#+shuffled program+"corrupted dummy cell"] idea which was mentioned in another recent thread (was it by you, Nelson37?) was a good one. Basically, making it complete "copyable" but more of a bear to decode & watch in regular order, unless one's playing by the rules.

I still think it would be better to just TRUST in others, and move on, living with it if the disc gets abused. Certainly less mental negativity that way.

Scott

[Nelson37]

Yes, that was me, though the "hidden menu" serial was somebody else's from long ago, I think it was Adam. Interesting that the first time I posted it, in a similar thread, the thread was immediately locked, while there was no ranting going on as in the other, current thread.

Trust is essentially a nice thing but it does not put food on the table. It is not necessarily negativity to understand that there are lazy, dishonest people in the world who are quite willing to steal that food from your table. Many will even justify this action in some way, and a few of those even believe their own bullshit. Most are simply thieves, there always have been and always will be. Shoot'em whenever you get the chance.

I mean that literally, and also in the context of this discussion, you have to be willing to prosecute to the fullest extent anyone caught stealling, and understand that they are not engaged in some Utopian Robin Hood action, but are stealing food from the mouths of your children.

[freestyla981]

Ok guys thats, i think you miss interprited me... im not lookin to protect against dvdshrink and all that crap, im just talkin about markin it so that you cant just stick it in and click copy disc, my protection only needs to be 1 level deep pritty much.

[Nelson37]

There is no practical method to achieve this. The best you can do is convince the legitimate owner that if they lend their disk to a thief, and the thief steals it, they could potentially be held criminally liable. You must also make it clear that you are ready, willing, and able to pound their ass into the ground in order to protect your hard-earned property.

Did you read the linked thread, and/or search for other, previous threads on the same subject? Commercial solutions are easily bypassed and very expensive. Software solutions adversely affect compatibility for playback.

[Bjs]

Something worth thinking about from past effort's :

1: damaged sector's , though most information related to this has vanished with time ... may still find info about .

More related to bin image patching / editing ... also related to weak sectors as used by many pc games now .

The simplest method to used , and at little cost :

2 : Grab a copy of "up the creek"

Learn from it and apply the same method's used ...

While they will still beable to copy the disc ... wait till they play it back if dvdshrink is used to rip it .

4 : My favourite :

Using the same technique's as in "up the creek" , I also re-edit the source , move audio from known channel's to other , ie , english become's sweden , ect ... add dummy cell's with different video bitrate's , edit command's to reflect such change's .

The dummy cell's are designed to cause jittery playback in ripped content while flashing the stamp "pirated copy" on screen ... but this only affects dvdshrink .

Add a copy of the original sound track , add high pitch squeel's at odd interval's too annoy the hell out of them , include it as main english stream in dvd ... but this is not the default that is played ... This is designed to give ripper's headache should they use any stream ripping tool's as they will need to identify which is the real deal .

Then you need to locate a method that trip's dvddecryptor up ... those stargate dvd's were a problem .. something to do with missing gop at start of clip's ... dvdxcopy was the only thing able to get past problem at the time they were released .

Once you have the project completed and both dvdshrink and dvddecryptor on there knee's , it should be pretty well safe from most user's .

PS : Add one small video mpeg to audio_ts , video_ts folder's , and one outside ... use nero to burn a data disc , add the video clip , then the two folder's , it will complain and still set book type to dvd-rom ... it is playable , but dvdshrink wont touch it giving atleast project's burn to dvd dl's a chance from being sqeezed to single layer dvd's .

Now to snapple dvddecryptor ... I'll break it's back eventually .

Still got all those tool's from year's gone by , and prepared to waste many dvd blank's till I crack it ... very handy multisession's .

I have one idea that will definetily stuff up dvddecryptor ...

[richdvd]

Ok guys thats, i think you miss interprited me... im not lookin to protect against dvdshrink and all that crap, im just talkin about markin it so that you cant just stick it in and click copy disc, my protection only needs to be 1 level deep pritty much.

It cannot be done....PERIOD.

[Bjs]

Utter rubbish ... and I WILL prove it SOON ...

Only problem is when I release how it's done ... the companies producing and releasing dvd's will see I have been correct all the time .

They in turn will do it , costing them nothing in the process ... and we will all be screwed .