Best way to edit footage from dvd in vegas?

[snapware]

Hi, this has been driving me nuts all week, everytime I think i found a way to do it, there is always something wrong, either the file size is too big, or the file i create vegas doesn't like.

Objective: I'm trying to edit a video show for broadcast, I have a DVD which is a music video, and I'm trying to simply get that video onto my computer, without losing video quality from the original content, so I can edit it in Vegas.

Any ideas please? I have tried simply dragging the vob off the dvd, that works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't, so i'm looking for a method that will work everytime.

[Baldrick]

try vob2mpg or demux the vob to elemantary streams and us it in vegas using for example dvddecrypter,rejig.

[snapware]

Thanks, i will give it a try, and then let you know how it goes

[snapware]

Baldrick, I was getting ready to celebrate because I tried vob2mpg and it worked like a charm on my 1st video, and then i popped in another dvd to try and extract that video and everything looked good, but when i put the .mpg file into Vegas there was no sound, vegas saw the sound waves but it wouldn't play any sound when playing the video, only played a hissing sound

do you have any ideas why?

this is exactly what i did:

- used dvddecrypter in ifo mode to get the .vob onto my harddrive
- used vob2mpg to convert the vob into .mpg file

i'm really not sure why there would be no sound playing from this file, this is so frustrating because i don't understand how the same method works and then doesn't work on another dvd.

[snapware]

also baldrick, i just demuxed a file, and when trying to get it into vegas, the audio portion goes in, but not the video portion

[guns1inger]

Vegas really doesn't like editing mpeg footage. Convert it to DV if you can, or use a dedicated mpeg editor

[snapware]

how do i go about converting the vob to dv? i checked the converstion guides but didn't see any in there

[guns1inger]

virtualdub-mpeg2 (or mod) and the panasonic DV codec. The latest version of virtualdub-mpeg2 might even be able to convert directly now.

[snapware]

thanks guns1nger, i'm going to give it a try 2nite, hopefully things go well!!

I have a quick question if you read this during the day, do you think the DV Files will be much larger than the original .vob?

[guns1inger]

13gb per hour of footage

[snapware]

ahhhhhh!!! LOOKS LIKE GUNS1NGER MIGHT BE THE MAN OF THE YEAR!!!!!!

So far so good, everything is working with the DV footage, only thing is that the video jumps when playing on the computer, any idea why? I checked the field order and it said lower field 1st

[snapware]

interesting.... the DV footage jumps when played on windows media player & powerdvd, BUT if i preview it in Vegas it plays smoothly, any thoughts?

[guns1inger]

I have found that Vegas can sometimes be a bit twitchy with field order. You can set the field order at the project level, and again when rendering. Both of these can be BFF, and you can sometimes still see the wrong field order in the final render. Why ? Because sometimes, for reasons I can't quite workout, and which the 6c update does not fix, the individual clips can sometimes go TFF for no good reason. This seems to be a version 6 problem, and may even have been introduced with 6c. I have seen it on one machine, but never on another, so it is not a consistent problem.

Locate the clip where the jumping is happening, right-click on it and check the clip properties. You should be able to correct the field order there.

[lordsmurf]

Use VirtualDub (MPEG version, or MOD) to convert MPEG to uncompressed AVI.
Edit in Vegas.

Easy.

[snapware]

Smurf, that's what i've been doing working well. I used the panasonic dv codec guns1nger recommended, like it a log.

Guns1inger: What does BFF & TFF stand for? Also is jumpy video always related to the field order of the clip?

[guns1inger]

BFF = Bootom (Lower) Field First
TFF = Top (Upper) Field First

Without seeing what it looks like, hard to be 100%, but it usually is, and I have seen this behaviour in Vegas before.

[snapware]

I made sure that the field order was set to Lower Field 1st, and also when rendering i checked lower field 1st under the video tab, but the video still appears to be jumpy, any ideas what else can possible cause this?

[revlis]

i had the same problem recently. i just changed the extension from .vob to .mpg - opened in vegas, and it worked fine.

[mikiem]

Easy way to work with mpg2 (or VOBs) in Vegas is to use DGIndex & VFAPI. *However*, strongly suggest reviewing rendered footage -- rarely I've had some dropouts using this method, & hopefully this has been cured by newer versions of DGDecode (in DGIndex pkg).

With mpg2 captures (ati mmc 9.13) I'm *trying* another method that *might* be of interest... Still use DGIndex but go thru Avisynth into V/dub & render as mjpeg set to expand colorspace TV -> PC. In Vegas there are several filters that compress the bottom end (darkest colors) upwards to spec, but generally leave the rest of the expanded color range. Seems to improve the picture without worrying as much about blowing out the whites if I just increase contrast (range).

"i just changed the extension from .vob to .mpg "
FWIW, Vegas just doesn't understand VOB, but if you enter the .vob extension in the Vegas registry keys, it will. A hassle for one file, but if you do it often, can be worth it.

RE: Fields, in Vegas you set the clip, project, and render field order, & it can cause prob if (unintentionally) they don't all match. Otherwise Vegas doesn't do a great job of revealing field problems on prev. IMO anyway.

RE: DV codecs, Vegas can be a bit insistant on using it's own DV codec I "think". Might try a test using options dialog for M/Soft DV codec, &/or temporarily disabling Pana version.

Generally guessing :P : Did you account for field order in mpg2 (often top first?) when converting to DV (usually bottom 1st)? If orig. source mpg2 was ~24 with pulldown, did you remove it or encode at full fps?