Why now, Shrink?

[nickelzy]

In the last two years of backing up movies, I have yet to encounter a problem that I couldn't fix, until now. I'm trying to back-up Toy Story 2 like I always do:

Use DVD Decrypter (verison 3.5.4.0)
Use DVD Shrink (version 3.2.0.15)

The first step goes flawless like usual. I use DVD Decrypter and the movie is copied to my hard drive. Then I start to use DVD Shrink and this is where the problem occurs. When trying to read the file (that DVD Decrypter copied) Shrink gives me the error immediately:

DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue
Invalid data in file: e\T2E0NNM\Video_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB

I've never had an issue like this before. Any suggestions?

[ROF]

Toy story 2 has newer encryption technology that the long since expired DVD Decrypter can no longer solve. DVD Decrypter hasn't been updated since last year. Download DVDFab Decrypter and re-rip the disc using it.

[dvdguy4]

Use DVDFab decrypter. That is the re-release of toy story 2 correct? That will have the new protection on it.

[nickelzy]

Thanks guys!! I'm downloading DVDFab right now! I've kind of been out of the loop because everything has been going so well the last couple of years, until now. Has DVDFab now replaced DVD Decrypter as the program to use? DVD Shrink is still alive and kicking, correct?

[funnel71]

The newest version of AnyDVD can help too. Run it while you're using DVD Decrypter, and then you should be able to shrink with no errors.

[jtoolman2000]

Latest DVD Decrypter to rip the whole disk. Then DVDshrink.
My favorite method is very latest ANYDvd ( it is updated within a day or two of any new type of protections shows its ugly head) running in the BG. DVDShrink to rip and shrink Movie only ( Screw the menus and extras, worthless in my mind ) Write to ISO and burn ISO with Decrypter. Resulting in a perfectly burned backup - no errors!.

[ROF]

while I don't use Dvd shrink all that often anymore now that DL discs are pretty cheap I'd still say it's the best to use as long as you don't have to shrink too much. if this is the Toy Story Re-issue I'd recommend not shrinking disc one (the feature film).

[lacywest]

while I don't use Dvd shrink all that often anymore now that DL discs are pretty cheap I'd still say it's the best to use as long as you don't have to shrink too much. if this is the Toy Story Re-issue I'd recommend not shrinking disc one (the feature film).

Best Buy this week is selling Verbatim DVD+R DL ... 10 Pack - $20 bucks

Jan 8th - Jan 15th 2006

[ROF]

They have sold out of them in our two local stores. Fortunately I already enough that I didn't need any.

[jimmalenko]

Has DVDFab now replaced DVD Decrypter as the program to use?

Pretty much.

DVD Shrink is still alive and kicking, correct?

Incorrect. The creator of DVDShrink now works for Ahead (Nero Recode) and as such, development of DVDShrink has also ceased.

[nickelzy]

Thanks guys - DVDFab did the trick! DVDShrink was able to work just like normal.

A question though, is it normal for DVDFab to take an hour to copy a movie? DVD Decrypter was great in that I could rip a movie in about 20 minutes or so. I'm using DVDFab on a movie right now (Hustle and Flow) and it's been going for about an hour and it still has a little longer to go. Not that the speed is that big of a deal, but just wondering.

[ROF]

If the disc is scratched or otherwise not in good condition it may take longer than normal.

[Noahtuck]

Yeah, i had to use DVDFab Decrypter for the new release of TS2 also.

And an hour is WAY too long, for me anyways, but usually scratches don't seem to make a diff. as i have ripped some pretty scuffed disc's pretty fast.
I'd say maybe 10 minutes at the most ?

The one time i did have it hang for a loooooong time was about a week ago, dont remember the disc, but i pulled it out and there was a nice big fingerprint on it wiped it off and it flew right through it.

And i don't want any comments about fringerprints, and you both know who i'm talking to :P

[nickelzy]

The movie, Hustle & Flow, has been going for about 3 hours now and still working...

Toy Story 2 took about an hour. I take it this isn't normal. Any suggestions?

[Noahtuck]

Have you checked the properties of the drives/IDE channels to see if maybe they reverted back to PIO mode from DMA ??

I know this is a commonly known thing but it does happen and i have forgotten to check when i have had this problem a few times.
It's like my brain did not kick in for 30 minutes and then i go DOHH!!!!

And when it reverts back to PIO mode it will slow ripping down to a dead crawl!!!!!!!!!

Or if as i stated earlier there is a fingerprint or something on the disc.....
But 3 hours!!!!!!!

WAAAAAAAY too long!!!!!
Check your properties for the drives in "device manager"

[nickelzy]

I checked the IDE channels and they're DMA. However, as an experiment, I tried putting the disc in my other drive (my generic DVD-ROM drive) and it COOKED through the ripping procedure.

I'm relieved to see this work like it should. However, I'm a little bummed to see that my fairly new Plextor DVD-RW drive (model: PX-716A) was the culprit. I don't understand because whenever I used DVD Decrypter, it ripped movies pretty fast (20 minutes or so).

Any ideas as to why this might be the case?

[Noahtuck]

I checked the IDE channels and they're DMA. However, as an experiment, I tried putting the disc in my other drive (my generic DVD-ROM drive) and it COOKED through the ripping procedure.

Cool!!! Just another bit of proof on my thoughts and experiance over the last few years on using dedicated dvd-roms for ripping instead of dvd burners 8)
And i have had many diff. brands and models of dvd burners and will always use a dvd-rom for ripping above any burner!!!

I'm relieved to see this work like it should. However, I'm a little bummed to see that my fairly new Plextor DVD-RW drive (model: PX-716A) was the culprit. I don't understand because whenever I used DVD Decrypter, it ripped movies pretty fast (20 minutes or so).

Any ideas as to why this might be the case?

Most drives, espc. burners, come with their firmware locked into a low ripping or read speed as you they don't really have to read above 1X-2X to play a pressed dvd, as they are mostly intended for burning, and standard dvd-roms (not burners) seem to be able to read better and faster, and even though burners are alot cheaper nowadays, regardless of what other's say, a seperate dvd-rom is much better for ripping!!

I run my 2 toshiba dvd-rom/ram drives (one which is over 2 years old and reads any disc perfectly) with a speed hack which will let me get read/ripping speeds up to 16X and rip even the most recent protected pressed dvd-rom in mere minutes!! and the BU's always have played Perfectly!!

You can get firmware for pretty much any burner to unlock read & write speeds but even though burners are so cheap, why waste them when you can get a second dvd-rom dedicated to ripping for 20-30 $$ and speed hack it and have it last for years and years 8)

[nickelzy]

Thanks for the info, Noahtuck! I'm happy to be back in business, so to speak. By the way, where would you recommend me going to learn how I can "speed hack" my drive. I don't know anything about this but would love to learn more and more importantly, how to do it! Thanks again -

[NiteLite]

I'm relieved to see this work like it should. However, I'm a little bummed to see that my fairly new Plextor DVD-RW drive (model: PX-716A) was the culprit. I don't understand because whenever I used DVD Decrypter, it ripped movies pretty fast (20 minutes or so).

Any ideas as to why this might be the case?

The 716A is speed locked by default. Hold the eject button in until it blinks 3 times then release. You have now released the lock and it should rip as fast as your system will allow.

[nickelzy]

Thanks NiteLite, I'll give that a try! How about my DVD-Rom drive? Any way to unlock it and increase its speed? It is a Samsung SD-616E.

[SCDVD]

The newest version of AnyDVD can help too. Run it while you're using DVD Decrypter, and then you should be able to shrink with no errors.

I haven't used AnyDVD and I am curious if anyone has had any problems with it causing system problems. Some software drivers can interfere with the system or other applications. Is AnyDVD pretty clean in this respect?

[handyguy]

There is a big sticky: I can't back up this dvd with dvdshrink or dvd decrypter, is the one you need to read but the search isn't operating for me at the moment.

[fritzi93]

Some software drivers can interfere with the system or other applications.

Like DVD43, for instance? I find it useful occasionally, but have disabled the autostart on boot. Yeah, it's a little twitchy. Dunno about AnyDVD, but it's the same idea.

[lacywest]

The newest version of AnyDVD can help too. Run it while you're using DVD Decrypter, and then you should be able to shrink with no errors.

I haven't used AnyDVD and I am curious if anyone has had any problems with it causing system problems. Some software drivers can interfere with the system or other applications. Is AnyDVD pretty clean in this respect?

I recommend you spend the money and get the package deal and buy both CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD at the same time.

I stayed up to 5 AM one night trying to rip a certain DVD Video ... only to find out it was using that new protection called RipGuard.

DVDFab Decrypter ... did the job but I didn't get to keep the Menu.

That is when I decided to buy the package bundle ... AnyDVD & CloneDVD2 ... no more staying up all night.

When AnyDVD is installed [working in the background] ... Use CloneDVD2 to remove the Trailers and the other useless crap and then use your favorite shrinking program ... DVD-RB or DVDShrink ... etc ... etc.

I have 3 computers ... a Dell 5150 laptop ... a MSI/AMD 64 bit system and a MSI mobo/AMD 2600+ / Barton CPU ... they all run fine with AnyDVD.

[Noahtuck]

Thanks NiteLite, I'll give that a try! How about my DVD-Rom drive? Any way to unlock it and increase its speed? It is a Samsung SD-616E.

You could do a search here,

http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php where i get my firmware that unlocks the speed limit on my dvd-roms

Or search cdfreaks http://www.cdfreaks.com, where i got my omnipatcher for making custom firmware for flashing my burners.

Or search google for your drive and see what you can find.

As Nitelite stated about your burner, some you can use little tricks like that and some you actually have to flash the drive with a hacked firmware.

I stayed up to 5 AM one night trying to rip a certain DVD Video ... only to find out it was using that new protection called RipGuard.

DVDFab Decrypter ... did the job but I didn't get to keep the Menu.

Man, if i am having a problem in the first few minutes & it's a new release i figure right away they did something new & just use VobBlanker, i have never had a dvd i could not completely back up using a variety of the same 4 "Free" programs 8)

why would using DVDFab Decrypter keep you from being able to use the original menus ?? I have never had that problem either

I've said it 100 times before and i'm sure i'll say it 1000 times more