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  1. Good news or Bad news for those of you taking side on the format war

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    This is excellent news to anyone interested in next gen disc burning technology. The fact that current production lines can produce these burn once disc should allow the manufacture of relatively cheap discs since production and distro costs will be similiar to the current process.

    No news on blu-ray, the true successor to next gen disc tech, but I'm sure we'll be hearing something soon about those as well.
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    You can bet Blu-Ray will have a high start up cost for producing recordable media.

    Good news for HD-DVD though. Whether you invest in either format will all come down to the cost.
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    Price will take a back burner in deciding which to purchase. Betamax was cheaper than VHS, yet who won that war?

    The deciding factor will be quality, capacity, and market penetration. Given the movie studios and game consoles who have chosen Blu-ray, I think the last one has already been decided. Blu-ray also has a larger capacity and known backwards compatibility. That's number 2 wrapped up by blu-ray. Quality can't be determined at this time, but that one factor will definitely push either format into our livingrooms.

    My bets are on blu-ray, of course for the record, I also bet on betamax as winning the videotape media wars and we all know how that turned out.
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    I think they'll both lose. These will be just like laserdisc and S-VHS. Used, but no mainstream consumer use. It's too early for a new format. Whatever comes out in 2010-2015 will be what is next.

    Video games have no bearing on video.
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    Originally Posted by lordsmurf

    Video games have no bearing on video.
    True, but they do impact back up media choice even moreso then movies. Game discs tend to be mishandled more than movie discs do. I'd say more people back up their gaming software then their video collection.
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    I think they'll both lose.
    I agree. The next will be HVD:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
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    Game discs tend to be mishandled more than movie discs do. I'd say more people back up their gaming software then their video collection.
    you think so? I think it's even more bothersome to backup an xbox game or pc game than it is for a dvd-video.
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  9. I think they'll both lose. These will be just like laserdisc and S-VHS. Used, but no mainstream consumer use. It's too early for a new format. Whatever comes out in 2010-2015 will be what is next.
    I totally agree, most of the average consumers have just switched to DVD in the last couple years and are just starting to transfer their VHS tapes over via DVD recorder/PC
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    Originally Posted by shelbyGT
    Game discs tend to be mishandled more than movie discs do. I'd say more people back up their gaming software then their video collection.
    you think so? I think it's even more bothersome to backup an xbox game or pc game than it is for a dvd-video.
    really? It's easier to backup gaming software then it is to backup movies. The gaming industry hasn't upgraded copy protection in years, unless you count the always online protection some games have adopted.
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    ROF, aside from the PS2 or computer games, it's nearly impossible. Or very hard and complex.

    All those cartridge systems, XBOX, Gamecube, PSP ... that is all non-standard. XBOX does use standard full DVD media, and GC uses the mini DVD, but that's about it. Again, computers and video games have no bearing on video. Same for music to be honest. PC games also have a lot of copy protection garbage on it that is cumbersome.
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    Cartridge based systems aren't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about PC and PS2 games specifically. I've never backed up any of the others since I don't own those systems. I've never had much problem with backing up my media. There was a time back a few years ago when secur-ROM gave people a hard time to backup. Because of issues with end users not even being able to load those games, the secur-ROM system of protection was changed. That was quite sometime ago.

    Where backing up video media can take two or three steps and several clicks, backing up gaming software is a one click process (assuming you have a dual drive system).
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    PS2, xBox, GC - Easy to backup???? Try playing a PS2 backup on an unmodified PS2. Won't work. Try backing up an xBox game on your PC without a modchip & network connection. Won't work. I haven't found anyone who can backup a Gamecube game. period.

    PC games are easy - consoles are definitely harder than DVDs.
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  14. They should've brought together a panel of engineers from both sides, and let them co-develop a single format. Or the whole industry should've decided on ONE FORMAT! And make that format ROYALTY-FREE. Having multiple formats just confuses the consumer, and eventually one will lose and become obsolete. This just makes it worse for the consumer stuck with the obsolete format. Yes I know players should support both formats, but still one of them will be considered obsolete in the future. The whole mess of DVD-R/DVD+R wars is one example of this stupidity!


    I hope the game industry catches up fast this time around, and starts offering PC games on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. It has taken them forever just to offer PC games on DVD-ROM! It is a little too late now, so they might as well start offering games on this next format. I hate getting a PC game that comes on multiple discs. People have had DVD-ROM drives for years now, and they are standard in all pre-built systems today.
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    Video games and porn get drives into the home.
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  16. Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    I think they'll both lose. These will be just like laserdisc and S-VHS. Used, but no mainstream consumer use. It's too early for a new format. Whatever comes out in 2010-2015 will be what is next.
    Laserdisc and S-VHS were essentially novelties. I think BluRay will do better, as consumers have come to expect quick changes in TVs, mobile phones, computers, etc, and the same goes for home entertainment. There wasn't much studio or retailer support for laserdisc or S-VHS, BluRay will be different, but regular DVD will still rule the market for quite a long time, I suspect.
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