Multiple movies in a DVD and 'NEXT' button.

[videsiboy]

I know, the title doesn't explain anything. But thats the best I can come up with for now.

I use Decryptor, Shrink, and Nero, to rip, shrink and write DVDs. Currently learning IFOEdit.

Here is my problem: Sometimes I mix two titles from different DVDs in DVD shrink and backup (reauthor mode). While I play the generated DVD I cannot use the NEXT button on my remote to go to the second movie.
I have to go till end of the first movie and wait for the second movie to start after a brief black out. I tried different options on Shrink to find a solution for this. nothing worked till now.

Is there a way we can achieve this? What software I have to use for this purpose.

Hope I made myself clear.

Thanks in advance.

[reboot]

After Decryptor and Shrink, reauthor in dvdlab or tmpgenc dvd author, then burn in Nero.
Neither will re-encode, and dvdlab can actually import .vob's and join them if needed. You can change/add/remove chapter points also, if you want.

[MackemX]

http://home.tiscali.be/debie.roland/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/previous_chapter/intro.htm

that guide may help but I'm not 100% sure if it tells you how to jump to the next VTS. It can be done though but it may take a little learning but once you learn it's simple

if you want to know more and can't find an answer just ask and I will try to explain what you do when editing the commands and stuff as jumping movies is simple

[videsiboy]

Thanks reboot & MackemX

MackemX's links is what I am EXACTLY looking for. Wonderful.


Well, I might need to learn a lot and might come up with quite a few questions.


Thanks once again.

[MackemX]

thats for jumping back to the previous movie using chapter skip or what I think it is. I don't see where it says it will jump forward to the next title but maybe it's in the guide somewhere

hope it is

[DoubleShadowIce]

@MackemX

It's mentioned on page 5.

Personal note: I'm feeling a lot better.

[lordsmurf]

A large part of not being able to skip VTS is the player itself.

[DoubleShadowIce]

A large part of not being able to skip VTS is the player itself.

I tend to disagree. If the player is the problem then it would have the disability to recognize the NextPGC link command and it's in the DVD Standard Specs that "all" DVD players should be able to do so. The "large part" of not being able to skip VTS is in the configuration of the IFOs.

[jeanl]

A large part of not being able to skip VTS is the player itself.

I agree with DoubleShadowIce, the DVD player has nothing to do with it. Going from one VTS to the next one is a pain in the butt simply because the DVD specs don't allow you to do it directly. YOu can't jump/link from one VTS to the next, not even to the menu!!! You have to go to the VMGM or the FirstPlay PGC, and then you can jump back to the next VTS, which is what 2COOL demonstrates in his guide. Of course this makes authoring that much more complex.
Sometimes the DVD specs can drive you nuts, but we have to do with it...

Jeanl

[MackemX]

can you not return to a Menu PGC within the current VTS then jump to another VTS that way?

[jeanl]

can you not return to a Menu PGC within the current VTS then jump to another VTS that way?

You can go to a menu PGC in the same VTS, but even from a menu you can't jump to a menu in another VTS. Check in PgcEdit, when you enter a command, you can see which ones are legit and which ones are not...
It's a royal pain in the butt...
Jeanl

[MackemX]

I'm confused, you are saying you can't jump to another menu?

I'm thought you can jump from a menu in one VTS to another VTS menu directly

http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/jumpss.php

Command: JumpSS
This command jumps to a PGC in the system space which can be one of the following:

First-Play PGC.
Title menu in the Video Manager.
Entry PGC in the Video Manager.
Root menu of a Video Title Set.
Subpicture menu of a Video Title Set.
Audio menu of a Video Title Set.
Angle menu of a Video Title Set.
Chapter menu of a Video Title Set.

DVDRemake allows you to enter a command of this type so one of them is wrong

[jeanl]

I'm confused, you are saying you can't jump to another menu?

I'm thought you can jump from a menu in one VTS to another VTS menu directly

http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/jumpss.php

Command: JumpSS
This command jumps to a PGC in the system space which can be one of the following:

First-Play PGC.
Title menu in the Video Manager.
Entry PGC in the Video Manager.
Root menu of a Video Title Set.
Subpicture menu of a Video Title Set.
Audio menu of a Video Title Set.
Angle menu of a Video Title Set.
Chapter menu of a Video Title Set.

DVDRemake allows you to enter a command of this type so one of them is wrong

well, one of them is wrong!!! you're right! And I don't know which one! I would tend to believe PgcEdit (very thoroughly tested, both programwise and spec-wise), and DVD-replica is known to have erroneous info in places (but I'm not sure whether this is one such case)... Besides, I've never seen this command used in commercial DVDs (they all jump to the VMGM and then back to another VTS)...
I'll check and get back to you!
Jeanl

[jeanl]

OK Check this graphic. Does not seem to allow such jumps...
Jeanl

[MackemX]

yeah, I see it but you can do it . DVD LAB PRO also allows you to enter the VM command. I just created a test DVD using that. It plays the root menu from VTS 1 and the post command tells it to jump to VTS 2 root menu and it does

I tested the playback with PowerDVD (which doesn't say much) but then Mark's Tray DVD player also played it without complaining

guess they are wrong to allow it then

what's stupid is why be able to specify the VTS if you cannot go to another VTS?

[MackemX]

Ifoedit plays the DVD also but PGCEdit trace reports an illegal command

I guess the JumpSS VTSM command is only allowed in the VMG domain if that's the case. DVD players playing it still must just be a stroke of luck

if that's the case then it means DVDRemake shouldn't be allowing this command optoin in a VTS menu as Mark's Player not picking up the illegal command

[jeanl]

yeah, I see it but you can do it .
what's stupid is why be able to specify the VTS if you cannot go to another VTS?

I think that's because the command is meant to be used in the first play PGC or the VMGM...
I'm amazed though, that you got it to work. I really thinks it's illegal... The ultimate test is on a standalone, I'll try that tonight...
Jeanl

[jeanl]

Ifoedit plays the DVD also but PGCEdit trace reports an illegal command

I guess the JumpSS VTSM command is only allowed in the VMG domain if that's the case. DVD players playing it still must just be a stroke of luck

if that's the case then it means DVDRemake shouldn't be allowing this command optoin in a VTS menu as Mark's Player not picking up the illegal command

I agree with you that DVD remake should not allow that. I wish it were legit! It's such a pain to have to ping/pong through the VMG to go from VTS to VTS, it would much much simpler if you could use the command in the menu domain as well...
Jeanl

[jeanl]

MackemX,
I made a quick test and I can confirm that the JumpSS VTSM command is executed in PowerDVD, even when it's placed in the menu domain of a VTS. That's totally bizarre. I'll make a test on my standalone to see if it honors it or not...
Jeanl

[MackemX]

strange isn't it . Like I said I was expecting Mark's Tray Player to complain but it also played it without error

let me know how you get on with your standalone

[jeanl]

strange isn't it . Like I said I was expecting Mark's Tray Player to complain but it also played it without error

let me know how you get on with your standalone

Mark's tray player is based on the direct-show DVD player. I'm not sure what that tells you! I'll ask the question on doom9 where r0lZ is active, see what comes up...
Jeanl

[jeanl]

OK I can confirm that the command does work in my sampo standalone player. I can jump from the menu domain of VTS1, to the menu domain of VTS2 directly.
I'm not too sure what to make of all this...
Jeanl

[lordsmurf]

A large part of not being able to skip VTS is the player itself.

I tend to disagree. If the player is the problem then it would have the disability to recognize the NextPGC link command and it's in the DVD Standard Specs that "all" DVD players should be able to do so. The "large part" of not being able to skip VTS is in the configuration of the IFOs.

Then please explain this to my TOSHIBA 2800, which can skip VTS and ignores most PUOs.

As well as to my Cyberhome that sees PUOs where none exist, and will sometimes refuse to acknowledge unlinked (to menu) tracks, or even skip from track to track when the NextPGC is set correctly.

Again, like I said, the player has some degree of control here.

Practice vs theory (and rules).

[MackemX]

OK I can confirm that the command does work in my sampo standalone player. I can jump from the menu domain of VTS1, to the menu domain of VTS2 directly.
I'm not too sure what to make of all this...
Jeanl

I was right, you were wrong? :P. Nah, kidding as I've also been reading the Doom9 thread

@all, bottom line is the maybe the specs are there and going by those it's impossible. If one or and player doesn't follow them to the exact word, so that's we we get the differences of opinion as it then is possible (out of spec)

so it's another nobody is right and nobody is wrong

if you are reading this then you are either quoting me which is cheating or you have copied this text into a word document, which is it?

[jeanl]

A large part of not being able to skip VTS is the player itself.

I tend to disagree. If the player is the problem then it would have the disability to recognize the NextPGC link command and it's in the DVD Standard Specs that "all" DVD players should be able to do so. The "large part" of not being able to skip VTS is in the configuration of the IFOs.

Then please explain this to my TOSHIBA 2800, which can skip VTS and ignores most PUOs.

As well as to my Cyberhome that sees PUOs where none exist, and will sometimes refuse to acknowledge unlinked (to menu) tracks, or even skip from track to track when the NextPGC is set correctly.

Again, like I said, the player has some degree of control here.

Practice vs theory (and rules).

You have a player that ignores most of the PUOs? That's great! You're very lucky!
I see your point. My understanding is that the spec is sooo confusing to begin with (I've had a chance to look at it, and it's a nightmare) that players indeed vary in the way they handle certain situations...
As far as jumping from one VTS straight to another one, I yet have to find one commercial DVD that does it without going through the VMG.
Anyway, I think we've beaten that horse to death!
Jeanl

[DoubleShadowIce]

Then please explain this to my TOSHIBA 2800, which can skip VTS and ignores most PUOs.

As well as to my Cyberhome that sees PUOs where none exist, and will sometimes refuse to acknowledge unlinked (to menu) tracks, or even skip from track to track when the NextPGC is set correctly.

You do know that VOBs can contain PUOS, right?

Again, like I said, the player has some degree of control here.

Of course, but I was challenging your "A large part ... ". Now, you say it's "some".

[lordsmurf]

Large part, small part .... semantics .... it's a "part" that's important enough to be easily noticed and mentioned.

I don't need the DVD spec quoted to me, I know how it works. But I also know the player seemingly has some sort of "selective decision making" in how it reacts to discs. Many aspect are like this, from image quality to audio, etc.

[jeanl]

OK r0lZ (the author of PgcEdit) checked whether his Sony player allowed jumps from VTSM to VTSM and the answer is it does not. See this.

What would be the appropriate way to tell the author of DVDLab pro to fix this? I don't have the soft, and I don't know who the author is...
Jeanl

[MackemX]

http://www.mediachance.com/contact.htm

the PRO forum is here
http://www.mmbforums.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=24

you may also want to contact Mark (Markham) about his player. He may just want to leave it the way it is but who knows

[jeanl]

http://www.mediachance.com/contact.htm

you may also want to contact Mark about his player. He may just want to leave it the way it is but who knows

Thanks for the pointer. I don't think Mark can do anything about it (if he's still using M$'s direct-show DVD engine), because that does not give you that level of access (in typical M$ manner)...
Jeanl