Burn 8X with 4X disks?

[ddr]

How du i manage to do that? i have tryed in DVD decryptor but it does not work.
I want to try because i have a 8X burner

[ripit]

Unless I am mistaken, it is just a mater of luck, not something you can force. Certain burner/firmware/media/burning software combinations will burn disks faster than they are rated, just like some combinations will burn slower than the media is rated, like it or not. If you find a combination that does burn faster, it will continue to burn faster assuming that you can continue to get the same disks (some companies will put diffrent disks from diffrent manufactures in the same box with the same label). Try searching the forum for the model of your drive and certain media combinations. Another place to look would be to go to dvd media under other on the left side of the screen. List your dvd player but leave the media type blank. Then click on view coments for various brands of media. Coments for that media burnt with your drive will be highlighted (it comes up yellow in my browser).

[Werble]

Has anyone stopped to think for a moment that all dvd's can be written to at 8x but the companies have speed ratings to get more money out of you each time they claim to have faster burning disks? Could it be all marketing and not just technological advancements?

[masterpug0]

i have a sony du500a internal 4x dvd+/- burner with firmware 1.0f. I always get twice the burn speed out of the generic dvd-r media (silver top/purple bottom) from www.yesbuy.net! You heard me right! I used to buy 1x, but got 2x speed, last 100spindle of 2x I got for $50 and they all burn at 4x!!! No coasters and over 50blanks used so far...pretty sweet deal. doesn't sound like sony will have firmware upgrade to make my burner go to 8x, so end of line for me. at 4x, full disc burns 13-15min with these 2x media. i use decryptor, nero, nero recode, recordnow max, ulead products, sonic mydvd, and others...all work 4x write w/2x media.

[masterpug0]

should mention when i upgraded to newer sony firmware, some media didn't work at all and I completely lost the advantage of twice burn speeds mentioned in previous post, so i downgraded back to old firmware and all is good!

[lordsmurf]

Has anyone stopped to think for a moment that all dvd's can be written to at 8x but the companies have speed ratings to get more money out of you each time they claim to have faster burning disks? Could it be all marketing and not just technological advancements?

This is a nice thought, but entirely untrue.

[gmatov]

Smurf,

Could it be Werble is as paranoid on this as I am? Could it be why some of my old CD-Rs, rated 24X, will burn 48-52 on my newer burners?

Could it be why burners came out 1, 2, 4, 6, 8X, etc., month after month?

Could it be why you buy a 2 MP camera, a 3 comes out, same camera, but you can't upgrade, have to buy the new one.

BTW, Kodak just announced their new line would be upgradeable, if so they may take over the market, or the rest will say "Oh, we'll do that, too, don't abandon us.".

As the guy said, "Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean the bastards aren't out to get me.".

Why WILL 1X burn at 2, and 2 at 4, etc., otherwise? A few bits on the blank say 1X, a firmware says ignore that, burn at 2, and it works? If it's just telling the laser to get hotter and faster, then the capability was there from the git go.

Maybe they had to refine their algorithms, release this 1X while we work on this, get some sales, market share, when we get this fixed we'll either sell 'em a new one or release the new firmware.

Anything is possible, but us paranoids always look at the dark side.

Cheers,

George

edit: this could be a hell of an interesting thread. Maybe I'll start one in OT, unless you beat me to it. If you do, PM me to look for it.

Hey, polls are always a hit, here. Maybe even a better idea. Everyone wants to have his vote counted.

[Werble]

Couldn't have said it any better myself George.

[Werble]

Another thought...why is it that all media have some kind of coding on them that lets the burner know at what speed can be written to it? If firmware can allow users to burn 8x on 4x media then isn't it fair to say that it could have been written at the speed all along as George had mentioned? Could it be that these companies are purposely not allowing the full burn speed of both the media and the burner itself to ensure future sales as these so called newer burners come out? Paraniod? Maybe. Or maybe I am just someone that doesn't like to get the run around as my money is rapidly being depleted from my wallet to get the "latest technology" that I may already have.

[gmatov]

Werble,

Can't be just 2 of us "nutcases" that think vendors/manufacturers could do this to us, could there?

I think 60 some thou members, now, and 3 posters, 2 say yes and Lordsmurf says no conspiracy possible.

Patrick Stewart and Mel Gibson?

Cheers,

George

[lordsmurf]

Then go ahead and burn them at that speed. Then enjoy your dismal results. Most 1x media fail at 2x. Some 2x media will burn 4x by firmware flaw, but fail at burn.

BY all means, go for it.

But 1x DVD is like 32x CD speed (I think that's the correct numbers).
At 4x DVD, you're hitting what 128x CD?
So 8x would be 256x CD speed?

Apples to oranges comparison. Look at the tech. CD and DVD cannot be compared in any manner.

It's rated there for a purpose. Now, it is possiboe for the rating to be make a max for the tech at the time. The 4x RITEK were made when 4x was max speed.... can they burn higher? Maybe. Maybe not. AS an excuse to make more money? Maybe in a few cases, but not i most, I'd say definitely not.

[Werble]

I am sure that if more people read these posts, there would be more believers out there. After all, who would have thought that tobacco manufacturers like phillip morris would put addictive chemicals into their cigarrettes so that people would get hooked and buy more cigarrettes? Then of course we find out that it was true. Same thing here only with technology. Goerge, lets start a revolution. What do you say? LOL.

[Werble]

Lordsmurf, if there weren't limitations placed by the coding of each media disk and firmware, I bet we all could write at 8x. That's my whole point, you can't burn at these speeds even though we all probably have that capability because of manufacturer imposed limitations. It's like region coding DVD's or macrovision to prevent copying of DVD's. Manufacturers do this to get the most $$$ possible and control us. Of course there are hacks to get around these DVD limitations. I sure hope there are hacks to lift burn speed restrictions of all burners. Even if we couldn't write 8x to 4x media, I am sure there is a way to get 4x burners to burn at 8x on the new 8x media via firmware upgrade without having to purchase a new 8x burner.

[gmatov]

1X DVD is 9X CD, 1.35Meg DVD, 150K, CD.

There is an updated firmware for the LiteOn 411S, to make an 811S, 4X to 8X. I have a 4 and an 8, a buddy has a 4, wants to go to 8, doesn't understand the flash from bootdisk process, wants me to help, might do it, or turn out to be an unhelpful prick.

As a paranoid, I can believe it. Some of the youngsters here don't recall when Intel declocked their CPUs because they weren't selling at their inflated prices. 486SX was actually a 486DX with traces laser cut to remove the "floating point processor unit", the FPU. And, with some of their regular output, they were, and still are today, rejects from what they hope to produce.

Hey, they have a billion dollar foundry, dedicated to 90nm tech, 3.2ghz CPUs and are still selling 1.8s? Bull. It is because your CPU, at 1.8, date of production Feb. 29, 2004, failed testing all the way down to 1.8GHZ. You, in other words, bought a reject, in any other market it would have got shitcanned, but in the Computer World, hey, a 1.8 for only a hundred bucks? Wow!!!

Why should DVDs be anything different? Stamp a million, test one every 10,000, say, yep, this one's good, don't know about the other 9,999, you buy a 100 pack, say 99 0f them were garbage. And, worse, come to a forum and spread it as gospel.

Only TY, only Ritek, only RicohJPN, only Maxell, whatever. Some people get set in their ways. No sin. They have bought a 100 pack spindle, burnt 90 coasters, of course you will swear at them, not by them.

Someone else buys CMC whatever, swears by them, some of you tell them they're suicidal, those are pure garbage.

I have a tech mag (not my sub, the IT from my daughter's work site left, the sub still runs, she gives them to me because noone else understands them) that says the DVD mfgs are increasing their total output to about 50% more than the world's demand, which is about 1.8 billion per year. The mfgs say they can knock about 5 cents per disk off production costs by getting them up from 80% good product to 90% good product.

That alone should alert you to how bad the media is. 20% is downright so bad they don't ship it, how much of the rest is borderline, "Well, it burns at 1X, lable it and send it out with the 4X lable, maybe we won't get too many back. Lots of people think it's their burning technique that's the problem, don't you read the forums?"

Kinda like tainted hamburger. If you can put off a recall, no notification, chances are it'll all be et before they know it can make them sick.

Ah, well, some pipple think it's all their fault, some think there's only ONE TRUE MEDIUM, some of us get the stuff for 40 cents a disk, burn, are pleased with the result, and say some of YUNZ might be the paranoids.

But I'm still paranoid, don't get that part wrong. I think Werble might be, too.

Cheers,

George

I always wanted to write a book, think I have the first chapter done.

[masterpug0]

all i can say is never get a coaster with yesbuy.net generic 2x dvd-r's burning "max" at true 4x (13-15min full burn) every writing/authoring proggie i've used in conjunction with sony du500a/firmware 1.0f. BUT, here's the thing that drives home previous "consipiracy" theory: when upgraded to newer sony firmware, no longer able to obtain faster burns than disc labeled!!! why's that? also, here's another stumper: remember how awhile back princo/tdk,etc had issues where different manufacturer? well, with old firmware burned princo's and tdk's or whatever ones were the issue, but after firmware upgrade no longer would burn that type of media at all...AND sony firmware upgrade documentation actually said one of the reasons for upgrade was better media detection,etc. hmmm...sound political. my sony burner is a great product, but somethin' fishy about these burn speeds and firmware differences. just stick to the older firmwares and all is well.

[gmatov]

Mpug,

Oh-oh, we're coming out of the woodwork, are we?

Closet paranoids!

Raise a question, and the "I swear by this...." gang says "Well, actually, I do get too many coasters, at a buck + per each."

Join the club, pal. That makes 3 of us so far. Pret'near 60,000 to go, just on this site. We need recruits.

Cheers,

George

[Werble]

Hey George, looks like the revolution has just begun.

[ViRaL1]

To an extent I have to agree with the conspiracy theorists. I do understand the reasons behind rating media when it first comes out, especially when you want to stress that it's capable of burning at the max speed available at the time of release (i.e. 4x discs were the 'best' when the 4x drives were the fastest available). But when you consider that a large portion of that '4x' media burns just fine at 8x on many of the new drives, and probably with the same frequency and reliability as they do on 4x (I see tons of posts from users with 4x drives that won't burn 4x on 'XBrand' media). What if media wasn't rated? What if the drives themselves were the sole determination of how fast a blank would burn? I have a Cendyne / Pioneer 105. It's a 4x drive and I've been able to get in on some of the deals for name brand media like Sony, TDK or Memorex for well below $1 a disc. But the bulk of the media I own and burn for my own personal use is either 1x rated Princo or 1x rated KHypermedia. The Princos have gotten so-so reviews and I'm sure I don't even have to talk about the KHypermedia reviews. I admit I was a naysayer when it came to good burns with high reliability on these discs. I'd always kept up with the new firmware rreleases from Pioneer, but a couple of months ago, I downloaded 2x4All for my 105 and all of a sudden, in addition the new 12x rip speed, I'm burning 2x easily and reliably without a coaster for well over 100 discs between both brands. I do agree that there is SOME quality control when a MFR decides to rate their discs at a lower speed to guarantee reliability at the 'Rated' speed and so they decide to stamp it 4x instead of 8x, but it's hard to believe that there isn't some level of greed involved in keeping the ratings down. After all, if almost any media out today would burn 4x on 4x burners and over 1/2 could burn 8x on 8x burners, you can imagine what that would do to drive DVD media prices down to just above CD media prices. Now that I think about it, keeping CD media and burners out on the market is probably another driving factor.

Things that make you go 'Hmmmm'

[fritzi93]

I confess I don't have sufficient knowledge about this to make a specific comment. But if you live long enough, you should learn to be suspicious. How many of you are familiar with the phrase "planned obsolescence"? Should be interesting to see where this one goes.

George, you're home-grown western Pennsylvanian alright. "YUNZ" (?!) (Translation for the rest of you: You'uns) :P

[gmatov]

Fritzie,

Thanks for the planned obsolescenc bit. Automobile term, originally, just change the chrome for a 3 year body life, then change everything, "Ain't you ashamed to be running that 4 year old car?" The youngsters here probably don't know in our day you financed a car for 3 years, not like the 7 today.

So, every 3 years, a new model car. Today, all the cars look like they came off the same line, the same jelly bean mold.

20 miles southeast of Pittsburgh, born on this same patch of ground 59 years ago. Plan to die here, if my youngest doesn't force me to build a little house behind the big house they're building about a mile from here. Wow, the newest g'son will be only 5 minutes away. Might get a chance to spoil him.

Cheers,

George