dvd pal to dvd ntsc with dvd2svcd/cce?

[ams30gts]

im trying to convert a pal dvd to a ntsc dvd with the programs dvd2svcd and cce

i can do it no problem dvd9-dvd5 (ntsc-ntsc). but cant seem to figure out how to change it with dvd2svcd/cce

any help would be great

[johns0]

For pal conversion to ntsc what i do is check the edit the avisynth script file in frameserver tab in edit as part of video encoding,when the sound is finished encoding then a box will come up with the avisynth settings,add
AssumeFPS(23.976) to settings and click ok,then when the files have finished encoding then stop dvd2svcd before it starts muxing the files,then use pulldown.exe with gui and open the encoded pal mpv with it and get it to add the 2:3 pulldown,then use besweet with gui and encode the mp2 with the change framerate (25fps to 23.976fps) and encode to that,then use bbmeg to mux the 2 files you created,check the finished mpg and if you have to remux with delay if needed.Also you might need to adjust the add borders so AddBorders(0,72,0,72) looks like AddBorders(0,60,0,60) for wide screen pal.

[ams30gts]

wont the video still be encoded as 720x576?

[johns0]

Change the size in the avisynth script box to 720x480.

[ams30gts]

ok. will try that

thanx

[ams30gts]

this is what the avisynth script box has


LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("D:\New Folder\DVD2AVI_Project_file.d2v")
BicubicResize(720,432,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)



should it be like this?

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("D:\New Folder\DVD2AVI_Project_file.d2v")
BicubicResize(720,480,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)
AssumeFPS(23.976)

[FulciLives]

If you are converting PAL to NTSC then you need the final size to be 720x480 and your scripts, either one, will make a size of 720x576 which is NOT what you want.

Also it looks like your script is trying to convert 16x9 into 4:3 which again doesn't make much sense.

If the PAL is 4:3 or 16x9 it doesn't matter ... once you resize the PAL from 720x576 to 720x480 it will be JUST FINE. It the original PAL was 4:3 so too will the NTSC ... if the original PAL was 16x9 so too will be the NTSC.

So there is no need to try and convert 16x9 PAL to 4:3 NTSC

It is possible to convert a widescreen 4:3 PAL to 16x9 NTSC but that is a bit "tricky"

Anyways the script as is looks wrong to me but I don't use DVD2SVCD so maybe I'm "missing" something.

Try this (assuming the source is PAL progressive):

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL") 
mpeg2source("D:\New Folder\DVD2AVI_Project_file.d2v") 
LanczosResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)

That's really all there is to it.

Again if the original PAL was 16x9 so will the new NTSC version and if the original PAL was 4:3 so will the new NTSC version.

If you want to convert a 4:3 PAL to a 16x9 NTSC then you would use this script:

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL") 
mpeg2source("D:\New Folder\DVD2AVI_Project_file.d2v") 
crop(0,72,720,432)
LanczosResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)

Remember that the original 4:3 PAL must have an aspect ratio of at least 1.78:1 otherwise when you cut off the top and bottom you will be cutting more than just black off and will be cutting "into" the actual image.

Hope this helps

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
I'm very nearly 100% positive that my first script is correct. I'm not 100% on the second script (4:3 PAL to 16x9 NTSC) but I think it is correct. Been a while since I had to do that type of PAL to NTSC conversion.

[ams30gts]

the reason im using dvd2svcd is because my source is 2 dvds. i want to put it on 1. and it is easy to do that through dvd2svcd

[ams30gts]

finished encoding with this avs

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL") 
mpeg2source("D:\New Folder\DVD2AVI_Project_file.d2v") 
LanczosResize(720,480) 
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)

i did pulldown and encoded the audio as well. everything is perfect except for the streached pic


and pic is streached vertically a lot. where did i go wrong?

[FulciLives]

finished encoding with this avs

*** code edited out ***

i did pulldown and encoded the audio as well. everything is perfect except for the streached pic

and pic is streached vertically a lot. where did i go wrong?

Well my guess is that the original DVD is 16x9 anamorphic enhanced. Such DVD videos are "squeezed" or "stretched" in the way you are describing.

When you encode in CCE you can pick 16x9 or 4:3

To the best of my knowledge all this does is FLAG the video file with the aspect ratio you pick. Most DVD authoring programs will read this aspect ratio flag and then flag the video accordingly. When you author a 16x9 video file as 16x9 it stays "squeezed" or "stretched" if you will but this will be expanded to fill a 16x9 TV display. If you are watching it on a 4:3 TV then it will be resized into a 4:3 widescreen image. Either way it will look correct.

One problem you might encounter ...

If the video is 16x9 anamorphic enhanced but you selected 4:3 as the aspect ratio (while encoding in CCE) then your DVD authoring software will probably set itself up for 4:3 and it will not work properly as it should. Some DVD authoring programs may let you change this but some do not. I think you can use PULLDOWN.EXE to change the flag though so if you did encoded it as 4:3 you can change it to 16x9

Hope this makes sense ... let me know if you need more guidence

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ams30gts]

YGPM FulciLives

[FulciLives]

According to the readme file that comes with PULLDOWN.EXE

command line instruction:

pulldown.exe source.m2v target.m2v -aspect_ratio 16:9

That should apply 3:2 pulldown to a 23.976fps progressive video AND set the aspect ratio flag to 16x9

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ams30gts]

you rock m8. just finished it and worked perfect. hopefully someone else but me can learn from this

[ams30gts]

how do i add in black borders in now?

did i have to do that when encoding?


addborders(0,60,0,60) pal right?

addborders(0,72,0,72) ntsc right?

[johns0]

Also you might need to adjust the add borders so AddBorders(0,72,0,72) looks like AddBorders(0,60,0,60) for wide screen pal.

pal borders are 72
ntsc borders are 60

BicubicResize(720,480,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
AssumeFPS(23.976)

[ams30gts]

question still stands..

so do i have to recode the whole thing to add borders?

[johns0]

Yup.

[FulciLives]

I already sent a pm to user ams30gts about this but just to set the record straight there is no need in this situation to add borders.

The original PAL DVD was 16x9 anamorphic enhanced. All ams30gts did (as far as resizing goes) was resize the PAL DVD from 720x576 to 720x480

So the new NTSC video is now also 16x9 anamorphic enhanced. No borders are needed.

As for the script provided by user johns0 ...

BicubicResize(720,480,0.0,0.6) 
AddBorders(0,60,0,60) 
AssumeFPS(23.976)

Sorry but this is wrong. This will give you a resolution of 720x600

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ams30gts]

i noticed that the script was wrong. so what i did was subtract 120 (60 and 60) for the borders from 480. hopefully this will encode correctly.

i want to add the borders because, during playback, you can see two different shades of black. one darker andone lighter. no biggie as it is not needed, just want to do it for myself

this is the code that i used:

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL") 
mpeg2source("D:\sourcevideo.m2v") 
LanczosResize(720,360,0.0,0.6) 
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)

[johns0]

Sorry about that,should of been
BicubicResize(720,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
AssumeFPS(23.976)
as you know anyways
If the movie is anomorphic dvd2svcd should give you the option to encode as such without borders in the dropdown box.

[ams30gts]

i noticed that the script was wrong. so what i did was subtract 120 (60 and 60) for the borders from 480. hopefully this will encode correctly.

i want to add the borders because, during playback, you can see two different shades of black. one darker andone lighter. no biggie as it is not needed, just want to do it for myself

this is the code that i used:

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL") 
mpeg2source("D:\sourcevideo.m2v") 
LanczosResize(720,360,0.0,0.6) 
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)

now after doing it with this code...after using pulldown, the video looks squished. since it was encoded as 4:3 with borders, then i used pulldown to make it 16:9 with borders, is that the reason it is squished>?

[johns0]

Try using BilinearResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976)
with no borders,the dvd might be 4:3 to begin with.When dvd2avi is running look at the preview tab to see if it is 4:3 or 16:9.To get dvd2avi to show right click on the taskbar where you see it and choose restore.

[ams30gts]

now theres another problem.

i made a 2 dvd rip onto 1 dvd. both were encoded seperatley with exactly the same settings

when authoring.

disc1 is fine and in sync (by itself)
disc2 is fine and in sync (by itself)

but when i try and put both of them together on same disc, the 2nd disc is out of sync. im using tmpgenc dvd author. when adding disc2 in the program it says:

* Audio existance differs from the present track

The existance of audio differs from the present track
The existance of audio has to be standardized on the track

The audio is on the present track



and the help file says this:

For a standard DVD, the existence of audio has to be standardized on the track.
Whether or not audio is present on the track is determined by the file first added to the track.
Please make sure that the audio settings has been correctly setup in the "Clip edit" window.

Please add another track (using "Source setup"), add to a different track, or make a new DVD as a new project.

Or, please capture the clip with the same audio format as the audio format in the track.

[ams30gts]

i dont understand what it means by it has to be standardized

[FulciLives]

Well did you try adding the 2nd DVD as another track or are both under just one track as two seperate files?

It sounds like (based on the documentation you quoted) that it will work if both are seperate tracks rather than two files on a single track.

Are you sure both have the exact same audio properties? Maybe one is 5.1 and one is 2.0 or maybe one is AC-3 and one is MP2 or something like that.

I don't know.

Just some thoughts.

I pretty much gave up on this after all the resizing methods got a bit too "crazy" for me. You guys made it harder than it had to be!

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ams30gts]

never thought of putting 2 tracks. i was trying to put 2 files on 1 track. gonna try it now.

[ams30gts]

worked perfect. thanx. finally done. thanx for all the help guys. rip came out perfect

[FulciLives]

worked perfect. thanx. finally done. thanx for all the help guys. rip came out perfect

Glad you got it to work

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[ams30gts]

uhoh. when the end of track1 ends, the dvd just stops without going to track2.

how do i fix this now?

[ams30gts]

nm