video and an audio track on a CDr

[efiste2]

is it possible to put a video (vcd that will play on most dvd players) and a standalone audio track (that would play in any cd player) onto one CDR

[edsmith77]

efiste2,
such that if you put the cdr in a cd player it would skip the video track and just play the audio and conversely, the video player would skip the audio track and just play the video.
In summary, I do not think that is possible but I have never tried it, personally.
But lets think this through. If I can find some method to put the video track on first then the audio track second what would most likely happen. The CD player would not recognize the disk since it could not find an audio track. I did this once by accident, I put a vcd into my "purely" cd music player and it just did not work. However, the video player would most likely find the video and play that just fine. However, it would most likely not find the audio track since it is not a properly formatted video track. But then there are those video players that will play, mp3s from cdrs. Hmmmmmm. Maybe some possibilities there. Just have not experimented with this option.
Now reversing the track order. The cd player would find the audio and play that but not the video. Same conclusions for the video player (save the one that can do both).
So it seems that there is some hope. At least room for experimenting.

Now how would a person create such a disc? It would obviously have to be a multisession disc. For the video track you would need a burning program that would only burn the track without finalizing the disc (that is allowing it to remain recordable) so that you could then add the audio track, later. I know that I can make an audio disc and continually add tracks to it without any problems and without finalizing. I have not tried this with video tracks. Good idea, will try this tonite.

So the bottom line is that I would not hold out a lot of hope here.

[Cornucopia]

Contrary to what edsmith77 said, YES you can!

The standard VCD spec allows for standard RedBook AudioCD tracks to follow the VCD's ISO track and MPEG video tracks (as a SINGLE session).
There are a few caveats:

1. Not all VCD authoring/burning apps have this capability.
2. Some players will not play the disc correctly (no matter what you do)
3. On most audioCD players, to reach the audio, you must skip the non-audio tracks.

The last one isn't that big of a deal, since the great majority of those that see a track at all will mute it. And the 1st one can be gotten around.

There have been many threads here on this subject as well as guides.
Do a search on "Video CD" together with "CDDA" and I bet you find much.

HTH,
Scott

[edsmith77]

Cornucopia,
Not to start a war but I did not see in any of your comments a "Yes you can" (save one). But you then followed it up with:

1. Not all VCD authoring/burning apps have this capability.
2. Some players will not play the disc correctly (no matter what you do)
3. On most audioCD players, to reach the audio, you must skip the non-audio tracks.

This doesn't sound real positive to me. In fact my previous comments reflected your 3 points albeit not shown in numerical order.

[Cornucopia]

Have you even looked at those past posts?

Ok, here's a couple of apps that can expressly do this sort of thing:

1. Phillips VCDToolkit 2.0 (the standard!)
2. Roxio Toast (Mac app)
3. Roxio WinOnCD
4. Roxio VideoPack

Others, such as VCDEasy, can do it up to the point of adding the audio tracks, then you have to insert them "manually" by editing the cue sheet.
Then this would be burned by CDRWin or Fireburner or VCDEasy, etc.

Of course, IIWY, I wouldn't try doing this until I were clear on all the intricacies of CD tracks.

However, I have SUCCESSFULLY burned quite a few of these type discs. All that's needed is to write on the back cover, "skip tracks ## if playing in a standard AudioCD player". That's not a big deal to figure out, even for Granny! They're gonna use the remote to skip to their favorite tracks anyway.

BTW, you may have used phrases similar to what I said, but you wrapped them up in FUD and that's not steering the original poster in the right direction. He/She can decide after burning a disc, if this type is appropriate for his/her needs, but you ought to at least let someone know that the opportunity DOES exist. If you don't really know yourself, then you should refrain from posting or be honest and and say "I don't know".
Sheesh!

Scott

[vitualis]

As what Cornucopia wrote.

The VCD standard as per white book allows for CD-DA tracks on a VCD.

Audio CD players have no problems at all with these discs... but depending on how intellegent the player is, you may have to manually skip the audio tracks first.

In summary, I do not think that is possible but I have never tried it, personally.

@ edsmith77: in the future, if you have the above sentiment, it perhaps is worthwhile doing some research before arguing on the technicalities... CD-DA tracks is possible on VCDs and there has even been a guide on it for a very long time: https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113432

Regards.