DVDBackup/DVD2One vs. Osex/Sizzle--which is better?

[terryj]

Ok, still working on my japanese w/english subtitled dvd.
I downloaded and read GALACTICA's manual on
DVDBackup/DVD2One, and it seems like in full disc mode
to dvd-r, this might be the way to go for me.

But, i'd thought i'd ask before I plunk down $60 US,
as the Osex and Sizzle methods have worked for
me all this time:

1. What advantages would I gain using DVDBackup/DVD2ONE
over Osex/Sizzle/ From what I read in GALACTICA's manual,
the same amount of time I spend the way I do it now on my
Dual 1.0 G4, would be equal to DVDBackup/DVD2One.

2. Does the full disc backup to dvd-r REALLy work?
Anyone tried it with great success? mendium success?
How is the quality of the main movie?

3. Is the way it processes VOBs instead of Osex's way
of elementary streams going to give me greater compression?
I tried to backup my copy of the Recruit I paid 14.99 for
at Wal-Mart before loaning it out, and the OSex rip was
at 6.25 GB! I had to use Mpeg2dec to get it to movie and then
recompress through QT Pro to make a backup.
Is DVDBackup/DVD2One better at that scenario?

Thanks for any and all help and advice!

[ZeroSix]

you are asking for a comparison of two completely different concepts.

Using DVD Backup and DVD2One will compress any size of DVD to fit on one disc. The quality will be compensated however.

Using 0Sex and Sizzle will allow you to rip your dvd to your hard disk in a variety of ways: Program stream ,elementary stream, image, etc, and sizzle allows you to add custom chapter markers and re-author as DVD.

Using 0Sex and Sizzle means you can do this for free. However, if your movie is 7GB you will need to use two discs. This is a royal pain. If you want to retain the original menus, it takes a lot of work. This is ideal if you want to save a buck and do not care if most of your movies span two discs.

Using DVD Backup and DVD2One is the best option if you do not care about slight quality loss.

It is ideal to have both methods at your disposal depending on your needs.

For example, you have a single layered disc that doesnt have squat for special features and you dont care about the menu. In this case you would use 0Sex to rip the disc, and Sizzle to author it if yo uwant to. Or you can just rip the DVD folder from 0Sex and author it in Toast.

Now if you have a dual layed disc that contains a longer movie or has a lot of special features you would like to retain, then using DVD Backup and DVD2One would be your best bet.

[terryj]

you are asking for a comparison of two completely different concepts.

It was my understanding however, that the end result was the same:
backing up a DVD, whether as DVD-9 to DVD-5, or DVD-9 to two
DVD-5, so this is why I was aksing a comparison based on the end result.

Using DVD Backup and DVD2One will compress any size of DVD to fit on one disc. The quality will be compensated however.

Using 0Sex and Sizzle will allow you to rip your dvd to your hard disk in a variety of ways: Program stream ,elementary stream, image, etc, and sizzle allows you to add custom chapter markers and re-author as DVD.

Using 0Sex and Sizzle means you can do this for free. However, if your movie is 7GB you will need to use two discs. This is a royal pain. If you want to retain the original menus, it takes a lot of work. This is ideal if you want to save a buck and do not care if most of your movies span two discs.

Using DVD Backup and DVD2One is the best option if you do not care about slight quality loss.

Comparable to...Would the resulting backed up disc be comparable
to near DVD quality, High end DIVX quality, or VCD quality?

It is ideal to have both methods at your disposal depending on your needs.

For example, you have a single layered disc that doesnt have squat for special features and you dont care about the menu. In this case you would use 0Sex to rip the disc, and Sizzle to author it if yo uwant to. Or you can just rip the DVD folder from 0Sex and author it in Toast.

Now if you have a dual layed disc that contains a longer movie or has a lot of special features you would like to retain, then using DVD Backup and DVD2One would be your best bet.

Ok, for that I understand the purpose of having both.
Comparable to say, having Photoshop and Graphic Converter.
( ie. you have an image you may only need to convert from
.tiff to .bmp for a freind on a PC. You run it through GC, and
it makes a .bmp file easy. But if said friend wanted you to change
the color of the shirt he is wearing in the picture, and then make
it a .bmp file, you would need Photoshop.)

Each tool has its own respects for different aspects of backing up.
The end result is the same, but you would use each in its own circumstances.

now ZeroSix, one last question, to you and to anyone viewing this post:
How does DVDBackup/DVD2ONE handle subtitles?
Is it best to forgo backing up any movies with subtitles?
Can using DVDBackup/DVD2One to disccopy, rather than movie copy,
even in theory, handle subtitles?

This would be what hinges me on buying the product or not.

[g4jedi]

I have sucessfully backed up 10 of my DVDs using DVDBackup and DVD2OneX. The quality loss is MINIMAL. I'm telling you, most people won't be able to tell the difference. I can barely tell the difference myself, and I have a keen eye. DVD2OneX handles angles, languages and subtitles just fine when you do a complete DVD copy, which is what I do every time. I think it uses the least amount of compression on the main movie too. I highly recommend DVDBackup and DVD2OneX. It's the least hassle. Also, FYI regarding Sizzle, I don't know about the new version, but with the previous version, the authored DVD would not fast forward in Sony DVD players. Others had the problem confirmed by this forum, so it wasn't just me.

[galactica]

Ok, still working on my japanese w/english subtitled dvd.
I downloaded and read GALACTICA's manual on
DVDBackup/DVD2One, and it seems like in full disc mode
to dvd-r, this might be the way to go for me.

Great! hope you got it before it was shut down. I moved ISP's so i have to rehost those pages which ill get to shortly

But, i'd thought i'd ask before I plunk down $60 US,
as the Osex and Sizzle methods have worked for
me all this time:

1. What advantages would I gain using DVDBackup/DVD2ONE
over Osex/Sizzle/ From what I read in GALACTICA's manual,
the same amount of time I spend the way I do it now on my
Dual 1.0 G4, would be equal to DVDBackup/DVD2One.

1. DVDbackup is the best extractor for OSX when it comes to removing CSS encryption and region settings. DVD2ONE will then compress this if you will so it fits to a dvd r (4.4 gigs)
2. OSEX/SIZZLE wouldnt be a good way for several reasons
a. most dvd's wont fit since they would be over 4.4. gigs
b. its easier to just rip with either OSEX or DVDbackup and then just burn with toast.

2. Does the full disc backup to dvd-r REALLy work?
Anyone tried it with great success? mendium success?
How is the quality of the main movie?

yea, it works. loss of quality is minimal. you will notice it say on a 52 inch plasma screen but not on a normal tv.

3. Is the way it processes VOBs instead of Osex's way
of elementary streams going to give me greater compression?
I tried to backup my copy of the Recruit I paid 14.99 for
at Wal-Mart before loaning it out, and the OSex rip was
at 6.25 GB! I had to use Mpeg2dec to get it to movie and then
recompress through QT Pro to make a backup.
Is DVDBackup/DVD2One better at that scenario?

Thanks for any and all help and advice!

Thats the beauty of dvd2one mate! Most dvd's i back up are well over 6.25 GB in fact most are 7 ot 8 gigs!!!

you wont be sorry for getting dvd2one!!!

[terryj]

Also, FYI regarding Sizzle, I don't know about the new version, but with the previous version, the authored DVD would not fast forward in Sony DVD players. Others had the problem confirmed by this forum, so it wasn't just me.

thank you for your comments G4.
The authored DVDs and VCDs
I did with Sizzle 0.1 I could fast forward
in my RCA 5240, a really rock solid player.
(see my review in DVD players). from what I
read in DVD Players review section, the Sonys
seem to be the most picky players, IMHO.
The new version of Sizzle, 0.5 needs some work though.

Stick with Sizzle 0.1 until 0.5 get its authoring
bugs worked out, most notably menu
buttons are limited and don't work right.

[terryj]

Great! hope you got it before it was shut down. I moved ISP's so i have to rehost those pages which ill get to shortly

Yes I did, thank You Galactica!

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Thats the beauty of dvd2one mate! Most dvd's i back up are well over 6.25 GB in fact most are 7 ot 8 gigs!!!

you wont be sorry for getting dvd2one!!!

Well that's three for three, so I'll give a try and get it tonight.
Thanks Galactica, and everyone else!

[ZeroSix]

the quality loss using DVD2One CAN be ***CAN BE*** minimal. It all depends on your source video and your compression method. If you have a movie that is 5.4 GB by itself, sure, you wont notice the quality loss. But if the movie itself is 8.4GB, it is silly to think otherwise.

To the best of my understanding, DVD2OneX has no problems handling subtitles. But i cannot say how and for sure because i never use them.

Hope this helps.

[the future]

DVD2oneX is by far the most convenient tool we have. Full disc mode is just what it sounds like, it plays exactly like the original DVD. I always use movie only mode, though, as I usually don't need the extras + the picture starts immediately (no annoying trailers, piracy warnings, menus...). Movie only mode handels subtitles perfectly as well, you can choose to keep any subtitle track you like (or all, of course), just as you can choose which audio tracks to keep. The quality is usually excellent, you won't be able to tell the difference to the original most of the times. Quality depends on how good the original disc was encoded, though, so very rarely the quality will suffer visibly. I backed up maybe 50 DVDs and experienced this problem in exactly 2 cases (Independence Day + Gosford Park). In other words: get it, you won't regret it.

[g4jedi]

terryj,
Yeah, I have noticed that Sony DVD players are getting bad reviews here. Mine is over 3 1/2 years old. It works perfectly on original media. Although, I wish I had waited another month to buy it. They started coming out with DVD players that could play CD-Rs and CD-RWs. My Sony has never been able to play ANY of those. I was really surpised that it even played DVD-Rs. It plays them great actaully. As long as they are dark purple on the back. It likes Apple and Ritek brand DVD-Rs. I don't know what the deal is with Sizzle though. The Sizzle authored DVD's play just fine, but if you try to fast forward, it freezes, like still pause. Yet the same video clip authored with CaptyDVD plays and fast forwards fine. And of course iDVD movies work perfect as well. I suspect there is something odd aboiut the way Sizzle authors a DVD. I can't wait for Toast 6!!!! It might be the answer to my prayers as far as authoring DVDs from downloaded mpeg files.

[Dunnyman]

Oh yeah, DVD Backup and DVD2One make a good combo for me. Sure, you're paying for DVD2One, but it's well worth it. I've backed up literally dozens of titles, and on a 32 inch flat screen SONY WEGA, I can BARELY tell the difference, the only issue is with a movie with lots of very dark scenes, as black areas do tend to pixelate a bit, but not bad for the most part. The menus seem to suffer the most in compressing, but I don't watch movies for the menus... :P
DVDBackup is also EXCELLENT on it's own if your movie is under 4.7 gigs by itself, have zero trouble there.
Now blank discs, well, that's a whole other story.....

[g4jedi]

"Now blank discs, well, that's a whole other story....."

Boy, you can say that again. I just learned that lesson the hard way. I cannot buy cheap-o brand DVD-Rs. My Sony will only play the dark purple ones (such as Apple or Ritek). I just bought 50 cheap-os off eBay for $50. They were advertised as "purple backed" but when I got them, they were more of a "pink" color. They burned just fine, but the Sony player didn't like them at all. If the disk would even load, it would eventually cause a C:13 error.

Back on topic, I do love DVD Backup and DVD2OneX!!!! It is true, the menus and extras do suffer a little on some disks, but the main movie always looks great on a normal sized TV. We'll see how I feel if I EVER get a bigger TV than the 10 year old 27" that we have now.

[terryj]

"Now blank discs, well, that's a whole other story....."

Boy, you can say that again. I just learned that lesson the hard way. I cannot buy cheap-o brand DVD-Rs. My Sony will only play the dark purple ones (such as Apple or Ritek). I just bought 50 cheap-os off eBay for $50. They were advertised as "purple backed" but when I got them, they were more of a "pink" color. They burned just fine, but the Sony player didn't like them at all. If the disk would even load, it would eventually cause a C:13 error.

G4,
have you tried the Samsung/BeAll brand from Meritline.com?
they are purple on the back, and can be bought for good prices
( last I bought , 50 for $1.72 each w/ jewel cases)
and work as great as the apple branded media ( and even are
reccommended by Pioneer.)..something to check out.

Back on topic, I do love DVD Backup and DVD2OneX!!!! It is true, the menus and extras do suffer a little on some disks,

ok, this suffering I assume is due to compression of the all the extra
movie files ( menus) and for the mini movies ( trailers, making of stuff)
that usually populate the disc, and in no means causes the menus NAVIGATION itself to suffer? Reason for again: if I buy it, and I backup
my new devilman disc for my bro, will he be able to navigate the
menus to turn on "japanese language w/english subtitles", or
will the disc error out?
Unfortuantely, this looks like it will be
my main sticking point on TO BUY or NOT TO BUY, because
that is the what I'm running into in just trying to rip with
Osex and Sizzle. Since I cannot get the subtitles off this disc,
and there is no english language track, I'm hoping that a full disc copy
will restore then menu structure, and somehow enable the ability
to utilize the subtitles. In theory, I'm guessing this is possible.

[g4jedi]

By "suffer" I only mean in IMAGE QUALITY and NOT functionality. A DVD ripped through DVDBackup then DVD2OneX will work the exact same way as the original, it's just recompressed to fit on a DVD-R. DVD2OneX tries to use the least amount of image compression on the main movie if it can. Trust us! Get DVD2OneX! You won't be sorry!

[galactica]

To the best of my understanding, DVD2OneX has no problems handling subtitles. But i cannot say how and for sure because i never use them.

Hope this helps.

Never had a problem with the subtitles. In Movie only mode you just choose the language you want from those avaliable. Disk copy does them all. Its by far the easiest way to make a movie only copy with a subtitle!!!

[Raman30]

Okay guys.. I know some of this stuff has been covered.. and I have tried to research it all.. and now my head is filled with jargon that is turning into a migraine lol.

I know commercial DVD’s are encoded and you need to use an extractor/decompresser such as Osex or DVDbackup.

For the next step you use DVD2One or Sizzle to compress to DVD-RW or DVD+RW media.

To burn you use Toast etc.

I have iMovie and Final Cut Pro, and I also have iDVD and DVD Studio Pro.

My questions are:

1. Can iMovie and Final Cut Pro be used instead of DVD2One?
2. Can I use iDVD or DVD Studio Pro instead of toast?

Next, what if I only want one chapter from a particular DVD? How do I isolate that chapter? Do I use miraizon Cinematize for this?

Finally, lets say a DVD has a region code from south american and I extract it and want to rip it on a north american region player? Is this possible?

[galactica]

I have iMovie and Final Cut Pro, and I also have iDVD and DVD Studio Pro.

My questions are:

1. Can iMovie and Final Cut Pro be used instead of DVD2One?

Not entirely sure, but even if you could it woudl take WAY longer and be MUCH more of a headache than just using DVD2ONE.

2. Can I use iDVD or DVD Studio Pro instead of toast?

Anything is possible really, the question is WHY? You got it down to a VIDEO_TS folder, then just burn with toast, why make more of a headache.

Now, if you want to do some serious editing, adding parts, deleting parts etc your questions are about the only way to go. though, dvd studio pro would be my choice, not FCP or iMovie.

Next, what if I only want one chapter from a particular DVD? How do I isolate that chapter? Do I use miraizon Cinematize for this?

OSeX you can select single chapters, then just export to yoru desired file type.

Finally, lets say a DVD has a region code from south american and I extract it and want to rip it on a north american region player? Is this possible?

As long as your drive can read teh south american region code, yes. I think a dvd drive can or at least it will tell you something about how you either can or how many times you can do it before you have to pick a final region setting etc. There possibly are region free cracks, but thats up to your particular dvd drive.

[Raman30]

Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions Galactica.

If I use OSex to extract on chapter, does it extract the audio file along with it?

Let's say I want to extract various chapters and then make a compilation.. I would continue to save it as VIDEO_TS?

[terryj]

If I use OSex to extract on chapter, does it extract the audio file along with it?

Let's say I want to extract various chapters and then make a compilation.. I would continue to save it as VIDEO_TS?

Here's what I did recently on a rip of Batman and Robin,
as I wanted a copy without the whole Batgirl subplot.
Using OSex, you would go in:

Select First the Title with the Chapters you want, usually longest running.
Next, make sure you have all the chapters checked.
Next select the audio stream 6 Ch, or 2 CH EN which ever.

Extract as Elementary streams.

Once done, take the .mv1 file to MPEG2DECX to make a QT .MOV file.
Once done, take the audio to MAC3DEC and make a 48khz 16bit AIFF.

Open the AIFF in QT PRO. Open the QT .MOV in QT PRO.
Select all the .MOV, and copy to the clipboard.
Slect the .AIFF, and go EDIT-->ADD SCALED.
Save as QT .MOV, non dependent.

CLOSE.
OPEN new .MOV file.

Play to make sure audio is in sync.

Then,
Select scenes you DONT want using the grey slider arrows, then hit
the delete key to delete.
What is left if your scenes down to what you want and nothing else.

You could go then even further, and cut apart the movie and make smaller movies to import into iMovie.

[terryj]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who reccomended DVD2One.
I got it, and backed up my Japanese w/english subtitles DVD
last night in disccopy mode, and it went without a hitch!
I played back in DVD Player before burning in Toast,
as mentioned in *GALACTICA's MANUAL* and it worked great,
menus were fine, and I could select the subtitles!!

I have to say, well worth the investment!
Why didn't someone think of this software years ago?


thanks again everyone!

[galactica]

the program itself has been out for quite some time.
Its just recently new to OSX.

It is a total life saver, before that, i wouldnt even dream of backing up a dvd unless it was commerically a dvd5.

glad my how to's could help.

[Raman30]

Hi Terry

Extract as Elementary streams.

Once done, take the .mv1 file to MPEG2DECX to make a QT .MOV file.
Once done, take the audio to MAC3DEC and make a 48khz 16bit AIFF.

Open the AIFF in QT PRO. Open the QT .MOV in QT PRO.
Select all the .MOV, and copy to the clipboard.
Slect the .AIFF, and go EDIT-->ADD SCALED.
Save as QT .MOV, non dependent.

CLOSE.
OPEN new .MOV file.

------ What would happen if I just extracted the chapter as a quicktime movie in OSex instead of Elementary streams?

[Raman30]

Okay never mind.. I tried that and it did not work.

Let me recap. What I am trying to do is extract individual files from a various DVDs inorder to make one DVD.. I have already extracted various chapters along with it's audio files using OSex to my hard drive, which is giving me a video file in .m2v and an audio file ac3.

Since I am not simply backing up a DVD, what is my next step?

Terryj you suggested I convert the .m2v file to .mov and ac3 file to aiff and cut and paste it in quicktime. Is this the best route to go for making a DVD-R? I know somewhere along the line I need to add menus as well.. so I am a bit lost.

Raman

[galactica]

You simply need to compile the dvd image.
Use sizzle
1. go to Chapters, set to .m2v, browse for your .m2v and select
2. go to AUDIO, set to .ac3 and set settings
3. go BACK to chapters, choose AUDIO TRACK with pulldown menu, choose you .ac3
4. choose your output folder, and your temp folder
5 go to Disc tab, set the settings to your particular video

then Create Disk Image

done! you now have a disk image of the dvd
Enjoy

[geek rock]

just another post for the "loving DVD2ONE" bandwagon

i've ripped several DVD9 DVDs and converted them down to DVD-R size with DVD2ONE and the quality is superb.

does anybody know exactly how DVD2ONE does its re-encoding? it's damn fast. yesterday i converted an 8GB DVD down to 4.7 GB in about 45 minutes (this is on a 1Ghz G4).

i'm toying with the idea of encoding my own MPEG files and using DVDSP to make a 9GB DVD image, then using DVD2ONE to transcode this down to 4.7 GB. anybody tried this? what sort of results can you expect? (quality-wise, i mean. obviously my source material isn't film stock like it is with most of the commercial DVDs i've ripped.)

-Mark

[BernieR]

Okay never mind.. I tried that and it did not work.

Let me recap. What I am trying to do is extract individual files from a various DVDs inorder to make one DVD.. I have already extracted various chapters along with it's audio files using OSex to my hard drive, which is giving me a video file in .m2v and an audio file ac3.

Since I am not simply backing up a DVD, what is my next step?

Terryj you suggested I convert the .m2v file to .mov and ac3 file to aiff and cut and paste it in quicktime. Is this the best route to go for making a DVD-R? I know somewhere along the line I need to add menus as well.. so I am a bit lost.

Raman

Why dont you try this program? It is free for thirty days and the customer support is REALLY good!...... I found it to work in most situations for pulling out chapters of dvds convert to QT files. This might work VERY well if the new Toast 6 will accept ANY QT file and make a DVD out of it as it says in the pro0mo.... we shall see sooooon!


http://www.miraizon.com/


Bernie

[Raman30]

Hi Guys.. this is an old post.. back then I was learning prior to buying a machine with a DVD burner in it.. To recap,

I am not extracting whole DVD's I am using OSex to extract certain chapters of various concerts... into .m2v and .ac3 files. Then I am taking it into DVD studio pro to make chapters titles etc. Now the AC3 file extracted by OSex are not recognisable.. either by DVD studio pro or the Apack software that comes with DVD studio pro.

However if I take the file into Mac3dec and convert it into a 48 Khz AIFF file, DVD studio pro recognises it.... but it is a hassle

So what's up with OSex? Can anyone shed light on this please.

[patent10021]

I get 'Error in processing file 'VTS_01_0.VOB' with DVDBackup on every DVD9 disc I try to rip. And when I use OSEX for the same dics OSEx quits after processing briefly. It's like OSEX is recognizing the same error that DVDBackup is but OSEx just has a different method of "quiting"/returning an error"

GrrrR

I hate DVD ripping on Macs.


DP G5
Panther

[patent10021]

OMG !!

None of you guys told me that I had to play the DVD first.
I thought that would have been the most obvious thing to tell me
on order to make sure DVDBackup works.

LOL :P

I found this simple advise on some independent guys pdf guide.

It's the FIRST thing he mentions. You MUST play the DVD first for a few seconds or if it's the first time you have ever played the DVD player on your new computer. This sets the region authentication.

[galactica]

Its sort of understood since the dvd insertion shoudl open dvd player automatically