Newbie time! What is bitsetting?

[Anthony2816]

Well? What is it?

[tompika]

Too lazy...?

[Anthony2816]

No, actually that was the first thing I tried. I read through the two pages of posts that were returned, and none of them provided the definition....just discussions by people who already knew what it was.

Sorry for bothering you. Guess I'll try a different forum.

[videobruce]

I guess you pissed him off..............

[tompika]

Just in case you've never used GOOGLE:
http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/bitsettings.html
http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/bitsettings_pc.html

[Vanderlow]

So in reading the information, if Nero lets you change the project to DVD-ROM book type does that mean the safest thing to do is do so...it will increase its chances of compatiblity?

Does bitsetter work on most burners?

[tompika]

Does bitsetter work on most burners?

No.
Read again...

[Anthony2816]

I guess you pissed him off..............

Not really pissed off, but surprised. When I saw the title "DVDRhelp.com Forums", I mistakenly thought it meant the forum was for help with recordable DVD issues.

But fortunately once my error was pointed out by tompika, the very next place I tried was dvdplusrw.org, and I found the answer right away there.

[tompika]

I mistakenly thought it meant the forum was for help with recordable DVD issues.

Once people spend one hour searching (forum and google) for the answer and get to know the basics, anybody is willing to help here.
(read the forum rules about searching)

But fortunately once my error was pointed out by tompika, the very next place I tried was dvdplusrw.org, and I found the answer right away there.

As I gave you the link, right?

Just in case you've never used GOOGLE:
http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/bitsettings.html
http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/bitsettings_pc.html

[Gil T Pleasure]

This question seems to be asked a lot. Heck, I just answered one just the other day. Maybe the mods can make this a sticky.

If you believe this thread, we'll see more questions like this pop up.

[Vanderlow]

Ok let me see if I got this down.

There's a flag on a DVDr that tells the player what it is (i.e. +r,+rw,-r,and -rw). This is most commonly referred to as "book type".

Store bought movies and applications will most likely (if not definitely) have a flag or book type of "DVD-ROM".

Every player should be able to play a genuine DVD-ROM.

With bitsetting you can change a +R or +RW DVDr's flag (or book type) to read DVD-ROM IF your burner is capable of changing the bitsetting. Its kind of like fooling a DVD player into thinking its reading a "store bought movie" and its really a +r or +rw DVDr (when its bitsetting or flag has been changed to book type DVD-ROM).

If you use good quality DVDr plus media (with good reflectivity) there's no reason it shouldn't look identical or almost identcal physically to a DVD-ROM disk assuming you have changed its flag (or bitsetting) to read DVD-ROM.

Changing the book type to DVD-ROM should increase the compatibility of the DVDr and would be esp. useful for: older players, +rw media and mass distribution to friends (of varying makes of players) of non-copyrighted material.

Currently only a select few brands have the capability of changing the bitsetting: Ricohs, rebadged Ricohs, burners based on Ricoh chipsets, some HP burners, NEC 1100 (with hacked firmware), Nu Tech 081 and maybe BenQs. There are some burners that burn +r and book type them as DVD-ROM by default - some Phillips burners do this, and maybe the HP300i.

You'll most likely need a utility like DVDInfoPro to change the bitsetting or a manf. utility program and Nero can also do it - if you're burner is capable of changing the bitsetting.

So have I got it right this time?

[Anthony2816]

Sounds like a good summary. That's just the sort of answer I was looking for with my first post. Someone should just erase all the posts in between!

[Anthony2816]

Once people spend one hour searching (forum and google) for the answer and get to know the basics, anybody is willing to help here.

Gee, the first thing I did was search google. It led me here. I then searched the forums, using *exactly* the search you later suggested, and got two pages of posts that didn't answer my question. THEN I took the liberty of posting a question, and I even clearly labeled it as a "newbie" question. If answering such questions is beneath you, why did you even bother responding to the thread??? Obviously not *anybody* is willing to help. You spent more time calling me lazy and directing me elsewhere than simply answering the question.

As I gave you the link, right?

No, I found the link on google before you got around to giving it to me. Right after you called me "lazy" for asking the question on this forum. It's a pity I followed the google link here before I followed the one to dvdplusrw.org, but like I said, when I saw the title "DVDRhelp.com Forums", I thought it meant the forum was for help with recordable DVD issues.

[tompika]

As you wish sweetheart.

So what is bitsetting:
Click www.dvdplusrw.org You can find the answer there.

End of story. Have a good day.

[IvIark]

THEN I took the liberty of posting a question, and I even clearly labeled it as a "newbie" question

I agree with you entirely and think you posted a completely valid query in an appropriate forum. I'm sure that tompika has never asked a question that could be answered elsewhere by performing a Google search and hunting around, but it does make you wonder what the point of these forums is if that is what members are supposed to do.

[tompika]

99% because I know how to search. Noobs don't know how to search,...

Unless it's about the latest 3rd party DVDR firmware update, everything has been answered and guided to death. Probably only the Linux forum has valid new questions on it. These are the same people that searched *.avi on Gnuttella and didn't understand why they didn't find waht they were looking for.

Learn how to use a Search engine. Specific Keywords are your friend!!!

Don't expect a free lunch -- when you have to PAY for membership to this forum, THEN you can EXPECT someone to help you. Until then, it's a matter of simply one person donating their time to another. Be happy with being able to get what you can (as you are getting a free lunch) but don't be "offended" if nobody helps you (especially for comments from up this thread applies)

If you want someone to help you then first help yourself -- we are not mindreaders and we are not sitting next to you. Thus, unless you frame your question clearly and actually have an understanding of what you are trying to do, we can't really help you. What annoys us "high horse riders" is when someone is obviously too lazy to even try to work out the answer for themselves and then expect someone to help them with an answer on a silver platter (and then posts crap on why nobody helps "newbies").

Plenty of "newbies" get help here and there is a general pattern. If you post your question in a meaningful way, try to learn about what you are actually trying to do, and then try out the suggestions (rather than sit back with an attitude "it's too hard -- give me an easier magical solution), you will almost always get the answer you want.

Frankly it pisses me off when people keep insinuating that this forum is "elistist" and not "newbie friendly". The VCDHelp / DVDRHelp forum was founded by "newbies" and continues to be extremely newbie friendly. There are over 200 new threads (mostly by newbies) posted each day and most of them are answered.

However, as before. It doesn't matter if you are a newbie or not. You must first "help yourself". What some (luckily only the occasional few) newbies seem to expect is that there are somehow magically solutions to their problems and then get shitty when basically there isn't. You have to walk before you can run and this is a fairly technical site. If you can't even understand some of the basic concepts we talk about here, it is very very difficult to fix some problems.

Most of the opinions on this thread is to HELP newbies get the MOST out of this site. This involves searching the forums and reading guides. For example, you aren't going to get much use out of a tutorial with your lecturer (for example) if you haven't bothered to do some basic reading around the topic first. There is nothing different here.

Regards.

[IvIark]

That's great, but we're not talking about a widely publicised topic like encoding a VCD, so why even bother with a Newbies section if they aren't going to be given some dispensation? The whole point is that you’ve wasted more bandwidth by giving your excuses why not to answer the question than if you’d just simply answered the question. If the questions are beneath you then just don’t answer them and leave it to more understanding members.